Still Cant Get 1.4 Tbird past 1.54

[Drummenjohn]

I am a newbie to overclocking and I think i am doing everything right, but I need some help and advice.
My System Specs:
-AMD Tbird Athlon 1.4 266Fsb
-Fic motherboard (I am at school, I cant recall exact model It can handle up to a athlon xp 2000 though)
-Geforce 3 Ti 500 Video Card
-256 DDR

My Current cpu speed on idle is 100 degrees F and full load is 114 degrees F. That isnt very hot, actually thats Damn Cool. But I can only overclock the 1.4 to around 1.47.. Thats ridicoulus becasue some people get it up to a 1.8. I HAVE NOT UNLOCKED THE MULTIPLYER YET, would this help,? Right now i was just overclocking the bus speed. What do I do I need help

:o

[Drummenjohn]

I am a newbie to overclocking and I think i am doing everything right, but I need some help and advice.
My System Specs:
-AMD Tbird Athlon 1.4 266Fsb
-Fic motherboard (I am at school, I cant recall exact model It can handle up to a athlon xp 2000 though)
-Geforce 3 Ti 500 Video Card
-256 DDR

My Current cpu speed on idle is 100 degrees F and full load is 114 degrees F. That isnt very hot, actually thats Damn Cool. But I can only overclock the 1.4 to around 1.47.. Thats ridicoulus becasue some people get it up to a 1.8. I HAVE NOT UNLOCKED THE MULTIPLYER YET, would this help,? Right now i was just overclocking the bus speed. What do I do I need help

:o

[Jeff Bolton]

welcome to the all powerful boards! nice to have you!

yeah you'll probably have to unlock the multiplier to get much higher than what you have now. but you'll probably have to talk to someone else about unlocking the multiplier because my chip came unlocked :)

btw, this should prolly be in AMD Cpu's for future reference

[LutaWicasa]

First, welcome to OC.com :)

When ya get home the exact mobo would be really helpful. Back in my old PII days I had an old FIC board and wasn't terribly impressed as it offered very little in the way of oc tweakage. Your proc is more than likely factory unlocked. I beleive that most(if not all) 1.4 Tbirds of the 266 fsb flavor were.
When ya can, let us know more. See if we can't twist'er tail a bit :D

[Cluster]

Also, what's the stepping on your your 1.4. Some are good overclcokers and some aren't. What kind of DDR do ya have (speed/brand/CL). Hope to hear from ya soon.

Cheers:beer:

[Krusty]

First of all, welcome to the forums! Enjoy your stay here. FYI, this thread will probably be moved to the cooling section or the amd CPUs section. We like to keep things organized around here, so try to ease the load of work on the moderators by posting in the correct section

Second of all, those people that get their computers up to 1.8 generally use water cooling and often a freezer or peltier. Others use vapochill cases that will freeze the processor.

And third of all, your 1.4 tbird w/ 266fsb should already be unlocked for multiplier changes. You should be able to change the multiplier through jumpers or through bios settings, depending on what your motherboard supports. If you are unfortunate, like me, your motherboard might not support multiplier changes at all. In this case, you could go buy yourself a golden socket to do that work for you. Someone else here could have a link for you, but I'm in too much of a hurry to look.

Your temperatures seem pretty decent. I have similar temperatures and got my computer up to 1.52ghz. (most of us talk about temperatures in degrees celsius BTW).

If we knew more about your computer, perhaps the motherboard and memory type and brand, we could supply you with more information. Different setups perform differently.

Also, what heatsink and fan do you have on your cpu?

[Cluster]

The mobo type would help alot. Your temps seem ok for a little bit more MHz. Once you get back to us with some more info we'll be more than glad to help you make the most out of it.

Cheers:beer:

[The flaming Cow]

If you're not sure how to unlock your chip, I believe there are several articles on that very subject in the mian site, probably try the beginner's guides, or the CPU section.

-The Flaming Cow :mad:

[kwoon]

try too change your hsf
AND UNLOCK THE MULTLIPIER

[FRANK]

First of all, Welcome to the forum.

From what I understand all AMD 266 CPUs ("C" code) over 1.2G have been unlocked at default.

It sounds like you have the FIC AD11. That motherboard has the AMD 761 chipset. Although others have reported success with that chipset on other motherboards, I've only been able to get mine to the 138 / 140MHz range. Give the multipliers a try, depending on the stepping of your CPU, you should get into the 1.6MHz +/- range, although I don't think that you'll be able to utilize a FSB in the range of the Shuttles or Epoxes with the VIA KT266/266A chipset.

I stopped playing with my AD11 once I got my first 8KHA+ with the KT266A, but at the present I've got a DURON 600@1100MHz on that board.

Good Luck!

[Drummenjohn]

First Off Here is my system Specs:
-AMD Athlon Tbird 1.4
-FIC motherboard (AD11EA 266 FSB, can handle more speed)
-256 DDr Crucial
-PNY Geforce 3 Ti 500
-System Idle temp is 44
-System Full Load is 47

In my bios to my FIC motherboard(AD11EA) There is no option to change the multiplyer, I know that most Thunderbird 1.4's come unclocked so i wanted to overclock my processor. But the only thing I can change is the bus speed, I cant change the Vcore or the Multiplyer. Is there some other way than the bios that I can change these two VERY important factors in overclocking!?:o

[LutaWicasa]

According to the manual I d/l'ed you have the ability to manipulate mults and core voltage via jumpers and dipswitches. Break out yer manual and study up on yer board :D

You'll also want to think cooling before ya crank'er up too much.

[David]

You could try a bit of bridge slicing...?

[Drummenjohn]

I have my 1.4 ThunderBird overclocked to 1.54, it runs stable, the multiplyer at 11 and the voltage at 1.45(seemed low) Bus speed at 144...I dont want to screw this up any suggestions on how to get it to a 1.6 or 1.7?????? my Idle temp is 44 and full load is 46 is this Possible?

[bobt17]

as long as u can keep your temps below 50C u should be able to up your vcore... u actualy have it running on a lower vcore then default unless that is s typo the default vcore is 1.75 for all tbirds

EDIT: BTW WELCOME TO THE FORUMS!!! :D:D

[LutaWicasa]

Well. I really don't see how your running at 1.45v, and at fsb speed of 144 with mult at 11......that would be 1580 not 1540. How are you monitoring temps and voltages?

[Drummenjohn]

Well in my manual it says "CPU Core Voltage setting". and I change this through dipswitches) and the default is set to 1.45...but in my bios it says my Vcore is 1.83, wich sounds more reasonable....Is Vcore The same thing as CPU Core voltage? Also I was at a bus speed of 140 before typo....AND what is a safe multiplyer number because it seems everytime i bring my bus speed past 140 it wont boot...Thanx for the help

[bobt17]

u can use whatever multiplier u want there is no "unsafe" multiplier as far as i know so if it will work then use it :)

[killem1x1]

Go with either a FSB, or multi overclK. Find the best of both by themselves, then you can work them together, try a low multiplier with a high FSB, run some benches, then use a default fsb, and see how high you can get the multi.

So, I've been told this is how the "pros" do it ;)

[LutaWicasa]

Yep, Vcore, core voltage, cpu voltage..all the same thing. As stated above, there really isn't an "unsafe" mult. As to helping figure out why/how you're stuck........it would make it easier if you would let us know what all constitutes your system(mobo, hs/f, ram, vid, psu etc.)

We'll help ya get all ya can :D

[Drummenjohn]

System Specs:
-FIC AD11 EA Motherboard
-1.4 Thuunderbird Athlon
-300w Power Supply
-256 DDr Crucial
-GeForce 3 Ti 200 (Penny pincher)

If CPU Core voltage is the same thing as VCORE, why is that on my dipswitches the cpu core is set to 1.45(acording to maunual), but in the bios it says 1.83??? Two different numbers but 1.45 cpu core is the motherboards defaul cpu voltage(wich is what it is set at now, ACCORDING TO THE MAUAL)

Also should I try a Higher multiplyer and a lower bus speed?

[bobt17]

only try uping the multiplier once u are sure u cant go any further with the fsb because the fsb generaly will give u more performance then uping the multiplier

[Drummenjohn]

I am useing standard cooling, but my temps are plenty cool and allow for overclocking....I am oced to 1.54 by changeing multiplier to 11 and bus to 140...and my temps are 43 idle 45 full...


I have tryed everything though...for some reason also I cant put the buss below 133. My computer will not boot if it is lower. And lets say i put my buss past 140 on ANY bus speed the computer will not boot. Also I have tryed 11.5 at 138 bus, no luck, 12 at 133 bus NOPE. I am getting desperate remember my motherbaord is a FIC AD11 (before i said AD11 EA...sorry) I just think my processor wont overclock but PLEASE I am open to any suggestions!.!.!

[LutaWicasa]

Yet another thread Drum? This makes the fourth regarding the same topic.
Either delete this one and pick up where ya left off in the last one I was helping you in, or I will have no choice but to disregard your posts in the future.

[Drummenjohn]

It just seems that as the threads mover further down the page no one helpps me. Sorry I will not do this again...But how will people see the threads that i have posted in the last few days.

[LutaWicasa]

If a thread has been pushed off the first page, all you have to do is make a post in it to bring it back to the top.

An example would be: like your post last night has slipped back to page 2. You could simply find your topic and enter the reply " come'on guys, I really need some help!"
When you submit that reply to your own post it will be bumped all the way back up to the front.

What ya oughta do is click edit button in your first post here and check off the delete box and delete this entire thread. Then go to the second page of this forum and make a reply in the thread we were working in last night. you'll notice I had made another post since you had said goodnight.

OK?

[LutaWicasa]

This is thread 1.

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Thread 2.

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Thread 3.

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[LutaWicasa]

And thread 5. Which one do ya want to work with?

[Drummenjohn]

OK, I am sorry about all the trouble I casued, but I noticed it was all throughn into one new thread. Thank You. OK

SYSTEM SPECS:
-1.4 Athlon Thunderbird (Factory unlocked)
-300w psu
-FIC AD11 MOTHERBOARD
-256 Crucial DDR
-Western Digital 40gb Hard Drive
-Geforce 3 Ti 200
-Keyston NIC card
-DEFAULT MULTIPLYER AT 10.5
-DEFAULT VCORE AT 1.83

I have tryed to overclock my Athlon 1.4, the only way I can succesfully overclock this thing is to set the multiplyer up to 11, and then to set the FSB to 140.

-I cant ever set the FSB past 140, it doesnt matter what multiplyer it is on.
-I have tryed the FSB at 133 and the Multiplyer at 12 and this would not boot
-I have tryed the multiplyer at 11.5 and the FSB at 138 wouldnt boot)
-Most of the time when my computer boots (or lack of booting) I get to the window screen and then I get a blue screen and it tells me a different error everytime.
-Is My FIC AD11 MoBo holding me back
-I have a ECS motherboard but it has issues

I use My Bios PC HEALTH To Check the vcore and temperatures of my cpu. What programs do you suggest.

-My Idle Temp is 43c and My FULL LOAD TEMP is 46....Thats at 1.54, I know I can Do better

-I really Appreciate all this help AND THANK YOU

[LutaWicasa]

Alright. Thanks which ever mod combined all these into one :)

Reading back through the now unified thread, I see Frank said he'd had no luck in pushing this board past the 140ish fsb. So, let's see what we can manage to do with the mults :)
What are you using heatsink/fan wise? Need to know for temp control if/when we see about upping your voltage.

[Drummenjohn]

Ok. I am useing a coolermaster hs\f
-again oc'ed to 1.54 my temsp are 43 idle 45 load
-I think arounf 5800rpm's let me check and get back to you

CORRECT 5800 RPMS ON THAT CPU FAN

[LutaWicasa]

You're already at the upper acceptable temp. With both of my rigs I get around 44-46c under full load. One is at 1.85v and the other is 1.90v. You may condsider some more effective cooling.
Set your dips for 1.80v and see what it reads in MbM.

[Drummenjohn]

I changed Vcore to 1.80 on dipswithches, but in my bios it says the vcore is at 1.89....Right now my pocessor is sitting idle at 45c
woukd say there is room for another 5 mhz But how can i do it if i cannot move my bus past 140??? Please help me.

[LutaWicasa]

No. We have already ascertained you will probably not exceed 140 fsb. Now let's try bumping up the mult. Now try 11.5 mult.

[Drummenjohn]

I have fidded around with this stuff for a while. I found that I can run my 1.4 at 1.54 with the vcore set to only 1.78 (it was at 1.83)
BUT
even with my vcore up to almost 1.9 I could not run a 140 FSB with a 11.5x....So... What next?

[LutaWicasa]

Have you managed to boot with the 11.5 mult at ANY fsb?
Can you use any mults other than 10.5 and 11?

[Drummenjohn]

I can only boot at 11.5 if my bus is at 133

[LutaWicasa]

Well, I've got to say...without being able to be there, actual hands on.........you've got me flummoxed. :confused:
I got no more ideas short of...........get a different mobo :(

[Drummenjohn]

I tottaly understand....Thank you for your help...I have an ECS K7S5A Motherboard...But it has issues that I could not figure out. I is saposed to be a 266 FSB motherboard, but it would run right at 133 bus only at 100 bus...the vcore on that board was to low and there is no way to change it...I would be greatfull if you could figure that out,,You seem to know a lot more than me about all this stuff. THANX

[LutaWicasa]

This one I can help with. All you have to do is close the L7 bridges(actually, only 1 as the others should already be closed). Then, the default voltage is seen as 1.85v.

[Vega]

Hi there, not sure if this will help, but i have had exactly the same problems (althought i am using an a7v 266 mobo)

After help on the forums, i found that my problem was down to insufficient i/o voltage, resulting in lack of performance when upping the fsb

my cpu core voltage always appeared to be good (but could never get the mult abv 11), but as i was upgrading my case any way, i opted for a new enermax 431W PSU, and so far, so good.

I have now had the cpu at 1598 stable for about a day now, and am still pushing it further.

Like I said, may or may not be the same prob, but i had exactly the same probs. I would usually end up with a blue screen just b4, or just after the password screen on XP, and now all is fine.

Hope this helps.

P.S stepping code of my cpu is AYJHA-Y and sig is out of date oops...