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Trying to determine if it would be worth my while to upgrade my processor to a P3 1000. Any appreciable gains? Thoughts?
definitely...with proper cooling you can hit the 1300's with a P3 1000E
Did I do the math correctly? How high is your FSB set to hit 1309?!
It all depends on what you use the computer for and what apps you run. If the main thing you do is just surf the 'net, then you probably don't really need to upgrade yet. If you are a hardcore gamer, or a big multi-tasker, or use CPU intensive programs, then you might consider upgrading. The P-III 1000E would be a good choice. People have been able to overclock that CPU to least 1.2 gig up to 1.4 gig or even more in some rare situations (with exceptional cooling of course).
When I was telling a co-worker I was building a brand new P-4 Northwood system that would run more than twice as fast as my current P-III, he wanted to know why? He asked what would it do that my current setup couldn't do? I was kind of at a loss, because the truth was my current machine is quite adequate. Finally, I said that I wanted a faster machine for 3D gaming, to be able to brag and impress my friends, also for the sheer joy of building a new state of the art system, and finally, because I could afford it.
Wow...for a minute there, it felt like my mind had been read. Batboy....you hit it right on the head...I have no practical reason for upgrading other than the fun of upgrading or beginning another build project. I'd be willing to bet this forum is full of these types.
Thanks for the tip on the 1000E. Any thoughts on the 1100 (as compared to the 1000 - other than the obvious)?
Of course, lots of hardware geeks and speed freaks on this forum. I might add that some folk recommend getting the 133 FSB version of the P-III 1 gig (1000EB) because they can run very high FSB speeds with it for more bandwidth. But, in my opinion, you can also run into more instability problems at FSB speeds above 150 MHz. You might end up having to spend much more money on getting the best RAM available, better harddrives and cards that can handle insane PCI speeds, plus will probably have to do lots more cooling mods. The 1.1 gig is the same basic chip as the 1 gig except it has a different multiplier and a slightly higher price tag. I doubt it'll run any faster.
Originally posted by Rick G
Did I do the math correctly? How high is your FSB set to hit 1309?!
I'm running the 1100E not the 1000 and my FSB is currently at 119. Most people seem to be hitting in the 1300's stable with both chips. I got the 1100 with hopes of 133 FSB (1463Mhz) and I'm workin' on it. Its been done with air cooling
Thanks folks. I think if I make the move, I'd go with either cpu (upgrading my current config) but with a 100 Mhz bus. Makes sense to me...PCI and AGP oc problems can probably be avoided if I keep the FSB below the 158 mark where it becomes unstable now. Also, might be able to get the mem CAS/RAS back to 2-2-2.
You should really try to set back the ram to CAS2 timings.
Ram is very important in overclocking as people will trade a lower speed for high ram settings like CAS2.
Yodums
Deez raises an interesting point. Personally, I think if I was doing it, I'd choose the 10X multiplier over the 11X. My target FSB would be slightly above 133 to allow the 1/4 PCI dividers kick in, with a little extra margin for more bandwidth and to give the PCI and AGP bus a slight overclocking buzz without going overboard. I think the 1 gig P-III would (on average) have a greater percentage chance to do this than the 1.1 gig version. Remember, some CPUs overclock better than others and there are always exceptions. I'd be very disappointed if I bought a 1.1 gig CPU and fell short of of the magical 133 FSB mark. Rick and Yodum makes a good point about RAM timing. Running the RAM at CAS 2 at a moderate FSB speeds would at least equal benchmark performance compared to running the RAM at CAS 3 at a higher FSB speed.
My old rig was a 550E@825 and i was very happy with it.
Next..i upgraded my cpu with a 1000EB and o\ced @1162
completely stable...(max boot @1250 but unstable)
There is a big difference in performance between those two
cpu's and it's worth the upgrade.
I also believe that is faster than a 1000E@1250.
That's my opinion
Go for it.
batboy...well you know sometimes you just have to get the fastest/newest chip and see what you can do with it and thats also why I got the 1100
I have a feeling that tualatin cele 1.0 is in my near future tho'
Now it would be great if I could find either the 1 or 1.1 Ghz with the 100 bus. Can't find one out there anywhere. If anyone has a lead, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks.
Originally posted by Rick G
Now it would be great if I could find either the 1 or 1.1 Ghz with the 100 bus. Can't find one out there anywhere. If anyone has a lead, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks.
Try:
http://www.pricewatch.com/
http://www.newegg.com/
http://www.googlegear.com/
Your bound to find one.
Yodums, have already checked out those sites. Will have to keep my eyes peeled, but to-date everything I've found is in the 133Mhz flavor. Thanks anyway.
I wonder whats going because they should have a ton of them.
Yes it seems that the 1000E have been out of the market...dont know why. You can only find very few pieces of 1000E in slot1.
Contact "Ebola" he might be selling that chip (maybe wrong)
:D
Rick G, check the classifieds in a couple of days or send me a pm about the 1000E.
muddocktor
01-27-02, 08:29 AM
star-components.com is showing that they have the FCPGA 1000E procs in stock for $134 plus shipping. That is who I got my 1000E from a few months ago and didn't have any problems with them. You want to stay away from the slot1 1000E procs as they are all cC0 stepping and won't overclock much higher that 1150 mhz.
Thank you for the feedback everyone. Got one (from star-components.com)!...
Muddocktor...Thanks for the lead.
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