5770 & 5750 are out on newegg now.

[cmichaelt]

5770 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102858)

5750 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102859)

waiting for a review from any of the big sites now.

Review:

TomsHardWare (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446.html)
HardOCP (http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/10/12/amd_ati_radeon_hd_5770_5750_review)
Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3658)

[kraven]

i'm glad i waited to upgrade my 3850. anything in the new line should be much better than what i have now.

[Bobnova]

5770 looks to be a 40nm dx11 version of the 4870, i like it.

[cmichaelt]

i'm glad i waited to upgrade my 3850. anything in the new line should be much better than what i have now.

yea from what i've read people are saying the 5770 is on par with the 4870 perhaps + DirectX 11 capable

[xtkxhom3r]

very ****ing nice

[CharlieCS]

I like 5770 , cooler is very nice and considering how little power these cards consume should be very quite .But it will have to hit 120 $ before i bite :D

[cmichaelt]

OP edited to add reviews.

[jgv115]

Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3658)

[Badbonji]

Pretty dissapointed with the HD5770, it is slower by 10% than the 4870 but costs more, and loses out to the GTX260 216 most of the time in reviews...
So vs the HD4870 you lose a bit of performance for the DX11 support, and not many games are supporting it yet. Looking forward to the HD5870X2 though :P

[xtkxhom3r]

wow well that was disappointing lol... how about the eyefinity thing does it have that?

[MadMan007]

HD5770 needs to cost less to make sense *right now* given street prices on other cards. DX11 and that other stuff is great but we have no way of knowing how it will play out in the market nor how widespread games will be.

It's impressive in some ways but just *meh* overall...it's hard to call it an upgrade option unless you've got a much older card. It saddens me because unlike all other ATi launches for the last year+ it doesn't redefine price/performance it just fits right in.

[CharlieCS]

This is an awesome card , did not redefine price performance ?. 4870 launched at a cool price tag of 279 $ , this is basically same performance for 160 $ + eyefinity dx11 and cooler operation .It cost more but only until 4870 old stock clears out , this card has a potential of being a 100 $ card , 4870 is 256 mm2 this is 180 mm2 :) Very much impressed by this card , like many others would like it cheaper tho .

Edit not because it is not worth the dough , just because am broke atm :(

[cmichaelt]

Pretty dissapointed with the HD5770, it is slower by 10% than the 4870 but costs more, and loses out to the GTX260 216 most of the time in reviews...
So vs the HD4870 you lose a bit of performance for the DX11 support, and not many games are supporting it yet. Looking forward to the HD5870X2 though :P

4870 doesn't have eyefinity. also since this is suppose to be a more mainstream card not everyone plays @ 1080P, 1200P or 1600P, so for those that play at let's say 720P and below a card like this could set them up for 2 generations of releases.

wow well that was disappointing lol... how about the eyefinity thing does it have that?

Look above, if you had clicked on any of the reviews this question is answered

HD5770 needs to cost less to make sense *right now* given street prices on other cards. DX11 and that other stuff is great but we have no way of knowing how it will play out in the market nor how widespread games will be.

It's impressive in some ways but just *meh* overall...it's hard to call it an upgrade option unless you've got a much older card. It saddens me because unlike all other ATi launches for the last year+ it doesn't redefine price/performance it just fits right in.

Isn't redefining what the 5870 & 5850 is suppose to do?

[xtkxhom3r]

Look above, if you had clicked on any of the reviews this question is answered





haha :D

[cmichaelt]

haha :D

but after all, i'm gunning for an xfx 5850 i think. was gonna go with 5870 but cannot justify spending $120 more for the gains, i'll just buy and after market gpu cooler and ram sinks, overclock it and save about $50 bucks overall.

[jobrien2001]

I dont see this card as a failure, its basically a 4870 with 1GB, DX11 capable, and a much lower power consumption. This card will probably cost 90 bucks in 3 months.

Of course launch prices will be expensive until the 4800 series stock is depleted. ATI isnt stupid... they arent going to trash their old generation so they can sell the new one at the same price. Just wait 2-3 months.... by the time GT300 hits... prices will be MUCH lower.

[ratbuddy]

*drool* 5750 might just be the perfect HTPC card at the moment. jobrien2001 is probably right though prices shouldn't hold for long.

On second thought, 4770 never did come down. Hmm.

