Fc Pga2

[macsout]

WHAT DOES FC- PGA2 MEAN........
is that 440bx compatible or not............???

[cyberey66]

The FCPGA2 is the new tualitan core chips. They are socket 370 and look exactly the same but the pin outs and voltages are different. The bx chipsets don't support them, only fairly recent ones do. Most chipsets that have either "T" or "A" after them mean it is a revision to support FCPGA2.

- Satan

[deez]

its very unlikely that your BX board supports FCPGA2 as those chips are new but you can get powerleap adapter if its a slot 1 board

[jazztrumpet216]

Wait, wait, wait. If you bought a chip in the FCPGA2 pin package, tell us what the speed is. I RMA'd a P3 1GHz not too long ago, and got a brand new one back with an IHS on it and the box said "FCPGA2". The 1GHz was clearly not a Tualatin processor as it works in my non-tualatin enabled Abit SA6-R. If it's not a Tualatin processor, you can just use a regular slotket on it without that Powerleap adapter.

[cyberey66]

Simple answer;

FCPGA2- new tualatin core celerons with 256k L2 cache
new tualatin core P3's with 512k cache

FCPGA- coppermine core celeron's with 128k cache
coppermine core P3's with 256k cache.

FCPGA2 don't not work with the BX chipset, but the FCPGA ones do. So just look for the core type, coppermines work with BX, but the tualatins don't.

-Satan

[jazztrumpet216]

Originally posted by satan
Simple answer;

FCPGA2- new tualatin core celerons with 256k L2 cache
new tualatin core P3's with 512k cache

FCPGA- coppermine core celeron's with 128k cache
coppermine core P3's with 256k cache.

FCPGA2 don't not work with the BX chipset, but the FCPGA ones do. So just look for the core type, coppermines work with BX, but the tualatins don't.

-Satan

That's not the simple answer at all. 90% of the time, that is the way it works. Refer to here (http://forums.overclockers.ws/vb/showthread.php?threadid=57144&highlight=IHS+Coppermine), other members have said the same thing I have. Just because it says FCPGA2 doesn't mean it is (I know that sounds weird). My box says FCPGA2 on it, the processor has an IHS, but it works in my SA6-R which means it is obviously NOT a Tualatin. I believe the proper term for this processor is the Coppermine-T. Please post the type of CPU you have so we can correctly identify it as a Coppermine or a Tualatin.

[Ebola]

Originally posted by macsout
WHAT DOES FC- PGA2 MEAN........
is that 440bx compatible or not............???

Flip Chip Pin Grid Array TWO???

[cyberey66]

I though fc-pga2 refered to the tualatin core p3\cel, well here's some stuff directly from intel

This processor is in the FC-PGA2 form factor with an Integrated Heat Spreader. - from s-SPEC info

"The Pentium® III processor-S with 512 KB cache is designed for server platforms only. Using this processor in a desktop motherboard will cause the processor to operate out of specification and void the limited 3-year warranty for the boxed processor. Therefore, when using this processor, make sure that the motherboard is supports processors based on .13µ process technology and 512 KB cache. These processor should not be used with motherboards based on the Intel 440BX, 810, 815, 820 and 840."

I can't find anything that specific on FC-PGA2 from intel, but from their s-SPEC charts all the FC-PGA2 chips run at 1.45 and 1.5 v and have .13 micron. http://support.intel.com/support/processors/sspec/icp.htm

to identify fc-pga2 (http://www.intel.com/support/processors/celeron/idyp.htm)

jazztrumpet, Doe's you celeron have the heatspreader?

-Satan

[jazztrumpet216]

The P3 does have a heat spreader, and the box says FCPGA2... I thought it was really weird and thought that they sent me the wrong thing for my RMA. But I plugged the thing into my mobo and it works. :confused: All I know is that it works in my SA6-R, has a default VCore of 1.75, and looks (and benches) like a Coppermine.

[cyberey66]

Originally posted by jazztrumpet216
The P3 does have a heat spreader, and the box says FCPGA2... I thought it was really weird and thought that they sent me the wrong thing for my RMA. But I plugged the thing into my mobo and it works. :confused: All I know is that it works in my SA6-R, has a default VCore of 1.75, and looks (and benches) like a Coppermine.

Wow, thanks some new info to me. Intel needs to update their datasheets, and s-SPEC charts. That's pretty cool though, now I'll have to search around for info.

[Ebola]

Originally posted by jazztrumpet216
The P3 does have a heat spreader, and the box says FCPGA2... I thought it was really weird and thought that they sent me the wrong thing for my RMA. But I plugged the thing into my mobo and it works. :confused: All I know is that it works in my SA6-R, has a default VCore of 1.75, and looks (and benches) like a Coppermine.

ok i heard this in another post. supposedly some of the newest coppermines have heatspreaders on them but they are still the .18 micron chips. also if the vcore is 1.75 its a good sign that its .18 micron since the tualatins run at a lower voltage.

[muddocktor]

I've also heard of the new P3 Cumines coming with a IHS on them from another forum. Also, late last month I d/l'ed the S-spec supplement from Intel's site and they showed 5 different Coppermine processors having the IHS on them. The supplement is in pdf format and the link to it is on the P3 support page on Intel's site. The S-spec numbers and speeds are:
SL5B3 - 1.0/133
SL5FQ - 1.0/133
SL5QJ - 1.0/133
SL4YV - 1.13/133
SL5QK - 1.13/133

Also, the SL5QJ and SL5QK are listed as dual signal sensing, will work at either 1.5 volts AGTL+ or 1.25 volts AGTL and are dual-capable only on the 1.25 v AGTL bus.

[cyberey66]

Originally posted by muddocktor
I've also heard of the new P3 Cumines coming with a IHS on them from another forum. Also, late last month I d/l'ed the S-spec supplement from Intel's site and they showed 2-4 stepping of Cumine processors having the IHS on them. The supplement is in pdf format and the link to it is on the P3 support page on Intel's site.

That could be because i was looking at the celeron charts. I'll check out the p3 ones.

-Satan

[jazztrumpet216]

Originally posted by muddocktor
I've also heard of the new P3 Cumines coming with a IHS on them from another forum. Also, late last month I d/l'ed the S-spec supplement from Intel's site and they showed 5 different Coppermine processors having the IHS on them. The supplement is in pdf format and the link to it is on the P3 support page on Intel's site. The S-spec numbers and speeds are:
SL5B3 - 1.0/133
SL5FQ - 1.0/133
SL5QJ - 1.0/133
SL4YV - 1.13/133
SL5QK - 1.13/133

Also, the SL5QJ and SL5QK are listed as dual signal sensing, will work at either 1.5 volts AGTL+ or 1.25 volts AGTL and are dual-capable only on the 1.25 v AGTL bus.

Yep, mine is the SL5FQ one. I knew it was obviously a Coppermine cause it worked in my mobo, but I didn't know about the whole Coppermine-T thing until recently.