What is wrong! AMD 1800XP at 66c!

[instant]

Hi,

Finally gotten my

ASUS A7V266-E(raid)
and
AMD Athlon 1800XP

Put them into the system, then I put on some Arctic Alumina Terman Adhesive in a very thin layer, as the instruction said, on both the cooling sink, performing "circular" movements to get the goop into the sink "holes",and using a credit card to 'scrape/apply'the goop on the cpu core..

one question, Can the cpu-core have lots of goop on it, as when I was done there was just a thin thin layer, so you could read the text through it.

The Swiftech 462B (believe its that one) was fastened secureely so it would take some effortto unscrew, but not VERY hard, as the instructions stated...

And now the damn cpu is at 66 degrees! according to ASUs Pc Probe and the hardware monitor onboard.

The cooling setup.

Swiftech MCX462B
Pabst 8412NGM

in a Chieftech DA01BLD server-tower.

Also have 2 x PABST 8412NGML fan for rear/front airflow.

The casing is open.

Motherboard temperature is 26Celciuous/78 fahrenheit
CPU Temperature after the computer being online for 12 hours is 66Celcious/150 Fahrenheit.

The DDR Ram chips have Thermaltake Memory Cooling kit on them.


HELP! :-)

[crazyman]

Originally posted by instant
Hi,

Finally gotten my

ASUS A7V266-E(raid)
and
AMD Athlon 1800XP

Put them into the system, then I put on some Arctic Alumina Terman Adhesive in a very thin layer, as the instruction said, on both the cooling sink, performing "circular" movements to get the goop into the sink "holes",and using a credit card to 'scrape/apply'the goop on the cpu core..

one question, Can the cpu-core have lots of goop on it, as when I was done there was just a thin thin layer, so you could read the text through it.

The Swiftech 462B (believe its that one) was fastened secureely so it would take some effortto unscrew, but not VERY hard, as the instructions stated...

And now the damn cpu is at 66 degrees! according to ASUs Pc Probe and the hardware monitor onboard.

The cooling setup.

Swiftech MCX462B
Pabst 8412NGM

in a Chieftech DA01BLD server-tower.

Also have 2 x PABST 8412NGML fan for rear/front airflow.

The casing is open.

Motherboard temperature is 26Celciuous/78 fahrenheit
CPU Temperature after the computer being online for 12 hours is 66Celcious/150 Fahrenheit.

The DDR Ram chips have Thermaltake Memory Cooling kit on them.


HELP! :-)

you should shut it down and either try it again with the arctic or try another monitor app.i used the silver and a Vantec cck-6035 on my 1700xp and under load it's at 32 to 35,double check (http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm)


motherboard monitor 5 (http://www.aoafiles.com/dafiles/CPU_and_Motherboard_Files/MBM51.EXE)

just my .02 :)

[flounder43]

That is a top of the line HSF, something is very wrong.

[instant]

Edit: replace adhesive with compund.
"Arctic Alumina Thermal Compund"


Yea, my thoughts exactly.

I wish the hsf had a better method to fasten to the motherboard though, those small plastic thingys on the backside of themotherboard turn themselves around with the screws on the other sidewhen i try to remove the heatsink, so I have to hold them in "check" while unfastening...

Damn, Guess i'll have to remove the motherboard - yet again - and apply everything once more.. doh.

First i'll try to fix the vcore and stuff and see what I end up with.

Damn it... what could be wrong, I fastened the hsf as hard as I thought it should be on the motherboard, following the swiftech installation guide step by step..

Oh whell, Guess i'll just have to try

1. Flashing bios.
2. Fixing vcore.
3. rechecking jumpers.
4. install MBM5.1
5. Check temperature.
6. Remove everything (again)
7. clean hsf with Acetone,
8. clean cpu core with acetone
9. fasten the screws (again)
10. apply adhesive on hsf,
11, remove a tiny "1/2 of a rice corn" using a razor blade or similar and put in a corner on cpu core.
12. use a fingerinside a plastic bag and using clockwise/counter-clockwise movements to make the adhesive go into the tiny "pores" on the hsf.
13. clean the hsf with a "coffee .. thingy.. " (non linting)
14. use the razor blade to apply a thin layer 0.002-0.004" thick (or something like that.. the image is NOT-seethrough, but my application is see-thru, should I use more adhesive?
15. fasten the screws harder this time, even though the manual states that you should fasten them "finger tight".

argh!.. why does it have to be so hard ;) i'm not stupid, but I cant really see where I am doing it wrong.. could a pocket of air on the cpu core/adhesive/hsf make the temperature jump so much?

Thanks for the help ;-)

The case is open at themoment, so I see no reason for it being that hot, the temperature in the room is about 20deg, and the mb is like 23.. so..

dang!even my old athlon 800 with a globalwin fan is a lot colderthan this, and I did not spend $$$'s to cool it efficiently like I did now...

