Water Cooling Setup

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I am thinking of getting

Rad:XSPC RX360 Triple 120mm Radiator (with 1/2 ID compression fittings)

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/85..._Radiator.html


Pump: Swiftech MCP655 12 VDC Pump Liquid Cooling System (thinking of getting same nozzles as Rad: 1/2 ID compression fittings)
http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcin12pu.html


Motherboard cooler (northbridge): CHC-125 (MB) [no nozzles]

http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...product_id=663



GPU cooler: VID-487 (Radeon HD 4870) [no nozzles]

http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...product_id=706



CPU cooler block:CPU-350AC (CPU), Acrylic [no nozzles]

http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...product_id=755


Nozzles: Nozzle Pair, G 1/4" Barb [For ID: 13mm (1/2")]

http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...product_id=469



2X Nozzle Pair, G 1/4" Compression [For ID: 13mm (1/2")

http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...product_id=399

10 feet of tubing


However before i get all this, i want to know where i should put it in my Thermaltake Armor+MX. Also, if i have to mount the rad externally will my pump be able to take it??

[Conumdrum]

Let me ask this first. Since you waiting for a reply, your online. This is your 2nd remake of a thread?

What are you cooling?
CPU?
GPU?
Mobo?
Expected room temps in summer?
Are you looking for quiet or no problem with loud fans?
We need these answered.
Make a SIG like many of us have. Take the time so we can get this over with.

The pump you chose has fixed 1/2ID barbs, just fine. Good pump.
Specifics input:
The block you chose is a winner. It needs high flow and pressure, your pump is fine. All that in the loop for that pump is bad. Get a better flowing CPU block that is very very close to the same CPU temps. Just get the GTZ block.

If your running a i7 and planning to overclock or running a mild overclock on a Q6600 your raddage will be way diff. Or you expect 30C room temps.

WE NEED MORE INFO.

PLEASE spend more than 10 days shopping. Please spend 30 days reading.

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I was asking where i should put things in my case, but no matter.

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 3.16GHz LGA 775

GPU: Sapphire HD 4870

Motherboard: P5Q Pro

Fans: THe quiter the better and i mind very loud fans.

[Spawn-Inc]

i agree with Conumdrum, no need for mutli threads on the same thing.

as for the pump yes it will handle external setups with ease.
my setup with same pump and external rads (http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4224/img0206g.jpg)

[ad05]

Do you really need that many rads for just cooling the cpu and Graphics card??

So i should do the same as u but instead just but the rad on the top??

[Spawn-Inc]

no, my setup is complete overkill. but i like it that way.

i was just showing you that i have 2 of those pumps you want and it handles both setups just fine. it can do alot more.

mount it how ever you want, most people hang it off the back.

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KK, so i can still add another rad if i get another graphics card, but i dont need to get a new pump correct??

[Spawn-Inc]

no the pump will be fine.

[ad05]

Spawn inc, even though you recommended other fans, do you think i can use six of these fans for my push/pull rad set up.

I was thinking of getting six of these fans because they are really quiet 14 DBA, and have a CFM of 72. http://www.silenx.com/ixtremaproledfans.asp?sku=ixp-74-14l

[Spawn-Inc]

i don't think they are going to be as quiet as 14db, but you can use them ya. i've never heard of those so use at your own risk.

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Okay, so i wont use them, but i will use a speed controller on my rad fans. I was thinking about the Sunbeam.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811995017


I was also thinking about getting a L-Bracket with Dual G 1/4 Socket Fittings because i dont have water cooling hole in my case.

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=593

(with 2 pairs of 1/2 ID compression fittings)

[jr1]

i've heard of them but that's all
i was consitering them myselve but theyr a tad to pricy here
they are priced about the same as the 144cfm fans from pabst around here

[Conumdrum]

That fan controller is fine. That PCI hole bracket is junk. It's only 1/4 hose size, very very restrictive. Have you picked hose yet? If not you might want to learn about hose diameters before buying something like that.

You'll most likely HAVE to cut holes, even an empty PCI slot opening isn't big enough for the hose you need.

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Okay so I am going to order all these things as soon as i can. Please reply if i have left out anything essential in this water cooling setup.
Also is there a site that has all this or do i have to order all the parts from these different places??

