When are the Thoroughbred's coming out?

[Maximus Nickus]

At the moment I have a PC (see sig) with no chip, I'm waiting forthe reported .13Micron 2200+ to come out as I want to be able to hit 2Ghz (which this chip will do easily) and they are also SOCKET A.

When are they coming out???

I've heard reports that its slipped back from Feb to Q3 of 2002. I don't want to wait that long for a PC!!! Bearing in mind that whilst its sitting there my 8500 is going out of date.

I wanted the best PC and I just want to know when they are arriving, if they come to lait I might as well get a chip now....


Thanks:beer:

[MadMan007]

I saw an AMD roadmap recently that said Q2 '02. No more specific than that, so it could be March, could be May. Besides, you don't want to get the *frist* steppings of the new .13 process, do you? ;)

[David]

The latest and greatest bleeding edge kit isn't always the best. I'm waiting till a few months after thoroughbred, when the older ones will slip in price.

[Maximus Nickus]

I want a CPU sometime!!!

[ken257]

Why not get the cheapest Duron you can get your hands on maybe even used, check the classifieds. This will get you system up and running for beans and buy time untill the next steppings are out.

[OC-Master]

After doing many hours of research on AMD's near future raodmap, I now have an updated list of possible release dates.

As for XP2200, the first batch will be based on the Palomino, and yes, it will also be a T-bred but I'll talk about that in a sec,

OK, the XP2200 (1.8GHz) and Duron 1.4GHz will both hit store shelves first week in March. Then, about three weeks later, AMD will release the XP2400 which is ALSO a Palomino processor.

The Throughbred processors will come in 4 flavours being XP2000, XP2200, XP2400 and XP2500. The XP2500 will be the big step up since this is where AMD will introduce 333FSB.

XP2500 will come in both 266/333 fsb speeds, and this will infact be the last 266FSB Athlon processor.

When the XP2200 is released (March), the Duron 1.4GHz will also be anounced.

XP2400 (1.93GHz) and Duron 1.5GHz will finish up in April.

Duron fans will like that AMD will finally give the Duron a 266FSB when the XP2500 comes out. This 266FSB Duron will run @ 1.53GHz and 1.60GHz at initial clock speeds.

1.6/1.53 Durons are Appaloosa processors that are built on .13 micron technology.;)

So by May, AMD will have a 2GHz AthlonXP T-bred and a 1.6GHz Duron Appaloosa. This is the icing on the cake folks.:beer:

Finally, regarding the L1 cache issue, AMD could now possibly intergrate 512KB cache into its AthlonXP processors with 1.67GHz and higher based on T-bred core. If the Athlon steps up to 512KB L2 then the Duron Appaloosa will Definatly be bumped up to 256KB L2.

Hope this helps clear things up!

AXIA

[HiProfile]

With .13 micron tech and 512kb L2, the T-breds will have no problem POUNCING the newer P4 cores...the extra cache was all that made the 2.2g P4 competitiv with the XP1800-XP2000 in most tests...

[DOCTOR EVIL]

Will we get an XP 2100+ running @ 1700MHz from AMD in early February AXIA or will they skip the 2100+ number and do a 2200+ instead.:confused:

[OC-Master]

Ever since the gap that Intel made being 200MHz jump with the newer Northwood processors, the chances of seeing an XP2100 will be rare. AMD will need to jump 133MHz everytime Intel jumps 200MHz.

being the XP2200 @ 1.8GHz

Then the XP2400 @ 1.93GHz as Intel jumped 200MHz.

There is no real need for an XP2100 other than just a mild jump in performance. In marketing, releasing an XP2100 would be pointless since Intel will never release a 2.1GHz Pentium4.

The XP2500+ will change the picture a bit seeing as Intel will have a Pentium4 2533MHz 533FSB processor. AMD will jump only 66MHz from 1933 to 2GHz. AMD with its 333FSB and 2GHz of MegaHurtz power will prove that even a 533MHz lead, AMD will still come out on top.