[f155mph]

The Asus probe is not reliable, so use MBM5. You can super glue the plastic nut to the back of the board so it will stay. Just becareful not to over do it or you will strip the nut.

[instant]

Well, asus probe and mbm5 report the same temperature, right now at 65degC.. computer been up for 18 hours or so..

I'll try some magic in a few hours (copying from my old systems).. and see if that makes things better..

Wish me luck.. I know I do ;)

[instant]

Played max payne for 4 minutes...


| 27.01.2002 | 11:19:19 | 1546 MHz | 26° C | 71° C | -32° C | 1,84 V | 0,13 V | 3,41 V | 4,97 V | 12,46 V | -10,35 V | -2,86 V | 0 RPM | 0 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 27.01.2002 | 11:18:49 | 1546 MHz | 26° C | 70° C | -32° C | 1,81 V | 0,13 V | 3,38 V | 4,89 V | 12,59 V | -11,31 V | -3,15 V | 0 RPM | 0 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 27.01.2002 | 11:18:28 | 1546 MHz | 26° C | 70° C | -32° C | 1,86 V | 0,13 V | 3,38 V | 4,92 V | 12,83 V | -10,35 V | -2,86 V | 0 RPM | 0 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 27.01.2002 | 11:17:53 | 1546 MHz | 26° C | 70° C | -32° C | 1,82 V | 0,13 V | 3,36 V | 4,92 V | 12,59 V | -10,35 V | -2,69 V | 0 RPM | 0 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 27.01.2002 | 11:17:22 | 1546 MHz | 26° C | 69° C | -32° C | 1,86 V | 0,13 V | 3,36 V | 4,95 V | 12,52 V | -10,42 V | -2,86 V | 0 RPM | 0 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 27.01.2002 | 11:16:57 | 1546 MHz | 26° C | 68° C | -32° C | 1,84 V | 0,13 V | 3,36 V | 4,92 V | 12,89 V | -11,94 V | -3,68 V | 0 RPM | 0 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 27.01.2002 | 11:16:20 | 1546 MHz | 26° C | 68° C | -32° C | 1,84 V | 0,13 V | 3,39 V | 4,92 V | 12,46 V | -9,59 V | -3,90 V | 0 RPM | 0 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 27.01.2002 | 11:15:52 | 1546 MHz | 26° C | 68° C | -32° C | 1,84 V | 0,13 V | 3,33 V | 4,81 V | 12,71 V | -11,18 V | -2,96 V | 0 RPM | 0 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 27.01.2002 | 11:15:21 | 1546 MHz | 26° C | 67° C | -32° C | 1,81 V | 0,13 V | 3,42 V | 4,92 V | 12,52 V | -11,94 V | -3,70 V | 0 RPM | 0 RPM | 0 RPM |
| 27.01.2002 | 11:14:52 | 1546 MHz | 26° C | 66° C | -32° C | 1,86 V | 0,13 V | 3,39 V | 4,95 V | 12,83 V | -9,08 V | -3,78 V | 0 RPM | 0 RPM | 0 RPM |


lol!

[instant]

.. Well,

on the A7V266-E there is a setting to enable Palamino voltage settings, aswell as something for palamino temperature monitor(?).

when I enable this, according to motherboard monitor my cpu is at about 47C at bootup, and quickly rises and goes stable at around 51degC..

According to something I've read, this sensor is ALWAYS showing around 51 no matter how hot/cold the cpu is, so I cant trust it.

The other "setting" shows the temperature at around 65degC.

This is the onboard sensor, i.e i am not using a sensor on the cpu, so I dont know how hot it really is.

The question is, can i trust the A7V266-E default sensor? And why the hell is my cpu running at 65..

I setup everything - yet again - today.

Cleaned the HSF and CPU Core with Acetone.

Applied the termal compound on the HSF, cleaned HSF with a coffee paper (non linting)

Applied the termal compound on the cpu core, carefully, trying to get a thin layer, but it was difficult so I added a 'bit more' to get it atleast everywhere...

The bolts to themotherboard were fastened securely using a plier on both side...

The HSF was placed directly on top, and screwed fast in a "NE,SW,NW,SE" manner.. while applying pressure to the middle.

Argh!

I'm thinking about returning the entire p.o.s... my Motherboard shows 24degC now,using MBM51.
The sensor2 shows 51.
Cpu is at 1547mhz
Core 0 is at 1.86V,should be 1.75 if i'm not mistaken? So I guess I can find a way to get this value lower.

What am I doing wrong??

[flounder43]

All of the XP's default voltage is 1.75. Have you changed it in the BIOS? That would account for extra heat, but I still can't understand your prob because that HSF should handle it nonetheless.

Is your fan blowing IN to the sink rather than OUT?