[xtkxhom3r]

*drool* 5750 might just be the perfect HTPC card at the moment. jobrien2001 is probably right though prices shouldn't hold for long.

On second thought, 4770 never did come down. Hmm.

way to much power for a htpc but then again there is no such thing as to much :p

[deathman20]

way to much power for a htpc but then again there is no such thing as to much :p

It is if your trying for a low powered solution. ;)

[ratbuddy]

If you've got an HTPC hooked up to a 1080p TV and still want to keep power consumption of the system way down while adding decent gaming capability, I can think of no better card then the 5750. Can you?

[xtkxhom3r]

nope i agree it is a great card for a good price no doubt

[deathman20]

If you've got an HTPC hooked up to a 1080p TV and still want to keep power consumption of the system way down while adding decent gaming capability, I can think of no better card then the 5750. Can you?

Yeah if you plan on to game on it... you'd probably be hard pressed to find something with a lower power consumption with that type of performance on the market currently. Not sure what nVidia will come up with but that will be well into the future for mainstream cards.

[ratbuddy]

Say you have a HD3300 in the chipset that handles Bluray and Netflix/Hulu (I know, prolly CPU doing those) streaming just fine, and added a 5750 to that system. Would the 5750 stay at 'idle' power levels when the 3300 is doing that sort of stuff, or would it take over the decoding from the 3300 and use more power?

[EarthDog]

Dont you have to disable the onboard to get it to use the standalone, otherwise its like Hybrid Crossfire and would split the load? But how much I guess is the question, yes?

[ghost_recon88]

If anyone buys one make sure to post in this thread, we need some reviewers ;)

[Shiggity]

It's unfortunate that these cards only have a 128bit bus, which is what they think is killing performance (should be higher than high end 4xxx's). Is there a bus width between 128 and 256? ;)

Still nice cards though, cheap way to get eyefinity / DX11 / LPCM 7.1 audio decode at once. Excellent power efficiency too! (Looks in the area of 25-30% more power efficient than 48xx).

[ratbuddy]

Is there a bus width between 128 and 256? ;)

Sure, I think the 8800GS/9600GSO had one.

edit: (192 bit)

[Niku-Sama]

i see potentally gaining 5-10fps in those reviews by driver updates.

same or better performance is still attainable....plus i bet these OC like mad

[wickedout]

I have the 5850. Great card. If I would've waited I could've gotten me 2 5770 and Xfired those in my rig. Oh well I guess I'll have to get me another 5850 so I can go X-fire.

I'm happy with my XFX GPU. I play Crysis Warhead at the highest res. and never lag. It's amazing.

[Ashura]

I think these cards are pretty decent for the price point, and will become pretty great once the price drops come in a few months. So much power with so little power draw. :drool:

wickedout: If you don't mind my asking, why are you interested in getting another 5850 for crossfire when you're already playing, with one 5850, Crysis at the highest resolution with no lag? Are there plans down the line to move to a higher resolution display?

[jobrien2001]

*drool* 5750 might just be the perfect HTPC card at the moment. jobrien2001 is probably right though prices shouldn't hold for long.

On second thought, 4770 never did come down. Hmm.

Well the 4770 had a big problem.... not the card itself but they never got a decent amount of stock. It was always hard to find. That doesnt help lowering the price tag. Another issue with the pricing was that NVIDIA had nothing to fight it with. The 4770 was a great card, too good for the price range.

Also, another good point to consider... 100 dollars 6 months ago isnt the same as 100 dollars today. So prices might appear to be more expensive when in fact the dollar is getting weaker.

Right now I live outside of the US. 6 months ago I was able to buy/sell dollars for 3.23 now I can do that same at 2.81. So the dollar is losing value.

Just giving an outside look for others to see.

[wickedout]

I think these cards are pretty decent for the price point, and will become pretty great once the price drops come in a few months. So much power with so little power draw. :drool:

wickedout: If you don't mind my asking, why are you interested in getting another 5850 for crossfire when you're already playing, with one 5850, Crysis at the highest resolution with no lag? Are there plans down the line to move to a higher resolution display?

I have plans to get a better monitor. I'll probably end up with a another Samsung or an Acer. I would like to get a better monitor for higher resolutions. But right now my Samsung T220 is working well.

[ratbuddy]

Well the 4770 had a big problem.... not the card itself but they never got a decent amount of stock. It was always hard to find. That doesnt help lowering the price tag. Another issue with the pricing was that NVIDIA had nothing to fight it with. The 4770 was a great card, too good for the price range.

Yeah no competition sucks. They launched around $105-$115 and have pretty much stayed there. Only now can you get one for $95, and the 5750 has obsoleted it. If they (4770) ever went down even to $85 I would have been all over it.

[MooMasster716]

I bet ATI will do a 5830 to fill the price gap between the 5770 and the 5850. I'm gonna call it and say 1000 or 1200SPs. and of course the 256bit memory bus.

[MadMan007]

It's unfortunate that these cards only have a 128bit bus, which is what they think is killing performance (should be higher than high end 4xxx's). Is there a bus width between 128 and 256? ;)

Still nice cards though, cheap way to get eyefinity / DX11 / LPCM 7.1 audio decode at once. Excellent power efficiency too! (Looks in the area of 25-30% more power efficient than 48xx).

It doesn't scale linearly with memory speed increases so no the bus width doesn't hold it back. Dang that's a myth that just won't die :bang head

[Badbonji]

Review of Xfire HD5770's vs GTX260's in sli:
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=20684

At the moment, the GTX260 still is very strong and manages to get overall better framerates in most games still with sli than the HD5770. Weird how they made the 5770 slower than the HD4870, I am sure they could have made it the same at least :S

[CharlieCS]

Review of Xfire HD5770's vs GTX260's in sli:
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=20684

At the moment, the GTX260 still is very strong and manages to get overall better framerates in most games still with sli than the HD5770. Weird how they made the 5770 slower than the HD4870, I am sure they could have made it the same at least :S

/facepalm


5770 is not a high end part it is mainstream .4870 is a high end part and so is 5870 .Also ATI cards been overclocking rather solidly and most reviews site large improvements once the card is overclocked.

[CharlieCS]

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?id=3036&cid=3&pg=1
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3658
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/24214-xfx-radeon-hd-5750-1gb-gddr5-review.html
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/24204-xfx-radeon-hd-5770-1gb-gddr5-review.html
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/24216-asus-radeon-hd-5770-1gb-voltage-tweak-edition-review.html
http://www.elitebastards.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=887&catid=13&Itemid=27
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/10/12/amd_ati_radeon_hd_5770_5750_review
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_5770_5750_performance/
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/
http://hothardware.com/News/ATI-Radeon-HD-5770-and-5750-Mainstream-DX11-GPUs/
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=20670
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=861
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/hd5750hd5770/
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5770/
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=795
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,697202/Ati-Radeon-HD-5770-reviewed-DirectX-11-Mid-Range/Reviews/
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/2964/sapphire_radeon_hd_5770_1gb_video_card/index.html
http://www.techspot.com/review/206-his-radeon-hd-5850/
http://www.techspot.com/review/209-ati-radeon-hd-5770/
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446.html
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=855
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1703
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1706
http://techgage.com/article/ati_radeon_hd_5770_-_directx_11_for_the_masses/
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_juniper&num=1
http://www.modders-inc.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=303
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/powercolor_hd5770/
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/xfx5750/
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=383&Itemid=47
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/10/13/amd-ati-radeon-hd-5770-review/1
http://ht4u.net/reviews/2009/amd_ati_radeon_hd_5700/
http://lab501.ro/placi-video/ati-radeon-hd-5750-hd-5770-directx-11-pentru-mainstream/12
http://www.wasd.ro/articole/3d/ati-radeon-5770-5750-si-2x-5770/
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/2009/test_ati_radeon_hd_5770_crossfire/#abschnitt_einleitung

some more reviews much more :D , credit goes to one tree hill from XS .

[Badbonji]

What I meant was, it has the same sp's as a HD4870, higher core and memory clock speed, and is basically a HD4870 with DX11. I would have thought with the same amount of cores + higher clock speed would mean a faster card, no?

[Bobnova]

The cores are subtly different though, and probably require a different feeding strategy that the drivers aren't fully developed for.
My guess is that once the drivers have had a few generations they'll be evenly matched at worst.

[EarthDog]

Yeah, completely different cores guys... ;)

[Badbonji]

I thought it was a very similar card, just 40nm? I didn't think of it as a major architecture change...maybe I am wrong :S

[EarthDog]

Die shrink, intrstruction sets, etc are different. Its not just a die shrink. Its not major like DX9 to 10 (7900GTX to 8800GTX for example), but its not just a die shrink.

[MadMan007]

This is an awesome card , did not redefine price performance ?. 4870 launched at a cool price tag of 279 $ , this is basically same performance for 160 $ + eyefinity dx11 and cooler operation .It cost more but only until 4870 old stock clears out , this card has a potential of being a 100 $ card , 4870 is 256 mm2 this is 180 mm2 :) Very much impressed by this card , like many others would like it cheaper tho .

Edit not because it is not worth the dough , just because am broke atm :(

/facepalm


5770 is not a high end part it is mainstream .4870 is a high end part and so is 5870 .Also ATI cards been overclocking rather solidly and most reviews site large improvements once the card is overclocked.

I have to respectfully disagree with you here. You're comparing launch prices from over a year ago to a card from the next generation so launch prices are meaningless. Current street prices or maybe even current MSRP, not that it matters nearly as much as street prices, are the way to compare.

People have come to expect ATi to deliver better price/performance than the current market prices, or at least the same price/performance. Now I'm willing to dismiss 2560x1920 performance because that's a high-end resolution and the 5770 is a mid-range card but lower resolutions don't change the performance comparison. Even with less tangible 'value add' features like DX11and Eyefinity some people like me are mildly disappointed because the cards only roughly fit in to the price/performance curve rather than having superior price/performance.

I do believe performance will be better as drivers mature though. xbitlabs does driver comparisons every once in a while so I'll be looking out for that review.

[jason4207]

It doesn't scale linearly with memory speed increases so no the bus width doesn't hold it back. Dang that's a myth that just won't die :bang head

What I meant was, it has the same sp's as a HD4870, higher core and memory clock speed, and is basically a HD4870 with DX11. I would have thought with the same amount of cores + higher clock speed would mean a faster card, no?

The architecture is a little different, but I still think that based on the specs the 5770 and 4870 should be equal in performance or the 5770 should be better...except for the difference in the bus-width.

That's why I think that the bandwidth (or bus width) is important here. I think that if the 5770 had a 256-bit bus it would beat the 4870 due to it's almost equal specs and higher clock speeds.

If you compare the 4870-512 to the 4850-512 and set the core clocks equal the 4870 will win. Why? Has to be the bandwidth IMO.

GDDR3-256bit or GDDR5-128bit: A bit limiting at high rez.

GDDR3-448/512bit or GDDR5-256bit: Bandwidth to spare at high-rez.

[MadMan007]

Everyone loves to pontificate about it and be certain about their answer because of logical deduction. But ya know what, there's an easy way to test it using the scientific method it's not like this is far out physics theory, it's just a graphcis card. Take one of them, oc the memory, and see if it scales linearly with memory increase. If so it's bandwidth constained, if not it's not. Unfortunately all the folks around the net would rather discuss it than try it. But wait, here's a place that did! Only one game tested but...

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5770/33.html

11.3% benefit from a 9% core and 25% (!) memory oc. Bandwidth constrained?

[Badbonji]

You need to do it with one or the other, not both imo. Cos you don't know how much of that increase is from memory or core :S

[CharlieCS]

I have to respectfully disagree with you here. You're comparing launch prices from over a year ago to a card from the next generation so launch prices are meaningless. Current street prices or maybe even current MSRP, not that it matters nearly as much as street prices, are the way to compare.

People have come to expect ATi to deliver better price/performance than the current market prices, or at least the same price/performance. Now I'm willing to dismiss 2560x1920 performance because that's a high-end resolution and the 5770 is a mid-range card but lower resolutions don't change the performance comparison. Even with less tangible 'value add' features like DX11and Eyefinity some people like me are mildly disappointed because the cards only roughly fit in to the price/performance curve rather than having superior price/performance.

I do believe performance will be better as drivers mature though. xbitlabs does driver comparisons every once in a while so I'll be looking out for that review.


People say that ATI brings price performance and they do ,but keep in mind last round ATI was launching against GTX280 and they had to compete, this season they have the whole dx11 and windows7 launch party to themselves ,all we need is NV back in the game and this will likely be a 100 dollar card like i sad , but right now this card is worth 160 bucks simply because it is the only mainstream dx11 card , it a selling point for OEM systems and a big one.

