pelt and resivior

[eh?]

i was reading through some of the articles on the front page and one guy tried using a pelt to cool the water in the resivior he only used a 72 watt pelt.... what if you did this with a 172 watt pelt?
what do you guys think?

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by drdingo21
i was reading through some of the articles on the front page and one guy tried using a pelt to cool the water in the resivior he only used a 72 watt pelt.... what if you did this with a 172 watt pelt?
what do you guys think?

youd need a big hsf to cool it, and it would defeat the whole purpose of water cooling.

[eh?]

Originally posted by Dissolved


youd need a big hsf to cool it, and it would defeat the whole purpose of water cooling.
why would it defeat the purpose of watercooling? all it would do is cool the water more, plue im won't use a pelt because i worried about codestaion so doing it in the water makes senese

[JFettig]

one thing iv thought of, wich i really think would work, is actually have the pelt with a hsf inside the rezivore and on the outside have a WATERBLOCK cooling the pelt!, i think that the pelt would cool the water enough to cool the pelt with the cold water!

what do you think?
btw iv never had any expierience with pelts but it sounds really good if it would work! REALLY GOOD!

[JFettig]

and in another way i dont think it would work because if it did it would have infinite cooling power, and would cool the water cooler and cooler everythime it the colder water hits the pelt and makes it eaven colder?
maby maby not? worth a try?
if you have a spare waterblock or could make a spare waterblock that would be a option

[eh?]

Originally posted by maskedgeek
one thing iv thought of, wich i really think would work, is actually have the pelt with a hsf inside the rezivore and on the outside have a WATERBLOCK cooling the pelt!, i think that the pelt would cool the water enough to cool the pelt with the cold water!

what do you think?
btw iv never had any expierience with pelts but it sounds really good if it would work! REALLY GOOD!
thats what i was talking about... some thing like this

[eh?]

see now there is nor need ofr a rad, and that setup rann an 800 at 32 under load. when on idle it went 7c under ambient. while the cpu was at 32c the water was at 24....i think this would work for cooler temps, and if i had the money would i do it....

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by drdingo21

thats what i was talking about... some thing like this

that may work but if u use a big pelt ull need a powerfull psu, and those things cost 100+ dollars.. pelts wont run well on a pc psu.. and what i ment eailer is water cooling is ment to be quiet.. if u get a big pelt and a big hsf then it'll be loud.. so i dont see much of a point, unless u have a 2000+ and u want 2ghz+ off it.. but if u have a lower ghz cpu then basic water cooling will do you ok..

[fuzzba11]

DON'T DO IT!!!!!!

Believe me, I attempted to do something similar, awhile back, and it was a complete waste of money. I used an 80W pelt, which isn't great, but I got practically no results, and lost $70 worth of equipment, doing it(two heatsinks+peltier...arctic epoxied them together, tried to pry them apart, and ended up with half a peltier on the bottom of each HSF :mad: ). My resevoir was a lot bigger than that one, though, about the size of a small trash can(okay, okay, it was a small trash can :p ). But seriously, I had dreams of grandeur and glory, worship by the watercooling community, and it just didn't work.

[JFettig]

Originally posted by drdingo21

thats what i was talking about... some thing like this

very close to what i was talkin about, but i was talkin-replacing the hsf on the pelt with a waterblock, it mite work, and it mite be a waste of time

[Ottoman]

are u takin the radiator completly out of the question?

cuz I think it would be more effective if u used it to cool the resevoir after the water has been cooled by the radiator..

cuz a hsf combo won't be able to cope with a higher wattage tec..

but a smaller one might work on a resevoir...

[eh?]

Originally posted by Ottoman
are u takin the radiator completly out of the question?

cuz I think it would be more effective if u used it to cool the resevoir after the water has been cooled by the radiator..

cuz a hsf combo won't be able to cope with a higher wattage tec..

but a smaller one might work on a resevoir...
now that i think about it the rad might help even more....
i really think this would work and whn i get home ill give it a try....maybe use 2 pelts....

[Brant]

So you want to cool your water with a peltier. I would do this using 2 water blocks. Dont cool the reservior cool the water. One waterblock on the cpu and another somewhere else in the line. You can make the second larger to use multiple peltiers and a big hsf.

insteadI think you should put a peltier between the cpu and the waterblock. This way you get the maximum cooling from the peltier. If you cool the water with the peltier you get a lot of heat absorbsion through the tubes and pump and reservior raising the temp of the water and decreasing the overall efficency of the peltier. If you have a peltier on the cpu then you might benifit by using peltier cooled water, but then also it might be better to put more peltiers on the cpu

radiator
If you are going to use a peltier to cool the water below room temperature you shouldn't use a radiator, it will only increase the water temperature.

[eh?]

