T-brid 1 ghz or PIII 1 ghz?

[tainice]

i am going to build a rig for my friend, and i have the choice between those two processors, which one should i use? i don't care about the performance, for both are pretty equal. guess my real question would be, "is it safe for me to build a t-bird system when it can be so easily vanished if you been careless for about 7 seconds?" According AMD official saying, "if a t-bird 1ghz is left without any cooling for that short of period, it is all over," and that makes me worry. In a household where dogs and young child are infested, i do worry if they by accident, pump off the hsf off, then...
i am not here to laugh how fragile a t-bird can be, i am just asking questions, for the hsf is not that easily be knock off. Anyway, since my friend knows NOTHING about computer, if anything ever goes wrong, i will be charged with the crime:(simply put, are you guys confident enough to build such a rig for your computer-idiot friend? oh yeah, he is case is opened always, which makes the situation worsen.
P.S. i will post the same article on Intel cpu section, so if you guys are interested, take a look how they respond.

[flounder43]

I don't think having the HSF fall off is a realistic fear. I have 4 AMD systems, and take HSF's off all of the time, they tend to be very hard to get off once they are on.

And with regard to performance you are definately winning with the Athlon. Especially when considering the price...

flounder43

[Morbid]

Like flounder43 said, the HSF on an Athlon will not come off easy.

I have to fight with my HSF for it come off, when they're on.. they stay on.. trust me.

I'd go with AMD if I were you... just make sure you have adequate cooling :)

[tainice]

people, i totally understand what you trying to say, but some how i have to disagree with you guys, for...i knock my hsf off once, and i have to tell, it was an retail intel hsf, and in case you dont' know how difficult it is to get it on and off..let's just say, b4 the accident, i would NEVER have any though on my hsf would fall off one day, cuz in my mind, even earthquake would not get it off:) litterally.

[flounder43]

Originally posted by tainice
people, i totally understand what you trying to say, but some how i have to disagree with you guys, for...i knock my hsf off once, and i have to tell, it was an retail intel hsf, and in case you dont' know how difficult it is to get it on and off..let's just say, b4 the accident, i would NEVER have any though on my hsf would fall off one day, cuz in my mind, even earthquake would not get it off:) litterally.

I don't know about intel retail hsf's, but I have 2 stock AMD's and they are on tight. No probs.

[ThePunkGeek]

well you could always get a heatsink that bolts down

but the clips damn there a pain to get off at times there would be no way a dog could knock it off

[Ozzman]

ok listen i own a AMD and would almost NEVER buy a intel.. the new heatsinks do not come off easly.. but if u like amd u can go with bolt ones like the pal8045 (which i just ordered and is on the way)

BUT if u have cash to spend here it is.. i will give to u for real.. AMDS GET HOT!! REAL HOT!! they need good cooling if u have that no prob they are great if not u are out some cash or will see a lot of crashing.. now INTEL does not get that hot. also the p3 intels if there is no heatsink they will crash BUT they will not fry where as a AMD will fry within 5 secs (trust me i should know) ive seen a vid on tomshardwhere where they did this...


BOTTOM LINE

if u have cash go with intel if u want to save some bucks and know the heatsink wont get knocked off go with AMD that simple

[David]

It is extremely unlikely that a HSF will fall off. If secure it will be fine.

I would go with a tbird for many reasons:

1) Price - a LOT cheaper than a PIII

2) Performance - faster, acn be run with DDR RAM

3) Upgradability. Socket 370 and Slot 1 are almost dead, only Cellys use S370 now. Buy a Socket A mobo with a KT266A or an AMD760 chipset and it will take a Duron, Thunderbird or XP, and probably the new Thoroughbred CPUs when they come out.

[diehrd]

Go intell you sound scared of the raw power AMD offers over intell and seem to be buying the hype on cooking the athlon.Just remember you friend will be getting a SLOWER system if you do Intell.

It is unreasonable to think a heat sink will fall off the Athlon.I cant and dont want to know what silly person installed that sink that fell off your intell.

If you do decide to go AMD Be sure whoever installed that Intell heat sink is far far away from you when you assemble the system.

[LutaWicasa]

Hey tainice, everyone is quoting price/performance etc. etc........what I see it boils down to is this, you will more than likely be your bud's "tech support". So, you build him the system you will feel the most comfortable with.
You didn't seem overly concerned on the price/performance issue so my suggestion would be the Intel. Why? Because it takes much less comp savvy to keep the PIII running smoothly than the AMD. If, however, your freind will be lured into this tweaking and futzing around we all love so much :D go with the AMD as his upgrade path is quite a bit longer than with the socket 370, and there is just so much more to play with.

[tainice]

to everyone, especially LutaWicasa:

thanks, but before i continue on, 1) the person knocks off my hsf is my gal:), 2) I don't care about the price, for got them already, 3) performance wise, i could careless, for my bud is a COMPUTER IDIOT, he's main use of computer is for surfing and checking mails, but LutaWicasa did bring up a good point, AMD got more space for upgrading.

just got some question, according to LutaWicasa, and i quote, "my suggestion would be the Intel. Why? Because it takes much less comp savvy to keep the PIII running smoothly than the AMD" just need to know why is such? u mean AMD need more maintenance then Intel? or u mean that AMD system will encounter more problem in Intel's? Or is it because AMD will be harder to set it up? ok, simply put, if you guys are I, would you guys be comfortable enough to build an amd system to your relatives, who knows nothing about computer, and you are about 1500km away? And worst yet, no one will be able to help!!

[Angry]

just a note,

For the past 4 weeks I have hauled my system in teh back of my car to friends houses,(Lan parties) not once has the heatsink even come loose.

And we all know how rough driveing can be at times....

[LutaWicasa]

The Intel sys would more than likely be less prob to set-up as most hardware manufacturers are careful to make sure that just about everything is compatible with Intel. You may or may not run into compatibility issues with AMD(can we say SB Live?) This is of course in no way a reflection on AMD but rather some of the biggest chipset suppliers for them. I would get a little PO'ed to make a 1500km trip just to install the latest Via 4in1's.
For a computer idiot(your bud, not you) you would be better off with Intel.

[tainice]

Intel it is! since i am not look at performance, which is more easy going and trouble free is the one i will choice, and in this case, Intel is the way to go. thanks. your words made a lot of sense.

[Ozzman]

hey im building a duron system for my friend but he is next door so its not a biggy.. but we hope u will build a nice AMD for urself ;)

[tainice]

hehehe..i will, a AXIX 9 is waiting...:D but i don't have a case to host it, may have to wait for a month or so b4 it can start to work for me, but who cares? cheer:beer: