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geoffchad
04-08-09, 12:31 AM
Looking to put together a setup:

i7
4870x2 (possibly two in crossfire)
Gigabyte x58

For low speed fans, which do people think would work better? The XSPC480 or the Feser 480? I was going to order the Feser, but not a lot of places have it in stock. I know XSPC's are known for slower fans, and the RX480 is similar in thickness/fan count to the Feser.

And I was thinking of getting the curved blade yate loons and then using a sunbeam controller on them. Cheers!
Conumdrum
04-08-09, 12:44 AM
Either 480 rad is equal in my book.

You put a 4870x2 and an i7 in one loop your fine I think. CPU temps will take a tiny hit over a 360 for the CPU only, but okay.

Adding a second 4870 x2 into the same loop. No way. Need two seperate pump/rad/res loops. It sucks, the new CPU and GPU's make so much heat the rads can't keep up.
Spawn-Inc
04-08-09, 07:51 PM
as said above they are pretty much the same in performance so might go with the xspc for the cheaper price.
Scryer_360
04-08-09, 08:24 PM
Looking to put together a setup:

i7
4870x2 (possibly two in crossfire)
Gigabyte x58

For low speed fans, which do people think would work better? The XSPC480 or the Feser 480? I was going to order the Feser, but not a lot of places have it in stock. I know XSPC's are known for slower fans, and the RX480 is similar in thickness/fan count to the Feser.

And I was thinking of getting the curved blade yate loons and then using a sunbeam controller on them. Cheers!

As much as I hate to agree with him, Conundrum is right. The thermal envelope for a 4870X2 is 270 watts, so two of them equals 540 watts to dissipate. Add in an overclock of a (lets say) 920, which at four gigahertz can push 217 watts, and you need to be dissipating 767 watts on that one rad.

Martin's Liquid lab shows that if you stick 4 1500 rpm fans on that, it won't be enough (on the TFC). 4 2000 rpm fans would do it, but only with average temperatures. So for best temps, two triple slot sized rads would be a better bet, one for the cpu, one for the GPU loop. To realistically keep both your 4870x2's cool though, I mean really cool, you'd need the 480 by itself (assuming you go for low noise), with the Feser being the better option for low noise, the XSPC for something running faster fans. A triple rad for the cpu loop.

And you can look at it this way: with 32nm chips around the corner, the years of 130w thermal envelopes are slowly winding down. I don't expect a performance chip to hit 90 watts anytime soon, but if you go with the 480 and a triple slot sized rad now, you are probably set for as long as the rads last.
geoffchad
04-09-09, 12:12 AM
I figure I'll start with one 480 rad at the moment and work up as needed, though I'm pretty well aware that two 4870x2 cards would heat soak it. I'm not mounting the 480 in the case, so there's plenty of room for expansion. Also, I'm either going to get the yate loon medium speed or high speed fans - I know they undervolt really well, and I think I can get the highs down low enough to be quiet and still have breathing room up top. I also have room at the top of the case for a radiator under the 200mm Fan, though I cant use the Antec made one as it is Aluminum. Thermochill makes a "160" but its not really available in the US. It'll be an experiment either way.

Speaking of, a coworker was playing with a peltier in a lab at work today and suggested I look at adding one to my upcoming computer. Now that would mean some serious heat control (a 480 and a 360 I'd imagine...)
voigts
04-09-09, 08:16 AM
I personally would buy the XSPC RX instead of the Feser given that the two perform on par with one another.
RedRaider
04-09-09, 03:50 PM
I wouldn't buy either of those radiators....


With 60 days you will see the ThermoChill 120.4 hit the market...
dealmaster
04-09-09, 05:17 PM
I wouldn't buy either of those radiators....


With 60 days you will see the ThermoChill 120.4 hit the market...

Yes, we all know how you feel about Thermochill being the best no matter what and that all other radiators are no good by comparison.

The XSPC is a great radiator, and although they had some QC control issues at the beginning, they appear to have sorted them out. These radiators perform at levels equal to or better than Thermochills, so I'd recommend them.
Conumdrum
04-09-09, 06:12 PM
Ohh RR is back! Anyway, there is chatter about the new PA rads. We are hoping they push the envelope like they did before. Just have to wait and see. Thinking how hard it will be to get one of those rads and at what cost?

Ohh would someone post a link to his site? I had been to it after he was removed from XS. Just wanna see what he's up to.
Spawn-Inc
04-10-09, 10:12 PM
get high speed yates at 5v you don't hear them, i have 12 of then running right next to me and my D4 is much louder then them.
zinsco
06-22-10, 12:35 PM
The guy at performance pc told me that they are the same rad. They have the same core made from the same factory.
Conumdrum
06-22-10, 12:47 PM
The guy at performance pc told me that they are the same rad. They have the same core made from the same factory.

Possible. Please send supporting facts from the guy who said so.

Edit:

Looking at this trusted review, if they are the same there is too much difference in temps and flow rates to be the same. Tops are different too. Cores for the 360 sized rads are different FPI, not sure about the FPI on the 480s and no time to look it up now.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=250927

Feser isn't know as the best company, they pulled some shenaigans in the past.
Spawn-Inc
06-22-10, 06:37 PM
The guy at performance pc told me that they are the same rad. They have the same core made from the same factory.

i doubt it, the fpi is different on them, maybe the same company makes them but i doubt that too as i think feser make there own rads. not sure about XSPC.
zinsco
06-22-10, 07:26 PM
Possible. Please send supporting facts from the guy who said so.


Don't have any supporting facts. I asked at Frozen CPU, since they are the only distributer for feser in the USA, (Performance PC gets there Feser stuff from Frozen CPU) and they said NO WAY. One is made in Germany and I think he said the other in Japan. The guy at Performance PC said, one was German and the other Japan (or one of those countries, I keep forgetting), but that they got the core from the same place. I don't know. How can you know who to believe. You guys are probably right and this guy at Performance is probably lacking brain cells.