Originally posted by Brant
So you want to cool your water with a peltier. I would do this using 2 water blocks. Dont cool the reservior cool the water. One waterblock on the cpu and another somewhere else in the line. You can make the second larger to use multiple peltiers and a big hsf.

insteadI think you should put a peltier between the cpu and the waterblock. This way you get the maximum cooling from the peltier. If you cool the water with the peltier you get a lot of heat absorbsion through the tubes and pump and reservior raising the temp of the water and decreasing the overall efficency of the peltier. If you have a peltier on the cpu then you might benifit by using peltier cooled water, but then also it might be better to put more peltiers on the cpu

radiator
If you are going to use a peltier to cool the water below room temperature you shouldn't use a radiator, it will only increase the water temperature.
i would use the pelt between the waterblock and the cpu except i don't wanna insulate from consdation on the morheboard. and if i had the water going from the res.>cpublock>rad>res. then the water would get heated from the block, the rad would cool it back down a bit then it would go back into the res. for the cooler cooling.

[Brant]

You probably shouldnt use a radiator. If you have a good enough peltier where it makes the water about 10 degrees below room temp, the cpu wont bring the temp above room temp. If you are usinig a small peltier and keeping the temps around room temp then a radiator and a peltier may prove useful. You temps will probably always stay within a few drgrees of room temp enen under load.

[eh?]

well i won't be using a ver good pelt because it has to be coolded with a heatsink. so an 85 watt or around there would be fine.

[fuzzba11]

I'm telling you guys, it sounds like a brilliant plan! But it's a waste of money! Really! I've done it! It failed miserably! Ignore me as if I were a raving mad scientist, but you'll get the same results!

[JFettig]

i got a sweet idea! wich iv been trying to tell you! in the like last 2 posts that i posted!
take that heatsink off the pelt and put your waterblock on it and see if it keeps getting colder and colder....if you could take it off easily....

just my idea....

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by maskedgeek
i got a sweet idea! wich iv been trying to tell you! in the like last 2 posts that i posted!
take that heatsink off the pelt and put your waterblock on it and see if it keeps getting colder and colder....if you could take it off easily....

just my idea....

that doesnt make any sence?

[eh?]

Originally posted by maskedgeek
i got a sweet idea! wich iv been trying to tell you! in the like last 2 posts that i posted!
take that heatsink off the pelt and put your waterblock on it and see if it keeps getting colder and colder....if you could take it off easily....

just my idea....
i have a 4x4x4 res. it won't fir 2 pumps

[Dissolved]

the pelt idea is still stupid... u could run a pelt over 80w on a pc psu, or ull overload it... your better just getting the pelt on my cpu, or doing what im doing, and making a frige mod.. a frige will be as cheap as a 156w pelt and a costy bench psu to run the pelt..

[eh?]

Originally posted by Dissolved
the pelt idea is still stupid... u could run a pelt over 80w on a pc psu, or ull overload it... your better just getting the pelt on my cpu, or doing what im doing, and making a frige mod.. a frige will be as cheap as a 156w pelt and a costy bench psu to run the pelt..
ahem, again i don't wanna insulate my board. i have an 85 watt pelt laying here...so why should i not use it? and when did anyone say they were gonna run a pelt of the psu? and i don't know where to buy a fridge for 50 bucks, do you?

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by drdingo21

ahem, again i don't wanna insulate my board. i have an 85 watt pelt laying here...so why should i not use it? and when did anyone say they were gonna run a pelt of the psu? and i don't know where to buy a fridge for 50 bucks, do you?

well buy a WB for that pelt and put it on your vid card.. i dont think an 85w will be enough for a cpu neways..

[eh?]

its not going on the cpu its going in the water....

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by drdingo21
its not going on the cpu its going in the water....

well you dont understand what im trying to say, so ill just drop this thread..

[JFettig]

he did say "i don't wanna insulate my board" like 10 times! man dont you get what hes saying! to put it on a gpu would mean that he'd have to insulate his grafix card!

and noone could understand what i was saying like 4 times!
and then owenator figured it out when i just told him about it and hes gonna try it one of these next couple days with his inline pelt waterchiller....(hes a SMART guy!)
its really not that hard to do

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by maskedgeek
he did say "i don't wanna insulate my board" like 10 times! man dont you get what hes saying! to put it on a gpu would mean that he'd have to insulate his grafix card!

and noone could understand what i was saying like 4 times!
and then owenator figured it out when i just told him about it and hes gonna try it one of these next couple days with his inline pelt waterchiller....(hes a SMART guy!)
its really not that hard to do

if he wont do that then why eve ask about it?
his mind is set and hes not gonna change it.. just wasted thread space then..

well maybe that 80w pelt would burn the pc psu he uses then he'll learn.

[fuzzba11]

*sigh*

For the last time, don't waste it on a waterchiller. I'm not going to bother elaborating further. Stick it on your CPU, if you want...you don't necessarily need insulation, but if something goes wrong and you get condensation, you should at least put a sponge or something on your graphics card to absorb any water that drips down. Oh yeah, and don't use a pelt unless you have watercooling...

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by fuzzba11
*sigh*

For the last time, don't waste it on a waterchiller. I'm not going to bother elaborating further. Stick it on your CPU, if you want...you don't necessarily need insulation, but if something goes wrong and you get condensation, you should at least put a sponge or something on your graphics card to absorb any water that drips down. Oh yeah, and don't use a pelt unless you have watercooling...

yea, he just doesnt understand... oh well..