I also just recalled that last week, I read somewhere that the 266FSB 2GHz AthlonXP will be XP2500 and the 333FSB 2GHz AthlonXP would be XP2500+, weird but this could easily work!


I'm all out of steam for now,

hope this helped,


AXIA

:cool:

[MadMan007]

1) Everywhere I have seen says that T-Bred will be a die-shrink XP only-no extra cache yet. That may come with the switch to .13+SOI fabrication.

2) Where are you all seeing this stuff about 333MHz FSB official? I mean sure, a lot of boards with it are coming out, and to us OC'ers it doesn't matter anyway ;) but AFAIK the T-Bred will continue to be 266MHz for a while. So, where did you see that 333MHz FSB is official?

[DOCTOR EVIL]

Yes it makes perfect sence! Thanx AXIA!:)

[AtomicGuY]

About the (XP2200) 1.80GHz and (XP2400) 1.93GHz AthlonXP processors.

I heard that AMD will rework the core just a little like they did with the T-bird's with the AYHJA stepping. Those Athlon 1.4s where quite a bit more stable than the 1.33 AXIA Athlons were.

Even with 1GHz, AMD had.. I think AYHA stepping which bearly hit 1250MHz with like 1.9V then AMD reworked the core with AXIA then boom, 1.4GHz was being achieved with mild voltage uppings.

Heck, I had a 1GHz processor that did 1.60GHz with 1.85V, now that was an unbelievable stable processor. That was an AXIAR Y01.

But, I would love to see AMD with a 1.93GHz AthlonXP with .18micron technology and see this thing run 100% stable. If AMD can posess such a processor, look out Intel.

I could only imagine 3GHz from Barton just 15 months down the road.

And because of the reworking, thats why I think there wont be any new processors from AMD in February. I also think, AMD will rework the 1.4 and 1.5 durons too!:beer:

[AtomicGuY]

MadMan007,

i dont know about official but I heard about AMD demostrating a 333FSB AthlonXP with a 2GHz Internal Clock Speed. They were also hyping about DDR333.

I know there will be 333FSB Athlons, I just dont know when. I also heard they will have a D in the processor serial line instead of C meaning for D of course 333. And of course, the KT333 clearly points out that VIA is ready for 333FSB Athlons.

[OC-Master]

As far as I know, 2000MHz will be the last 266FSB AthlonXP Processor. There is several reasons that lead to my conclusion.

First, the AthlonXP architexture only official goes up to 15X Multiplier inside, aside from that secret 17X multiplier that which is turned on when you set the multiplier to 6X I think. Its kinda like the K6-2's 400MHz and higher where when you set the multiplier to 2X, the processor had a internal feature that remapped the setting to 6X.

C Step = 15 X 133.33 = 2000MHz (2GHz)

D Step = 12 X 166.66 = 2000MHz (2GHz)

So with the XP2500, if you set the multiplier to 6X, you should get 17X which would give you 2266MHz. Thats a fair overclock for AMD's finally 266 Athlon processor. Not to worry if you think your board will be outdated, I heard that the Duron will keep 266FSB once it gets it for a long time, were talking 2.5GHz+. This is because AMD will use higher multipliers with the Duron like 20X and so forth.

p.s
AMD has a working prototype of an Athlon @ 2GHz with a 333FSB.

[OC-Master]

EDIT!

http://www.theinquirer.net/20010201.htm talks about AMD with a possible 266FSB XP2600+ 2066MHz AthlonXP T-bred. This should be interesting! Hmm, a 15.5X Multiplier, is it possible? And there saying now that Throughbred WILL NOT come with 512KB L2 Cache but rather the good old 256KB L2 Cache.

[OC-Master]

This is what leads me to believe there is no XP2100+ processor. But I could and this could be wrong, only time will tell.

http://www.theinquirer.net/20010203.htm

[AntiHeiss]

Originally posted by AXIA

p.s
AMD has a working prototype of an Athlon @ 2GHz with a 333FSB.