Also, I am beginning to think that your sensor is just messed up.

[instant]

The Pabst 8412NGM is blowing into the Swiftech 462B as the instructions state.

There is a fan in the case-side blowing into the cabinett, directly onto the CPU approximately (chieftex DA01BLD cabinet).

There is a front bottom fan sucking air into, PABST 8412NGML.
There is a rear fan sucking air out, PABST 8412NGML.

Well, there is a vcore bug with some a7v motherboards i believe, atleast I had the same with my A7V, as I have with the A7V266-E now.

I have set the vcore manually now, using dip switches to 1.71.
MBM still shows it as 1.86V though, i'll have to check in the bios after a reboot.

I think the sensor is messed upmyself, atleast thats what I hope ;)

According to the instructions for seting up the hSF you should just 'drop it down' and fasten it securely, with "hand tight", i.e you can unscrew it without very mucheffort...

I have fastened it like that once, and tighter this time, still every sensor shows -exact- same temperature.

*ack*

I dont want the cpu to burn up.

According to ASUs Germany the CPU should give me trouble/stability problems when it reaches around 70degrees, well, I played Max payne with 70 degrees and there were no stability problems, only problem was MBM going into ALARM mode every 15 seconds or so...

I hate this;)

[tyshy]

i don't know what the problem is but i think the thermometer is off. I have a stock hsf with a mid tower case and simple straight forward cooling. I have 48C load. 1.4 athlon @ 1606

[instant]

If i have applied the hsf/arctic silver incorrect would'nt that account for the added heat.

How 'hard' should the Swiftech 462B be on the A7V266-E?

I.e, I cant screw the screws any harder, it will just make the fastener under the motherboard move out of position.

I tried this 3 times, and I got the exact same temperature all 3 times.

Each time following the removal instructions for old 'compound' before applying new.

I'll have a look at what the vcore settings are again, but still, 0.08 higher vcore should'nt increase the temperature by 20C imho.

[instant]

Just like to mention

Motherboard temperature is reported at around 23C.

(yes, my apartment is cold ) ;-)

[instant]

At bootup the cpu was reported to be at around 30C when I got into bios.. after watching it rise for a while, andthen booting up into WindowsXP i am now BACK at 64C!.. a c k..

Motherboard reported at 22C

[Bonka]

I know it's a hassle and all mounting and unmounting the Swify's, but have you ever tried another hs/fan?

[instant]

Got my hs/fan/setup on saturday so I have'nt really had much time to spend even more $ to 'investigate'. :-(

Guess I could use the fan i have on my other system,Athlon 800mhz.. but I think it would be to weak for this processor...

Anyone with the swiftech 462B who can tell me how 'hard' the screws should be screwed in.. ?

Ack!.. I hate this ;)

According to everything I've read, it should have been fastened securely,there is even the 'mark' of the cpu core on the heatsink once i remove the hsf...

::confused: :beer: :mad: :rolleyes:

[instant]

Update.

Removed the fan cover (laser cut 'radiation') from the CPU fan.. and voila the temperature dropped from 66C to 51C idle.

Also fastened the swiftech screws by 1/4th of a 360degree 'twist', except for one of the corners where i could not turn it anymore.

If I imagine that the onboard sensor is 5-6C wrong, then my idle is 46C... not too bad, but I'd still like it to show 46C even though it MIGHT show the wrong temperature, which I cant know for sure..

[francisamf]

Just a possibility. Maybe the HSF isn't "flat"? (though it would surprise me)

You might just want to remove the HSF, then take a look under it. The thermal compound mark(s) from the core of the CPU should (or could) leave a mark on the bottom of the HSF. If the mark(s) matches to the core, then this isn't the problem. Maybe a good lapping will help?

Good Luck!
F

[instant]

I can see exactly where the cpu core has been placed, and it is a clear 'line' around where it fits, so I think it has been placed correctly.

someone mentioned that the A7V266-E might report as much as 10C wrong... which means that I could be at 41C..

[Cluster]

The sensor is definetly messed up, at those temps your comp wouldn't be operating. Try getting a small diode like sensor or a digidoc

[Yodums]

Your best bet would be to go get an external probe and get those temperatures.

Yodums

[Niloc]

Those temps are messed up I have an 1900xp and underload its only about about 34-35 degrees C I have a fairly big heat sink and quite a few fans in my case though....

[instant]

Well, updated information.


Idle temperatures after enabling halt on idle and STNGP# or something.. :-)


25C MotherBoard.
46C CPU.


Still.. i want it lower!.. ack.. :-)

time to get the vcore down from 1.82 to 1.75 if at all even possible.


Is there such a thing as the 'definitive guide' to WPCRedit & VIA KT266A ? :-)

I mean, what does "FID Command Detect" mean for example, and why is it disabled on my setup? =)