Right now nothing stops anyone from getting a 4870 instead of 5770 its a bit better card performance wise but then again you do want 5770 more :D so now you see .:soda: 5770 priced right where it suppose to be in AMD lineup just a bit over 4870 and cheapest 1gb 4870 is 150$ and cooler nowhere near as good as new 5xxx series reference cooler .


Right now AMD will enjoy high margins and the consumer didnt lost anything , we getting same thing for same amount of money , thats why we need NV but that wont happen for a while .I dont really disagree with you , just makings observations mostly , i do myself want cheaper cards too .

[jason4207]

Everyone loves to pontificate about it and be certain about their answer because of logical deduction. But ya know what, there's an easy way to test it using the scientific method it's not like this is far out physics theory, it's just a graphcis card. Take one of them, oc the memory, and see if it scales linearly with memory increase. If so it's bandwidth constained, if not it's not. Unfortunately all the folks around the net would rather discuss it than try it. But wait, here's a place that did! Only one game tested but...

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5770/33.html

11.3% benefit from a 9% core and 25% (!) memory oc. Bandwidth constrained?

I wouldn't call it scientific if more than one variable is changed and only one game is tested. See below.

And I'm not certain about my answer...just stating my opinion based on my understanding of the technology. I don't feel that the link you provided disproves my theory.

I just can't see ATI making their SP's less efficient. The only other thing that's different is the bus-width. What is your theory for lower performance despite equal SP's and higher clocks?

You need to do it with one or the other, not both imo. Cos you don't know how much of that increase is from memory or core :S

[MadMan007]

Well yeah they increased both so it's not really quite right but 11% on a 25% memory increase, even with the core increae there too? What would be best would be: stock, mem oc, core oc, mem+core oc and see how they compare. Even then 'overall oc' comparisons are more valid that just assuming and theorizing :p

[jason4207]

...comparisons are more valid that just assuming and theorizing

So, anybody have one yet? We need to run some tests! :)

[Nimblor]

So, anybody have one yet? We need to run some tests! :)

I agree. I am really curious about HDMI sound output with these cards for a HTPC. I am very interested in a 7.1 sound solution that is all together. I am also curious about how loud they are and possibly quieter aftermarket cooling options again for a HTPC.

[Essenar]

We can speculate all we want.

The performance is underwhelming because everyone is seemingly forgetting that these are mainstream cards and not high-range smashing machines.

People thought for years that a mainstream card had to beat a high-range card from the previous generation, but people are forgetting that that's not ATI's modus operandi anymore.

I feel the memory bus is the reason for the hampering. GDDR5 with a 128-bit bus? I think even GDDR3 cranks a 128-bit bus. The 8800GTX launched with 192-bit GDDR3 if I'm not mistaken and even the 2900XT had a 256-bit if I recall correctly.

The weird thing is, if the architecture is so superior, why does the 285 GTX manage to perform so well without using GDDR5? I never understood that.

[Hardin]

I can't remember what the 8800 gtx had but the gts had a 320-bit bus. 256-bit buses have been in the game since the Parhelia and 9700 pro. It would be weird to go back.

[CharlieCS]

GDDR or bus is not an issue , bandwidth is , you need sufficient bandwidth to effectively feed the core .Higher speed GDDR5 is implemented thus eliminating the need for bigger bus . 4870 had to much bandwidth as stated by AMD . And seeing how 5770 performs almost as good as 4870 with twice smaller bus seems they been right .

[jason4207]

8800GTX had a 384-bit bus and 768MB of GDDR3 RAM.

Bandwidth is just the bus-width multiplied by the effective memory speed.



GDDR3@2GHz/512-bit = GDDR5@4GHz/256-bit
-------GTX285--------------------4890--------

GDDR3@2GHz/256-bit = GDDR5@4GHz/128-bit
--------4850----------------------5770----------



It's a whole lot cheaper to keep the bus-width down, and use faster memory to keep bandwidth similar or better.

I agree that the 4870 has excessive bandwidth, but the 4850 is limited w/ only half the bandwidth. Otherwise, you could OC the 4850 far enough and match the 4870's performance. I think the bandwidth is a little limiting on the 5770 as well for similar reasons.