Was there any doubt? Apogee XT results

[Conumdrum]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=237152

Like I said in previous posts.

Looks like I got my xmas present coming!

[J-O_S-H]

AWSOME... I think I'm getting a new CPU block after all. Thanks Conumdrum.

[Gilgamesh]

Something doesn't look right, rge tested (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=621729) the HK beat the XT by ~.8C then in turn vapor's test beat the HK by ~.8C so the total variable is ~1.6C i do not think rge is new to WC and never mounted a block.

[H36]

Something doesn't look right, rge tested (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=621729) the HK beat the XT by ~.8C then in turn vapor's test beat the HK by ~.8C so the total variable is ~1.6C i do not think rge is new to WC and never mounted a block.I saw rge's results (he mentioned a weird increase on two cores on XS--something that shouldn't happen with a block change) and I think I figured out why those two cores are oddly hot.

Unfortunately it hints that the XT is not compatible with lapped CPUs after all--it stems from the same basic issue that caused the Gigabyte issues, the block is big. 60x60mm is big and *I think* it breaks Intel's "no-fly zones."

Anyway, here's what I've found: first, Cores 2 and 4 are actually adjacent and are either the top two cores or the bottom two cores, I forget exactly. I don't know why it's done like that :screwy:

Second, when you lap a CPU, you make it shorter by a fraction of a millimeter, which may not seem like much, but it comes into play.

Third, the Torx screws on the socket assembly are not flush with the socket assembly--the top ones definitely stick out quite a bit and the bottom ones (once the socket is loaded with a CPU forcing the internal springs to compress) do a little bit as well.

Fourth, unlike the HK3.0, the Apogee XT overlaps both sets of socket screws and by a few mm.

Add that all up and I think the Apogee XT is not sitting right on his CPU (or really any lapped CPU) because it's sitting on one set of the socket assembly screws (not sure which, my guess is the top set, they protrude the most) and that's forcing the XT to be lifted off the (either the top or the bottom of) the IHS and resulting in increased temperatures on the corresponding pair of cores.

When he gets back from vacation, he can test this by either removing the socket assembly totally, or grinding down the four Torx screws on the socket assembly (or by grinding out grooves on the base of his XT, but that sounds like the hardest option of all). Or if he has a non-lapped CPU, he can do one or two really quick mounts of both the XT and the HK to see that the core temperature profiles are indeed similar (then go on to recompare if he wants to, he probably won't want to after a vacation, lol).

Here's what my core profiles were like with the two blocks.
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1554/captureob.png
XT = the Gigabyte-compatible base (I use a Gigabyte board for testing, so it was important)
HK3.0 = HK3.0
XTOld = original base SW sent--contact was horrible on the left side of the IHS because the 60x60 base was too big and resting on the adjacent bank of caps (even when pushed to the side as much as possible, they forced the base to lift off the IHS).

I've seen this same basic profile on every CPU I've tested so far. Note that the numbers in the table above are the average of all 5 mounts, where-as the numbers in my charts are the average of the median 3 mounts (I drop the best and worst from my calculations), so they might differ by a few hundredths of a degree from what's on my charts.

(btw, this is Vapor)

[hokiealumnus]

Thanks for all your hard work Vapor; another stellar review!

[ricflairw000]

yeah im interested in the HK vs this new block

seems pretty close

[baditude_df]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=237152

Like I said in previous posts.

Looks like I got my xmas present coming!

Yep, I just got the email from Quoc at Petra's a day or so ago saying that they got delivery and he has a block ready for me, but I was waiting for these results. Trigger pulled! :)

Thanks for all your hard work Vapor; another stellar review!

Vapor, very nice to see you at OCF! :welcome:

I don't spend much time at XS, just mainly to get the input of people like yourself and few others. Your hard work is much appreciated, thank you.

[H36]

Thanks guys :)

I drop in every so often, but XS and testing eat up most of my spare time :p

[Conumdrum]

I think we need a vote. IMOG!!! Pay attention. We should by no less than force change H36 (how lame) name to Vapor as soon as possible.

Glad I caught it first for our forums.

I sent my sweet perfect wife who I will never ever do anything wrong to, this block for a XMAS present.

[H36]

That name was taken :(

I was talking to Mark, Ross, and Jeremy (and Gautam was there, but I always talk to him) about it back in April back at GOOC LA, they thought it should be changed too :p

[ricflairw000]

That name was taken :(

I was talking to Mark, Ross, and Jeremy (and Gautam was there, but I always talk to him) about it back in April back at GOOC LA, they thought it should be changed too :p
wow taht sucks

you just have to have some crappy off the wall screen name like mine lol

[baditude_df]

That name was taken :(

I was talking to Mark, Ross, and Jeremy (and Gautam was there, but I always talk to him) about it back in April back at GOOC LA, they thought it should be changed too :p

Yeah, probably by someone who doesn't even contribute here anymore.
EDIT: yep, joined 02, last activity 05. :(

wow taht sucks

you just have to have some crappy off the wall screen name like mine lol

WHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo!

[J-O_S-H]

Does anyone know when this will be available for purchase in the UK?

[Daddyjaxx]

Performance-PC's here will ship to the UK.

[J-O_S-H]

Performance-PC's here will ship to the UK.

Thank You... but with shipping (including tacking) it will be £80

It will likely only be £60 here... will wait im not in a hurry.

[ricflairw000]

Yeah, probably by someone who doesn't even contribute here anymore.
EDIT: yep, joined 02, last activity 05. :(



WHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo!
nice fish btw in that one pic

[jr1]

Off topic and possibly a stupid idea but how about just adding a letter or number at the end of Vapor like Vapor1 or some similar
Hopefully no offence taken

[hokiealumnus]

Better yet, since you publish as skinneelabs, you could be VaporLabs. ...or that could sound like you have big dogs. Whatever. :beer:

[H36]

Off topic and possibly a stupid idea but how about just adding a letter or number at the end of Vapor like Vapor1 or some similar
Hopefully no offence takenBetter yet, since you publish as skinneelabs, you could be VaporLabs. ...or that could sound like you have big dogs. Whatever. :beer:I honestly didn't really think about it...I use variations of "H36" for eBay, screennames, and my email, etc.

Just what came to my head first when the registration form said Vapor was already taken :bang head

A simple signature identifying myself should suffice :)

[Conumdrum]

Yep, I know, noobs wouldn't know what Vapor stands for. So not a worry at all. I know what Vapor aka H36 means in posts. All I need.

Just for recognition for your efforts is all.