need pelt info..

[Dissolved]

im thinking of getting a pelt for my new 1900+, and i was wondering whats a good size? i dont want condensation, but i dont really need like -15 temps around 30c @ maxium load on a hot day is like what id want.. and where could u find a tut on how to spary your board and keep it from condenstaion? i looked on the main page, but couldnt find nething details enough..
thanks :)
also im thinking of seeing if Silversinksam could make me a silver plate i thought id make a silve cold plate if that would be better the copper... i got the Z4 water block, and it has a screwy hold down.. so the cold plate would have to be specialy made to fit my water block.

[Scottland]

if your only looking for temps of like 30C... standard water cooling should do the job just fine,

and you should ALWAYS insulate whenever you are using a pelt.. beacause it might only be 30C under load but it could get down to 5 C under idle... and that is big enough of difference from ambient for condensation.

if you really want to go hardcore... i would say go with something like a 172 watt pelt.. that should get temps REALLY cold with a good watercooling rig

something a little smaller would be like...156 watts...

BTW don't go too small your XP will thank you

my advice is ... unless you really want to go hardcore stay away from pelts... they are pains in the asses you need a power supply that can supply the amprage.. and you need to insulate everything.. its just too much work for the few extra mhz...

just my 2 cents :D

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Scottland

my advice is ... unless you really want to go hardcore stay away from pelts... they are pains in the asses you need a power supply that can supply the amprage.. and you need to insulate everything.. its just too much work for the few extra mhz...

just my 2 cents :D

yea, i was thinking of maybe a 156w. but would a 300w psu handle that pelt? i mean if the psu only powered the pelt?..

[Scottland]

maybe... you need to check the label of the power supply and see what the maximum amps it can handle is.. then check out what kinda amprage 156watt pelts draw..should be around 15 or 16

you really need a dedicated power supply i doubt that a pc power supply if going to get the job done... even if you only use it for the pelt.. maybe on of those 550watt monstors... but thats about it

remember the wattage of the PSU isn't what you are looking for.. when you are talking about a peltier.. you need to look at amps ( amprage)

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Scottland
maybe... you need to check the label of the power supply and see what the maximum amps it can handle is.. then check out what kinda amprage 156watt pelts draw..should be around 15 or 16

you really need a dedicated power supply i doubt that a pc power supply if going to get the job done... even if you only use it for the pelt.. maybe on of those 550watt monstors... but thats about it

remember the wattage of the PSU isn't what you are looking for.. when you are talking about a peltier.. you need to look at amps ( amprage)

well just to say, the dangerden 156w pelt is 15.6v @16.1 amps..
would it be ok to run it at 12v? or would that totaly kill the whole idea?
im use to water cooling, and all but i just havent had the money to experiment into hardcore things.. but i may have some left to upgrade my water cooling, so i wanna make sure i know what to do be4 i buy

[Dissolved]

the 300w enermax (the lower version of the one i have) says the 12v line is 4.25a min 17amp max... so techinaly wouldnt it be enough to power the pelt @12v?

http://www.enermax.com.tw/products/eg-365p-vefca.htm#s
i have the 430w one, but the 350 or 300w one on this page looks like it would be powerfull enough?

[Wicked Klown]

You could run it at 12volts, but underpowering it is just as bad as overpowering it.

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Klownin79
You could run it at 12volts, but underpowering it is just as bad as overpowering it.

yea, thats what i figured, but psu's to run a pelt would cost more money then i spent on my basic water setup in the first place.. i mean the psus for a plet are 70~200 dollars... i could just buy a mini freg and toss my rad and res in there for that amount..

[eobard]

Originally posted by Dissolved


well just to say, the dangerden 156w pelt is 15.6v @16.1 amps..
would it be ok to run it at 12v?

I had a thought hit me about pelts just recently. Everyone asks if a 14v-16v pelt will run on 12v from a standard computer powersupply. People also ask how to quiet down Deltas and other fans and are told to do the 7v mod. Why not do a pelt version of the 7v mod? For an ATX power supply run the positive off the 3.3v line and the ground off the -12v line for a differential of 15.3v. For an AT supply without the 3.3v line run the positive off the 12v line and the ground off the -5v line for a differential of 17v. This could also be done for the ATX supply if you need 17v.

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by eobard


I had a thought hit me about pelts just recently. Everyone asks if a 14v-16v pelt will run on 12v from a standard computer powersupply. People also ask how to quiet down Deltas and other fans and are told to do the 7v mod. Why not do a pelt version of the 7v mod? For an ATX power supply run the positive off the 3.3v line and the ground off the -12v line for a differential of 15.3v. For an AT supply without the 3.3v line run the positive off the 12v line and the ground off the -5v line for a differential of 17v. This could also be done for the ATX supply if you need 17v.

i was thinking that a lil while ago too... anyone know if this would work?
i have a 100 dollar multi meter to test if anyone would like to tell me hpw to do this? id like to try :)

[Krusty]

If you are going to go and use a pelt, I would think you should get the best one you can find. I have no experience in pelt setups, but my suggestion would be to go find yourself a 220w 12v pelt. They are out there somewhere, I just don't know where. In this situation, however, you would be drawing almost 19amps off the 12v line. In this case, you would need to find a pretty nice psu. Perhaps you could find a 12v power supply off of ebay that could support that much current?

