Radiator Comparison thread

[BobbyBubblehead]

Spreadsheet & Links




Spreadsheet

Download -> 83576


V5 improved spreadsheet interface courtesy of mrgettmann (http://www.overclockers.com/forums/member.php?u=101968)





Manufacturer Sites


Aquacomputer www.aqua-computer.de (http://www.aqua-computer.de/e_index.htm)

EKWB www.ekwaterblocks.com (http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/index.php)

HWLabs (Black Ice) www.hwlabs.com (http://www.xspc.biz/)

Koolance www.koolance.com (http://www.koolance.com/default.php)

Magicool www.magicool.biz (http://www.magicool.biz/Index.htm)

Swiftech www.swiftnets.com (http://www.swiftnets.com/)

The Feser Company (TFC) www.feser-one.com (http://www.feser-one.com/)

ThermoChill www.thermo-chill.com (http://www.thermo-chill.com/old/)

XSPC www.xspc.biz (http://www.xspc.biz/)

[BobbyBubblehead]

1x120mm Radiators Listing

Black Ice GT Stealth 120
Dimensions & fittings
mounting M4
Dimensions 157x133x29.6
Fan spacing NA
Connection G1/4
Factor Slim
Design
Construction
Material Brass/Copper
FPI
Additional
Finish


Black Ice GT Xtreme 120
Dimensions & fittings
mounting M4
Dimensions 155x120x57
Fan spacing NA
Connection G1/4
Factor Standard
Design
Construction 2 Pass 2 Row
Material Brass/Copper
FPI 20
Additional
Finish


Swiftech MCR120-QP
Dimensions & fittings
mounting M3
Dimensions 158x128x34
Fan spacing NA
Connection G3/8
Factor Slim
Design
Construction
Material Brass/Copper
FPI 8
Additional
Finish
Diagram Link (http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/images/products/MCR120-QP/mcr120-resdimensions-543-430.gif)


Swiftech MCR120-QP-B
Dimensions & fittings
mounting
Dimensions 158x128x34
Fan spacing NA
Connection G1/4
Factor Slim
Design
Construction
Material Brass/Copper
FPI
Additional
Finish


ThermoChill PA120.1
Dimensions & fittings
mounting
Dimensions 174x128x61
Fan spacing NA
Connection G3/8
Factor Standard
Design
Construction
Material Brass/Copper
FPI
Additional
Finish


XSPC RS120
Dimensions & fittings
mounting M4
Dimensions 155x121x35
Fan spacing NA
Connection G1/4
Factor Slim
Design
Construction 1 Pass 1 Row
Material Copper
FPI
Additional
Finish


XSPC RX120
Dimensions & fittings
mounting M4
Dimensions 162x125x58.5
Fan spacing NA
Connection G1/4
Factor Standard
Design
Construction 1 Pass 3 Row
Material Copper
FPI 8
Additional
Finish

2x120mm Radiators listing

Black Ice GT Stealth 240Lite
Dimensions & fittings
mounting M4
Dimensions 275x120x29.6
Fan spacing
Connection G1/4
Factor Slim
Design
Construction
Material Brass/Copper
FPI
Additional
Finish

Black Ice GT Stealth 240
Dimensions & fittings
mounting M4
Dimensions
Fan spacing
Connection G1/4
Factor Standard
Design
Construction
Material Brass/Copper
FPI 30
Additional
Finish

Black Ice GT Stealth 240X-Flow
Dimensions & fittings
mounting M4
Dimensions 280x120x32
Fan spacing
Connection G1/4
Factor Slim
Design
Construction
Material Brass/Copper
FPI
Additional
Finish

Black Ice GT Stealth 240Xtreme
Dimensions & fittings
mounting M4
Dimensions
Fan spacing
ConnectionG1/4
Factor
Design
Construction
Material Brass/Copper
FPI 20
Additional
Finish

Black Ice GT Stealth 280Xtreme
Dimensions & fittings
mounting M4
Dimensions 316x153x55.7
Fan spacing 15mm
Connection G1/4
Factor Standard
Design
Construction
Material Brass/Copper
FPI
Additional
Finish

Swiftech MCR220-QP
Dimensions & fittings
mounting M3
Dimensions 284x128x34
Fan spacing
Connection G1/4
Factor Slim
Design
Construction
Material
FPI
Additional
Finish
Diagram Link (http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/images/products/MCRad-220/mcr220-qp-resx629x804.gif)


ThermoChill PA120.2
Dimensions & fittings
mounting
Dimensions 284x129x69
Fan spacing 15mm Standard
Connection G3/8
Factor Standard
Design
Construction
Material Brass/Copper
FPI
Additional
Finish

XSPC RS240
Dimensions & fittings
mounting M4
Dimensions 277x121x35
Fan spacing
Connection G1/4
Factor Slim
Design
Construction 1 Pass 1 Row
Material Brass Body Copper Fins
FPI
Additional
Finish

XSPC RX240
Dimensions & fittings
mounting
Dimensions 286x125x58
Fan spacing
Connection G1/4
Factor Standard
Design
Construction 3 Pass 1 Row
Material Copper
FPI 8
Additional
Finish

3x120mm Radiators listing


Swiftech MCR320-QP
Dimensions & fittings
mounting M3.5 threaded fan and case-mounting holes
Dimensions Slim form factor 16 x 5 x 1.3" (410 x 128 x 34mm)
Fan spacing fan hole space 15mm
Connection 1/4" BSPP / G1/4" threaded barb ports
Factor Slim
Design
Construction 2-pass, single row construction
Material Brass body and tubes, louvered copper fins
FPI 8
Additional
Finish High-durability acrylic paint finish
ROHS compliant
Patent-pending self-purging brass plenum chamber
Optimized fin-density for maximum heat dissipation at low noise
Diagram Link (http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/images/products/MCR320/mcr320-qp-dimensions-600x81.gif)


ThermoChill PA120.3
Dimensions & fittings
Case mounting 6-32 fan screw and case mounting holes (un-tapped)
Dimensions (LxWxH): 397 x 127 x 62mm
Fan spacing 15mm Fan spacing
Connection 3/8" BSPP (G3/8) Barb Ports
Factor Standard
Design
Construction 2-pass, double row construction
Material Brass Tanks, brass Tubes and Copper Fins
FPI 5
Additional
Finish Matt Black


TFC X-Changer 360
Dimensions & fittings
Case mounting M3 tapped screw holes
Dimensions 411x123x62mm (LxWxH)
Fan spacing 17mm Fan spacing, 15mm Fan spacing
Connection G1/4 Barb ports
Factor Standard
Design
Construction 2 row 2-pass design
Material Copper fins, brass end tanks
FPI 12 Fins Per Inch (FPI)
Additional
Finish Black Finish (5µm)


XSPC RX 360
Dimensions & fittings
Case mounting M4 tapped screw holes
Dimensions 125x58.5x410mm (WxDxH)
Fan spacing fan spacing 15mm
Connection G1/4 Barb ports
Factor standard
Design
Construction 3 row 2-pass design
Material Copper Tubes and Copper fins
FPI 8 Fins Per Inch (FPI)
Additional
Finish Black Gloss Finish


HWLabs GTX360
Dimensions & fittings
Case mounting M4 tapped screw holes
Dimensions 397x133x55.7mm (LxWxH)
Fan spacing fan hole space 15mm
Connection 1/4" BSPP / G1/4" threaded barb ports
Factor Standard
Design
Construction 2 row 4-pass design
Material Copper Tubes and Copper fins
FPI 20 Fins Per Inch (FPI)
Additional
Finish Black High Gloss Finish


HWLabs SR1-360
Dimensions & fittings
Case mounting M4 tapped mounting holes
Dimensions 397x133x55.7mm (LxWxH)
Fan spacing fan hole space 15mm
Connection G1/4 Barb ports
Factor Standard
Design
Construction Two row, Two-pass u-flow configuration
Material Copper fins, brass end tanks
FPI 9 Fins Per Inch (FPI)
Additional
Finish Carbon Black Finish


XSPC RS360 BLACK
Dimensions & fittings
Case mounting
Dimensions Dimensions: 121x35x397mm (WxDxH)
Fan spacing
Connection G1/4" Ports
Factor Slim
Design
Construction 1 Row 11 Tubes
Material 19mm Flat tubes for reduced flow resistance
FPI Sub 8fpi (fins per inch)
Additional
Finish Black Gloss Finish


XSPC R120-T
Dimensions & fittings
Case mounting
Dimensions 420x139x45mm
Fan spacing
Connection 1/4" Thread
Factor Standard
Design
Construction 2 rows of 12 tubes
Material Copper and Brass construction
FPI
Additional
Finish Chromed shroud for 3x 120mm fans


Black Ice GT Stealth 360 Lite Radiator
Dimensions & fittings
Case mounting M4 threads
Dimensions (L x W x H): 397 x 120 x 29.6mm
Fan spacing
Connection G1/4" Thread
Factor Slim
Design
Construction
Material Soldered copper fins, brass casing and chambers
FPI
Additional
Finish


Black Ice GT Xtreme 360 Lite Radiator
Dimensions & fittings
Case mounting M4 threads
Dimensions (L x W x H): 397 x 120 x 55,7mm
Fan spacing
Connection G1/4" Thread
Factor Standard
Design
Construction
Material Soldered copper fins, brass casing and chambers
FPI
Additional
Finish

4x120mm Radiators listing


XSPC RX480
Dimensions & fittings
mounting
Dimensions
Fan spacing
Connection 1/4" BSPP / G1/4" threaded barb ports
Factor Standard
Design
Construction 3 row construction
Material copper
FPI 8
Additional
Finish


Black Ice SR-1 480
Dimensions & fittings
mounting M4
Dimensions 517x133x54
Fan spacing 15
Connection G1/4"
Factor Standard
Design
Construction 2 Pass
Material Brass/copper
FPI 9
Additional
Finish


ThermoChill PA120.4
Dimensions & fittings
mounting
Dimensions 129 x 524 x 60mm
Fan spacing 15mm
Connection Fitting Thread: 3/8" BSPP or G3/8
Factor Standard
Design
Construction
Material Brass Tanks & Tubes, Cu Fins
FPI
Additional
Finish Matt Black
Optimised for fans upto 130cfm


4x140mm Radiators listing


Black Ice GT Xtreme560
Dimensions & fittings
mounting M4
Dimensions (L x W x H): 610 x 153 x 48mmmm
Fan spacing
Connection threads: 2x G 1/4"
Factor Standard
Design
Construction
Material Soldered copper fins, brass casing and chambers
FPI
Additional


Black Ice GT Stealth 420
Dimensions & fittings
mounting M4
Dimensions 460x153x29.6
Fan spacing
Connection G1/4
Factor
Design
Construction 2 Pass
Material Brass/copper
FPI 30
Additional
Finish
140mm fans





note: due to time and limited info this list is not complete :salute:

[BobbyBubblehead]

Know anything missing or a new entry please copy and paste the blank list below :salute:



Make -
Model -
Mounting -
Width -
Depth -
Height -
Fan spacing -
Connection -
Pass -
Row -
Body -
Fins -
FPI -
Fan size -
RPM -
CFM -

[BobbyBubblehead]

Fin Count Update


To match figures for fin count Swiftech and Thermochill`s counts have been doubled as apparent differences have been brought to my attention within the spreadsheet by our trusted water guru Spawn-Inc.


most third party "fin counters" and companies interpret the fins to be counted as shown in the diagram. b1 & b2 equals 2 fins count.




79463


im not gonna hold my breath for an end to world poverty & conflict... but at least now were all clear on how to count fins?

[hokiealumnus]

Nice idea; this would definitely be good to have in chart/spreadsheet form. It would also be good for a front page piece; may as well get the info out there as well! Let me know if that interests you when you're done.

Anyway, if you feel ambitious, I know some manufacturers post charts. Here is the one for the MCR-320 (http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/images/products/MCR320/mcr320-qp-dimensions-600x81.gif). You could link to them after their listings so people get a visual of the proportions to go with the dimension measurements.

[BobbyBubblehead]

I will try to get as much compiled as we can find usefull to stick in there but sometime down the line my own focus may be forced to move away to other things.

But for now were good to go :burn:

[xrodney]

As far as i know new ThermoChill PA120.3 have now little different dimensions (LxWxH): 397 x 127 x 62mm and spacing 15mm.

[BobbyBubblehead]

yep theres two versions still available here in the uk but only one listed as current at there site so I will update to the modern dimensions and spacing.

cheers xrodney

Edit: updated

[Conumdrum]

I just link folks to Skinnes web page. Besides size etc, the thermal testing info gets people to open thier eyes to the inner workings of watercooling.

Thanks tho Bobby, putting this in a table format would be much easier to compare, especially for sizes. Once it's all done hopefully this can be put in the WC FAQ/stickies.

[BobbyBubblehead]

carnt deny ive been to skinnies on my travels today :rolleyes: all respect to the guy :salute:

A one stop spreadsheet source to all rads is another vision ;)

once top side of it. updates should be steady work.

so anyone out there with the ability to drop a ruler on a rad we dont know the FPI and fan spacing for will help the cause :)

[Conumdrum]

To make this easy and less confusing, we should stick to the major players out there, and only the newer models. For example, the XSPC RS rads are easily outperformed by the RX series. So why mention the older rad which can cause confusion. Like the black ice stealth series and others.

[hokiealumnus]

FYI, EK rads were just released. Skinnee has one for review now. :)

[BobbyBubblehead]

To make this easy and less confusing, we should stick to the major players out there, and only the newer models. For example, the XSPC RS rads are easily outperformed by the RX series. So why mention the older rad which can cause confusion. Like the black ice stealth series and others.

well I remain fluid with the idea.

next batch we will confirm which models then source the info.

rough XLS template linked at the top... only one entry, im hungry :p

[schmide]

To make this easy and less confusing, we should stick to the major players out there, and only the newer models. For example, the XSPC RS rads are easily outperformed by the RX series. So why mention the older rad which can cause confusion. Like the black ice stealth series and others.

Because they are still used? The whole idea of a database is to include most available information.

Radiator performance, relative to density, varies by such a marginal amount.

Edit: I believe they may also support a nitch market where thin is needed for mounting issues.

[BobbyBubblehead]

more I got to thinking in the background the more I have to agree there schmide

here in the uk older models are still available hence my confusion... sure other poor uk folk also have fun figuring out what the lead market has left behind.

anyhow the spreadsheet of first draft variety has been completed (as far as current info goes) and linked at the top of the thread.

[Spawn-Inc]

nicely done. should be plenty helpful even as it is right now.

for the quad rads the black ice 560 uses 140mm fans, not 120mm as listed.

[Conumdrum]

Pretty darn nice Bobby, will help for figuring out what case will allow xx to fit.

[schmide]

Super cool. Adding a cooling area column then sorting by it provides their relative cooling ability. Maybe put in a fan count so that can be taken into consideration. (i.e. a thin 120.3 may outperform a thick 120.2)

Edit: or one could just weight the width and height higher than the depth. (some fudge factor) Never mind.

Of course density is the wrong word. Cooling area is the right term. Doh.

http://clanasylum.com/radden.png

[BobbyBubblehead]

@spawn - noted will change the 560 :)

@conum - yep fitting and offset was my original need ;)

@Schmid - top suggestion for some kind of ability ordering we should do that :D

any usefull info that can be sourced about these rads can be added obviously.
anyhow its starting to build up quite nice.

(best sort that 560 out then and maybe carry on sorting the order of the listing out)

:beer:

[Conumdrum]

Some rads have a bit of a plenum area on one side for less dead spots. Like the new EK rad. Makes a diff when mounting fans in push or pull etc. But not a huge deal at all.

Maybe a colume for what basic fan speeds work best. That would help the noobs a lot.

[BobbyBubblehead]

yes seems a good idea also... did think myself once or twice as I was listing the rads recommended for upto 130cfm

lets make it as detailed as possible to maximise its use.

[BobbyBubblehead]

@ Schmide - ahh suddenly the science becomes clear... I think we should roll with "surface area" for that way of looking at things.

it should illustrate some approximation, rads having different active working areas through design. but the designs dont differ enough to get botherd about I suppose.

(still to stupid to work out the autosum after all these years... interface looks like the helm of a starship compaired to my training on mighty 486 technology, maybe getting too old for having a clue 78555 #laughs#)

anyhow Update...

finished available Black Ice range and info.
drinking coffee...

[schmide]

LOL I answered your PM then noticed you did all the work already. Nice.

[BobbyBubblehead]

cheers for the help anyhow Schmide :thup:

any more crackin suggestions welcome :)

im out of makes I know about in the UK now so if anyone wants more brands?....

[Spawn-Inc]

when i saw that spreadsheet the only thing that came to mind was...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-72fz20wpQ

last 2 words...


GREAT work bobby!

[xtreeme]

Great job

FYI: Monsta Extreme 420/360 holds 1.3 liter and not 7.2 liter of coolant :)

http://www.feser-one.com/site/product_info.php?products_id=322

[BobbyBubblehead]

Update.

Cleaned posts and re-orderd for user friendly action :salute:

Update.

Swiftech MCR Drive series added

[Conumdrum]

Bobby, this is the only place I know that has this. So instead of us linking to other places for guides etc, we will be linking peeps to OC Forums.

Great job, big effort on your part and well appreciated. I will add it to my main guide.

[hokiealumnus]

Most certainly a great wealth of information. In case you hadn't noticed, it has made the singular water cooling sticky. Very, very good work!

[Blazing fire]

Good thread. Thanks for your time and effort!

[Boulard83]

Just ordered a TFC 360. Hope its not bad ;)

[BobbyBubblehead]

Boulard - you could help the data when you clean it out.... fill it up then measure the water out into a jug, then we know exactly what that model holds :D

and I can refine things a little in the spreadsheet :salute:

[Boulard83]

Ill do it !

[BobbyBubblehead]

cool :cool:

dont let me down... or well decend from the OCF chopper and crash through your windows... with a short flat blade screwdriver to tear down your loop :sly: #Laughs#

cheers Boulard :beer:

[Boulard83]

loll ;)

[BobbyBubblehead]

UPDATE:

V4 out today!

updated fin count reasons and "natty" diagram on post #4


:salute:

[johan851]

Thanks for the update on Swiftech FPI!

[BobbyBubblehead]

with all respect to thermochill and swiftech, they wernt bending the interpretation of what "a fin" is :thup:

however if were going to count every fold as a fin, its only fair the results be compensated to illustrate a level interpretation.

maybe one day theyll all settle on a thread size :clap:

[BobbyBubblehead]

In prgoress datasheets...

Pumps comparison

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=629710


Reservoir comparison

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=629928



(just helps me find the other work threads.... wanted Content Editor! #Laughs# Hokieillusiveness :) )




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[09CivicSI]

This thread has been tremendously helpful for me. I've not touched W/C in over seven years, so this data base is pure GOLD for me!!

Thank you so much for taking on this huge task and formatting it for such easy cross referencing. The amount of time invested in this undertaking isn't small by any means and I certainly appreciate your dedication with it.

[Elfie]

Don't the XSPC RX rads have 6-32 threads rather than M4?

[hokiealumnus]

The first version had M4. The current versions are 6-32, you're correct. Source (http://www.xspc.biz/rx120.php).

[BobbyBubblehead]

noted elfie :salute:

i`ll book a day in "soon" for some updating action :)

[BobbyBubblehead]

places to purchase thread - http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=645051

(just keepin my eggs in one basket I can find :D )

that is all :salute:

Edit: wowsers 5000plus hits... sure I havnt been to this thread to update that often (just feels like it) #Laughs#

Thanks! OCF people

have fun!

[mrgettmann]

Suggestion for the spreadsheet. Make row 1 twice as thick, break up the cells and text wrap to include row 2 as part of row one and freeze the top row so people dont have to scroll up and down to compair items lower on the list.

If you need help doing this let me know.

[BobbyBubblehead]

noted your operational improvements... no spreadsheet master here :D

I may ask you to do the magic and upload it so I can replace it.

see how it goes... right now its tequila time... doesnt say spreadsheets make a good mixer on the bottle so what can I do :shrug: :soda::beer:

[mrgettmann]

Hope i uploaded this correctly.

[BobbyBubblehead]

Thats superb :thup:

with the WC retail sticky and the OC Aquarium club, I totally forgot about this one :rolleyes:

Much more functional :beer:

thanks V much mrgettmann :D

your my hero of the hour :thup:

(Guess id best take us to V5 and sticky it before I forget again #Laughs#)

[BobbyBubblehead]

Don't the XSPC RX rads have 6-32 threads rather than M4?

:beer: Why yes the new version does.
(Only took three months to update the fact :) HE Heee! I feel like a help desk:sn:)


Updated to V6