[JFettig]

why are you guys being dicks!?
just let him have fun! i have fun figuring out that something doesnt work and if someone else coudlnt do it and i could well id show them!

so just dont post here and forget all about this whole post and leave this guy alone!

[BigRed]

Originally posted by maskedgeek
i got a sweet idea! wich iv been trying to tell you! in the like last 2 posts that i posted!
take that heatsink off the pelt and put your waterblock on it and see if it keeps getting colder and colder....if you could take it off easily....

just my idea....
that wont work
because the pelitier produces heat itself, if you did that it would just warm up the water
but how about have 2 water cooling systems?
have a rez and a pump and a waterblock to cool the cpu.
then put 2 150w pelts on that rez and put 2 waterblocks on there and have another rez and a pump and a raidaior to cool the pelitiers.

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by BigRed

that wont work
because the pelitier produces heat itself, if you did that it would just warm up the water
but how about have 2 water cooling systems?
have a rez and a pump and a waterblock to cool the cpu.
then put 2 150w pelts on that rez and put 2 waterblocks on there and have another rez and a pump and a raidaior to cool the pelitiers.

as he said eariler, he has a mini 4x4x4 res, and he doesnt wanna do that.. he Only seems to do what he wants, and wont take any better idea's from us..

[eh?]

Originally posted by Dissolved


yea, he just doesnt understand... oh well..
again, im not using a pc psu. and i do understand, but you don't understand and if you have nothing of importance to say then stop replying.i understand just fine what your saying and again ill tell you i don't wanna insulate my board not to metion that little 85 watt won't handle my cpu thats why it laying around.

[eh?]

Originally posted by Dissolved


as he said eariler, he has a mini 4x4x4 res, and he doesnt wanna do that.. he Only seems to do what he wants, and wont take any better idea's from us..
i don't really see how thats better. considers a hsf fan will handle an 85 watt pelt just fine, i honestly belive you have no idea what your talking about

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by drdingo21

i don't really see how thats better. considers a hsf fan will handle an 85 watt pelt just fine, i honestly belive you have no idea what your talking about

all im saying is an 80w pelt wont do all to much to cool the water.. it just depends on the setup u have

[res0r9lm]

How about this add a second resivor and pump. Make two waterblocks 4"x2" take two 156w 50mm peltiers and sandwich the pelts between the blocks insulate cold side and also cold resivor and block that is mounted on cpu or you could get temp controller for pelt that turns them on and off to regulate water temp so you would not have to insulate everything but that isn't
logical because the whole purpose of a water chiller is two get water colder than ambient another idea is too make watersink instead of blocks and how about making water bong for the hot water
By the time your done you will have more money in cooling system than the rest of your computer...lol:beer: :beer:

[Brant]

you just need to cool the hot side of the peltier enough. I think the 85W peltier is good enough but you will probably need a wicked hsf on the hot side. A peltier works on a difference in temperature like everything else. The cold side is cooler than the hot side. So dont use a cpu hsf, get a big heatshink and a big fan. It'll work.

I think a lot of these other people are telling you lies or they are just ignorant.

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Brant
you just need to cool the hot side of the peltier enough. I think the 85W peltier is good enough but you will probably need a wicked hsf on the hot side. A peltier works on a difference in temperature like everything else. The cold side is cooler than the hot side. So dont use a cpu hsf, get a big heatshink and a big fan. It'll work.

I think a lot of these other people are telling you lies or they are just ignorant.

were not ignorant, we just know what were taking about.. he said he didnt wanna buy anything else.. so therefore he could try it, but the pelt may fry if its not cooled well.

[res0r9lm]

as long as your block is not removing more heat than pelt can deal with 85w would work. which 85w pelt can handle 65w of heat(1.4 t-bird 72w)

[Ottoman]

I'm interested to see what results Drdingo21 get's..

and it's a smaller resevoir...

instead of having just 'stagnant' water waiting to be used, at least it'll be put to some use and prepped..

I SAY GO FOR IT!!

NO GUTS NO GLORY...

not like u'll lose anything anyway

[JFettig]

dude yea! you got it! all these weiner faces are just puttin him down!!! i say "screw them!"

[eh?]

thx guys! i will go for it i think it will work even though it is only an 85 watt pelt i see no reason why it can't cool the water beyond what the rad. could, ill let you guys know....

[docJ]

Most people that have bad luck with TECs, dont understand how to use them or how they work. I made a water chiller for some equipment at work that had to disapate about 30 W, for 1 to 3 hours at a time. I used a 6 gallon insulated res. and 1 little TEC on the res. rated at something like 70 watts max on 12 volts. Not so hard to do, but I needed sub zero C temps for that time ( yes I used water/anti freeze mix). I ran the TEC at 6 volts and in 2 days I had 6 gallons of -5C water (one might say cold storage). Under these conditions my hsf on the TEC had to disapate about 35 watts max, easy to do with a good hsf and easy on the ps.