Tubing: Tygon R-3603 1/2" ID 5/8" OD Chemical Tubing

http://www.jab-tech.com/Tygon-R-3603...g-pr-3873.html

Resservoir: Danger Den Clear 5.25 Dual Bay Reservoir

http://www.petrastechshop.com/dadendu51bay.html

Rad:XSPC RX360 Triple 120mm Radiator

http://www.petrastechshop.com/xsrxtr12ra.html


Pump: Swiftech MCP655 12 VDC Pump Liquid Cooling System

http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcin12pu.html


Motherboard cooler (northbridge): CHC 122 (MB) [no nozzles]

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=662



GPU cooler: VID-487 (Radeon HD 4870) [no nozzles]

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=706



CPU cooler block:Swiftech Apogee GTZ Water Block

http://www.petrastechshop.com/swapgtzcpuwa.html


Nozzles: Nozzle Pair, G 1/4" Barb [For ID: 13mm (1/2")]


http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=469


5X Nozzle Pair, G 1/4" Compression [For ID: 13mm (1/2")]

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=399


Thermal Paste: Arctic Cooling MX-2 Thermal Compound (30g)

http://www.petrastechshop.com/arcomxthco3.html



6x quiet fans (push/pull setup) (can someone check these out because they look a little fishy with there low sound Dba)

http://www.jab-tech.com/Noctua-NF-P12-1300-120mm-Fan-pr-4046.html


Fan Controller: 5.25" Sunbeam Rheobus Extreme Fan Speed Controller - Black

http://www.petrastechshop.com/5surhexfansp1.html

Also, should i get foam to mount the pump, because i heard that sometimes it can get loud and vibrate a lot.

Also any tips in mounting all this in a Thermaltake Armor + MX would be great (rad is going to be mounted externally)

I would also be great if someone would give me an approximate sound discharge from this unit. (pump is like 33 DBA)

[Conumdrum]

No one can say what the noise will be like. It will be less than it was before.

I wouldn't buy foam, just find some stuff if you need it, you might not.

[Spawn-Inc]

check out jabtech, petras or sidewinders computers for parts they should have all the stuff accept for the koolance stuff.

for me, both my mcp655's are silent. if you put your ear next to them you can hear slightly high pitched sound.

none of you koolance links work. how many compression fittings are you getting>?

i count 4 barbs that aren't included. video and motherboard.

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Kk i fixed the links. I will be using 5x compression fittins and one barb for the GPU cooling, CPU cooling (not sure if i need compression can you please check), and North Bridge cooling, pump, reservoiur, and rad. I also edited my last post to include the new ammount of compression fittings.

Also, when i was looking at the compression fittings i found a problem. If something says it supports 1/2" barbs, does that mean it supports 1/2" comression fittings becuase then i would change everything to compression fittings.

[Spawn-Inc]

the GTZ comes with barbs so you can just use those.

now that the links work i see you have the right amount of barbs.

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KK thanks,
Can you please look at the fans though, they look really fishy. So after that its all done then right??

I also edited my last post so can you please look at that question?? Please??

Also, what is a good thermal paste that i should use??

[Spawn-Inc]

If something says it supports 1/2" barbs, does that mean it supports 1/2" comression fittings becuase then i would change everything to compression fittings.
no, in order for compression fittings to work you have yo be able to change the barbs. the pump is the only part in your list that has 1/2" barbs that you cannot remove or do anything do. all the other parts have G1/4 threads and you can use any type of fitting you want, provided there is space. for example, my Dtek cpu block cannot have 2 compression fittings on it because they are to close and compression fittings are huge.

while i don't have any of those fans, they are good and known for there quietness. there a sure bet.

good thermal paste is Arctic cooling MX-2. the classic is Arctic Silver 5, but i found that MX-2 dropped my temps 2C when i switched them out.

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thank you for all your work that you did for my. This forum is realy great and respondes really fast.Im going to edit the thread my last post so that it includes the arctic cooling.

Also, i have one more question, should i use a colored coolant or not becuase i heard on the forums that they clog up your system. Could you please recommend me a colant??

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I was thinking about Fluid XP+ Ultra with z-7, but i did not know how much colant i should get to fill my whole system. Should i get the 32oz or the 64oz or even the one gallon (dont think ill need that)

http://fluidxp.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=79&category_id=23&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=64&vmcchk=1&Itemid=64

[Conumdrum]

What about a gallon of distilled water at Walgreens for $1 and a small bottle of Petras PHN Nuke shipped for under $10 that will last you at least 20 builds (only need 2 drops)?