They have a LOT more than that. I am not going to comment on official release dates. Mostly because I don't know the definate release date. But I have a good idea. And as far as AXIAs quote. Trust me bro, AMD has working prototypes of a hell of a lot more than that. "AMD" is working on things for release around 2004-2005 (the years). The T-bred architecture was finalized a while back. As are all the CPUs marked for release soon. They are just simply producing them and hyping it up. The T-breds are simply new to the consumer market.

[Maximus Nickus]

Ok i'm confused:rolleyes:

When will the .13Micron CPU come out with 512KB cache thats 266FSB?

Hey if a 333FSB comes out my 266Board will run it! (Overclock:D )

Cheers and thanks for the response.

Oh and I have a CPU (1Ghz) but I don't use it as as soon as I get the new one I would have to reload everyting!

[Maximus Nickus]

Ok i've studied this thread and now I understand it so my last post is irrelevant.

What I want to know is is it worth waiting for the 1.97Ghz 2400+ or just get the 1.8Ghz 2200+?

I'm thinking as its .13 Micron core the 2200+ and 2400+ will both overclock to around the same speeds @ 1.85V (Default is 1.65V I pressume) so any ideas?

Also what sort of price will they be? ( I have £250 ) and last but not least how much heat will these babies put out???


Thanks a lot AXIA for your help, If it wasn't for you I'd have a 1900+:D


Nick

[OC-Master]

Nick,

If I was you, I would bite my lip and hold on with that 1GHz CPU till the XP2500 comes out. This processor will give you official:D I mean official braggin rights for 2GHz, and @ 2GHz with a T-bred, you will easily hit 2.3Ghz or more overclocked.

Another nice feature about Throughbred's that almost everyone forgets to mention including me is that they put out 40% less heat than Palominos. The reason for this is because not just the .13micron process, but because AMD has reached its maximum smallest possible die point. With .13 Microns, the processor core will have empty spaces inside which means AMD can fill that up with more L2 cache! (EDIT: Unfortuneatly, it appears there is no chance of 512KB been seen in the T-bred architexture. But expect 512KB L2 in the Barton for it will definatly have an increased amount of L2.)

.13Micron Throughbreds have enough room to hold a 1024KB L2 cache. The price is the only reason I see AMD for not doing this.

Further in technical stuff, the reason for this smallest possible die point is due to the fact that the Athlon is built on the Socket A architexture which means that the pins take more space than the core which means that no more connections to the core can be made. From this, we get extra blank space in that core, space that could be filled with lots of L2 full speed cache.

Whether Intel fans know it or not, AMD has a much much brighter futher which is easily proven since there cores are alot smaller and produce simular amounts of heat.

The XP2500 will be a must have processor for any AMD based system. Go for the XP2500, and nothing less!


AXIA

[OC-Master]

One last thing.....

It aint all that bad that AMD once again sticks it out with 256KB of L2 cache. That just means that the processor will run a WHOLE lot cooler when compared to 512KB Pentium4s.

-This is because all that extra space that could be used for more L2, but is used (By AMD anyway with T-bred) with Heatspreader which fills all that empty space. This helps transfer heat faster from the already tiny core.

So the T-bred will overclock even better if its stuck with 256KB, see, its not that bad after all!:beer:


AXIA

[Angry]

*Shakes head*

Man, thats a heck of a lot of information to digest...

Im starting to wonder if chips are coming to fast...
Eitherway, intel is going to have a run for thier money.

[Maximus Nickus]

Ok I will! 2Ghz eh? When will it be out?

Sounds real good, but is it Socket A and 266FSB?

If its not then I doubt i'll be able to overclock it much if at all!!!

I assume it will work with my 8KHA+?


Thanks a lot for your help!

Nick


Have a :beer: You deserve it.

[MadMan007]

If you read the enquirer link, AMD is pretty adament about keeping socket A for quite a while. Since the T-bred is a simple die-shrink and tweak of the XP, it should be a simple plug-in and probably BIOS update for current mobo's.

Even Barton should be socket A (I am guessing here though), again with BIOS updates for mobo's to support it. Of course, it would also likely be 333MHz FSB (or else the multipliers would be crazy) so that part of mobo compatibility depends on your specific motherboard.