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[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Krusty
If you are going to go and use a pelt, I would think you should get the best one you can find. I have no experience in pelt setups, but my suggestion would be to go find yourself a 220w 12v pelt. They are out there somewhere, I just don't know where. In this situation, however, you would be drawing almost 19amps off the 12v line. In this case, you would need to find a pretty nice psu. Perhaps you could find a 12v power supply off of ebay that could support that much current?

allready looked on ebay... nothing i saw that i liked..

[Krusty]

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[Dissolved]

i was looking for a varible 10~24v 10~20amp psu
basically i just need 15~16v @<20amp
and i wouldnt spend more then 60 on it

[Scottland]

if you want to test to see if the 17V mod or the 15.3 volt mod works.. thats easy..

just take one of your old computer PSU strip the 5v wire and the -12v wire.. turn it one and test it with the multimeter... if it doesn't work.. then use some electrical tape and tape the wire back up... and its as good as new..

btw way.. to power an atx motherboard without a motherboard...
do this

http://www.virtual-hideout.net/guides/atx_psu_mods/index.shtml

good luck

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Scottland
if you want to test to see if the 17V mod or the 15.3 volt mod works.. thats easy..

just take one of your old computer PSU strip the 5v wire and the -12v wire.. turn it one and test it with the multimeter... if it doesn't work.. then use some electrical tape and tape the wire back up... and its as good as new..

btw way.. to power an atx motherboard without a motherboard...
do this

http://www.virtual-hideout.net/guides/atx_psu_mods/index.shtml

good luck

i tryed that, and it doesnt read on the meter hmmmm.....
this psu sucks...
i mesured the 12v line, and its 11.9.. the 5v line jumps 5.25/.26 and im gonna figure out the main plugs voltage right now..

[Dissolved]

aha i got the 16.xx volts..
this psu isnt to good accoring to my meter..
if anyone would like i could do an atricle on the voltages :)

[muddocktor]

Don't even try to run a pelt using the +3.3 volt line and -12 volt line, you will fry something, most likely the psu. The -12 volt line isn't rated to carry very much current. Even the Enermax 651-VPE (550 watt model) is only rated for 1 amp on the -12 volt line. I just looked this up in my manual so I know these figures are accurate. I've just finished building a pelt/watercool system and if you don't have plenty of spare bucks, don't try it. With a high power Athlon you will need to run a minimum of a 172 watt pelt, and for nice frosty temps you would need to go with a wb that will let you run at least 2-120 watt pelts side by side. The psu I bought for my pelt is good for a 172 watt pelt, and cost right under $150 shipped to my door. I'm sure that you could probably get a better deal on ebay but I figure that if the psu dies, then the pelt will act like a good insulator and you will shortly have at least a fried proc, maybe the mb too.

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by muddocktor
Don't even try to run a pelt using the +3.3 volt line and -12 volt line, you will fry something, most likely the psu. The -12 volt line isn't rated to carry very much current. Even the Enermax 651-VPE (550 watt model) is only rated for 1 amp on the -12 volt line. I just looked this up in my manual so I know these figures are accurate. I've just finished building a pelt/watercool system and if you don't have plenty of spare bucks, don't try it. With a high power Athlon you will need to run a minimum of a 172 watt pelt, and for nice frosty temps you would need to go with a wb that will let you run at least 2-120 watt pelts side by side. The psu I bought for my pelt is good for a 172 watt pelt, and cost right under $150 shipped to my door. I'm sure that you could probably get a better deal on ebay but I figure that if the psu dies, then the pelt will act like a good insulator and you will shortly have at least a fried proc, maybe the mb too.

well i have a appox. 200 to spend if i dont get the hdd coolers and the second hdd i wanted..
but i dont wanna spend more then 75 for a psu for the pelt..
i may even get a pelt on my gpu if the alpha153U would cool it good enough...
i have all these idea's but no one seems to know enough to help me.. its driving me nuts...
im getting a 1900+ tonight or monday, and i wanna be able to hit 1.9ghz with it.. maybe higher... hell ill do a freaking mobo volt mod and get it to 2ghz... but my cooling sucks.. and i just want the cpu to be stable and i want a max load temp of 100F.. my room temp varies from 19c~32c.. so 37c would be close to ambient, so i may have to watch frost :(