Many experianced builders and lots of us regular builders use it. It's the most effective, safest, cheapest way to cool your loop and prevent funny things happening.

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I know i sound like a noob, but where do you find that type of distilled water on the internet. All i have come up with is http://www.amazon.com/NESTLE-WATERS-NO-AMERICA-100526/dp/B000PYG8CK/ref=sr_11_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1240871122&sr=11-1

I have also heard that using distilled water is non conductive but when gunk gets in there is is.

[Conumdrum]

All liquids become conductive. Believe me, I've seen enough ruined parts from distilled and the fancy marketed liquids.

What do you mean buy it on the internet? It's distilled water. Where do you live? UK has problems getting distilled. I live in a populated area, I drive to Walgreens and buy a gallon jug.

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Um okay thanks, Il get that coolant. However, another problem arouse with the motherboard cooling. I looked at my northbridge and i found out that the northbridge and the voltage regulator are connected by a heat pipe. Should i cool the voltage regulator?? Will my water cooling system be able to take the extra heat??

However, i do not like the idea of all this extra tubing so i want to go with a passive cooling solution. I was looking at the

http://www.petrastechshop.com/enmomohekit.html

If anyone knows how to install this or what i should get please tell me.

Also can you please tell me how much coolant i should use like in oz (i know i am using the disstiled water but i just want to know so i can tell my friend)

[Conumdrum]

Ohh problem. The heatpipes and the NB etc are all connected together. If you pull the assembly off, you have to figure out how to cool the mosfets. This is where need/ingenuity and experiance come into play. On my old mobo, I found some old air HS laying around that fit my mosfets used some old screws and nuts in my years old growing pile of stuff, bought some thermal tape and mounted them.

If you can even buy Mosfet WC HS for your mobo, your adding maybe $200 for two mosfet blocks and might be reducing your flow rate below a healthy level with so many blocks in a loop.

What about aftermarket air HS for the mosfets? They don't need active cooling. Look into Thermalright brand. They have a good web page and compatability lists.

[Spawn-Inc]

if your not overclocking alot then you can leave the northbridge out of the loop. i think you should since this is your first loop. one thing you can do that will most likely drop at least 5C off your northbridge is by simply changing the thermal paste.

use the MX-2 for paste.

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Um okay, so its not essential to cool the northbridge or is it not good for begginers??

However, if i do go with the northbridge i found a apporpiate mosfet cooler.





http://www.petrastechshop.com/thhrsmocot2s.html

Also, how much coolant should i get??(my freind wants to know, im using disstiled water, but how much do i need if i dont)

[Conumdrum]

Those HS should be fine. You'll need good thermal tape. Here is one example, but ou ot stock (OOS). And don't forget to clean the mosfets very well, most TIM non stick tape has oiliy stuff, and alcohol isn't enough to get them clean. Artic Clean is good stuff and pretty cheap. Most WC stores sell it.
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/akthadtaak80.html


You will use one gallon to rinse your parts (rad, res, hose, etc etc) And maybe less than 1/2 gallon to fill a loop. Always nice to have an extra gallon in the closet.

Don't forget the PHN-Nuke from Petras for your biocide.

[Spawn-Inc]

is your motherboard cooling also cooling the southbridge? if so you will need a heatsink for that aswell.

a gallon (sold as 4 litres in Canada) of distilled is $1, so i get 2 or 3 at a time.

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no, my motherboard only cools the northbridge and the voltage coolers together. The southbridge is seperate.

However, when i was checking the price, i realized my fans where $120 all together (six in all). Should i only go for a pull setup or do i need all the fans.

[Conumdrum]

LOL, I missed that. Boy you sure don't need that for fannage. It's nice fans and you'll get very good quiet cooling with those. Well, pretty quiet, every fan adds to the noise level.

You don't need those fans or that many. Your rad will do just fine with 3 Yate Loon Meduim fans, and you can turn them down to 8 volts or so when your not gaming.

I use Yate Loons and have for years. All of them are still spinning just fine, no odd noises.

Go to Petras and look at the price of 4 Yate Loon Mediums (package deal). I buy my Yates only from Petras for reasons, and someone for sure will chime in wy and mebbe even post the link of the tests.

Even the YL high's would be fine, they undervolt well.