As far as I can tell, the next platform change will be the hammer series since they have an on-die memory controller, but they won't be oriented toward the desktop for a while and will probably be really expensive too.

[ThePunkGeek]

i feel your pain man i was without my comp for a month waiting for them the ship me my new board (fried old one)

[OC-Master]

If your motherboard supports the AthlonXP either through a bios update or straight from the box and also can handle 1.60V CPU Core Voltage then YES, it will work!

As for when a 2GHz AthlonXP arrives, I'd expect it May. AND EXPECT ALOT OF HYPE FROM AMD!

XP2200 = March = 1800MHz

XP2400 = April = 1933MHz

XP2500 = May = 2000MHz

If you really dont want to wait then dont bother, the XP2200 will be a very nice addition to your machine. But just think of the overclocking potential with a 15X Multiplier. Even bumping the FSB Just 10MHz would result in an extra 145MHz.

p.s - I really hope AMD wakes up and scraps the XP2200/XP2400 Palomino processors and instead make only T-bred versions!


AXIA

[Maximus Nickus]

When I get that 2Ghz Chip I would really like a very high FSB, a minimum of 150, at least 170 which would result in a CPU speed of 2.5Ghz, I usually get a 30% overclock minimum with a .10V+ voltage increment so do you reckon I could get over 2.5Ghz with a .20V+ increment?

I don't have H20 but my air cooling is on the limit (80CFM Delta on the way!!!)

[OC-Master]

500MHz out of the Throughbred might be pushing it. I'd say, with air cooling and 1.85V, 2.4GHz will be achived without any complications! ;) 400MHz is more justafiable.


AXIA

[FerrariF50]

Originally posted by ken257
Why not get the cheapest Duron you can get your hands on maybe even used, check the classifieds. This will get you system up and running for beans and buy time untill the next steppings are out.

yeah I agree... I mean I seen like a 800Mhz Duron for $36+ Shipping at Newegg..

[Maximus Nickus]

Originally posted by FerrariF50


yeah I agree... I mean I seen like a 800Mhz Duron for $36+ Shipping at Newegg..


I already answered this, read more carefully in the future.

But all the same thanks for the reply.

[Maximus Nickus]

Originally posted by AXIA
500MHz out of the Throughbred might be pushing it. I'd say, with air cooling and 1.85V, 2.4GHz will be achived without any complications! ;) 400MHz is more justafiable.


AXIA


So with luck I could hit 2.5Ghz!!

If I can't then a Voltmod to 2V should do the trick!!!


Thanks for the great amount of responses!:beer:

Nick

[f155mph]

Nick,

I feel your pain man. I am almost at the point of getting an *ntel northwood, since they o/c so well. But after reading the post I think I am going to hold off and get a real cheap board and cpu for now. I got a water system running as of right now with no cpu or board. It killing me, it my first h2o system and I want to see how well I do. Anyways I wouldn't get the 8hka+ yet. The 8hka2 is coming out soon, I think it got raid on it. They are also working on DDR333 board. So what is a good cheap board and cpu to get? I still want a Tbird.:burn:

[Maximus Nickus]

I would get the 8KHA+, the 8KHA2's only difference is onboard RAID and a different voltage regulator which could mean 2V in the BIOS! (Last bit is just a rumour)

To be honest as its quite cheap I would just get the 8KHA+ and say a cheap Duron which you can muck about with!

www.ebuyer.com are VERY cheap for CPU's so I would take a look there for a CPU, if you want to wait for the 8KHA2 then there quite cheap for boards to but the cheapest board isn't that less than the 8KHA+.

Fortunately for me:D I decided to put my 1Ghz chip in my rig till I get the 2Ghz T-Bred, and thanks to the 8KHA+ i'm currently at 166FSB (NIC, Modem and SBLive! all fine) and my 1Ghz chip is at 1.33Ghz, with this I got 8250 3DMark's (3DMark 2001) even with the 8500 not overclocked!!!

I would really recommend the 8KHA+ to you, if you decide to go that way then please don't hesitate on asking for advice or so on!!


Good Luck,

Nick