No reason to spend that $$ on fans, glad you mentioned it.

[Spawn-Inc]

here is a link to the reasons why to get low and medium speeds from petras.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=596664


and i can tell you that the high speed yates undervolt well. i have 12 running at 5v and the are nice and quiet.

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Okay i will be getting this fan 3x. Becuase i do not see the point of gettting a pack of 4 fans when i only need to cool 3 slots.

http://www.petrastechshop.com/12yalod1cafa.html

[Conumdrum]

THE LOW SPEED IS NOT ENOUGH!!! The CFM and pressure rating of them is not enough for the rad.

You need meduims or highs.

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Is this the fan you were taking about

http://www.petrastechshop.com/12yalod1cafa1.html

[Conumdrum]

Yes. Like we had said above. We never mentioned low speed, only Med and High.

I use mediums, and a $20 fan controller to turn them down even more. Spawn uses HS and turns them down also.

Edit, only $13.
http://www.jab-tech.com/Sunbeam-5-1-4-Rheobus-Kit-BLACK-pr-2530.html

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kk thanks for all your help. I just have one more question. If i get a second HD 4870 video card, do i need to add another radiator. If so how big?

[Conumdrum]

Your getting close to flow rate problems adding a second GPU to the loop. The CPU/NB/GPUx2 and adding a second 220 sized rad might reduce your flow rate and your temps will suffer.

Best to make two seperate loops. Meaning two pumps, rads, reses etc.

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um thanks for the feed back.

However, i was just wondering how long a liquid cooling rig coulld stand without turning on. I'm sumtimes bussy and use my other computer or i go away, what the the max time i can go away without screwing up the WC setup??

[Conumdrum]

Ohh goodness, a week or more I'm sure as long as you got good liquid, I don't see why it couldn't sit forever really.

[Perseus]

However, i was just wondering how long a liquid cooling rig coulld stand without turning on. I'm sumtimes bussy and use my other computer or i go away, what the the max time i can go away without screwing up the WC setup??

That's actually a great question that frankly I've never seen before. I don't know, but I'd imagine perhaps a couple of months, and that depending on what sort of coolant you're using. Any sort of mix would likely start to separate which might cause problems.

[Spawn-Inc]

even if it does seperate the pump will just mix it back up :)

a good while i would think.

[Perseus]

even if it does seperate the pump will just mix it back up :)

Maybe, but there's a possibility that the separation could cause a fundemental change in the chemical nature of the coolant, especially if it was premix or some other concoction. To be in the safe side, if my baby was going to be unattended for an extended period, I'd set my BIOS to snap the computer on at a predefined time and then prep the OS to turn it off after a couple of hours every day.

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Your getting close to flow rate problems adding a second GPU to the loop. The CPU/NB/GPUx2 and adding a second 220 sized rad might reduce your flow rate and your temps will suffer.

What if i cut out the NB?? Also i heard that the my pump has huge amounts of power.

[Spawn-Inc]

you will be within specs of being able to handle it all with 1 pump, but you will be better off with a second pump. all it would take is an extra pump.

[ad05]

Um okay thanks.

I was not thinking of getting this but i was wondering if this radiator will handle all my needs (CPU, 2x GPU). Mabye for the future because of the price.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8224/ex-rad-141/Feser_Limited_Edition_Monsta_420360_Xchanger_Tripl e_140mm_Xtreme_Performance_Radiator.html

[Conumdrum]

Yea. It's crazy large, you'll have to make a shroud for it.

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After reading a lot and looking at reviews i begin to not like their products. So i decided i'd better switch my GPU water block.

I came up with this one

http://ekwaterblocks.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=292

is this better than the koolance one:

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=706


However, if i go with the ek water block i would like to know if i can still fit on these fittings on it (when i upgrade to crossfire)

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=434

[Conumdrum]

Yea, that block is fine and it has holes on both sides.

The Danger Den SLI fittings are just as good and cheaper. I'm using them this weekend to SLI my rig in sig.

The DD GPU block is pretty popular too.

[Spawn-Inc]

i was just going to say check out the DD sli fittings as well.

[Conumdrum]

Ohh, check out the Unobtainium fittings. I know you have the site linked already.















At 51 Posts I hope you realize it's a joke. We should be ready to order and build soon.

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Ya i know, im done asking questions. Thank you everyoen for all your help.