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I have a dilemma on my hands...
Im spending some money and in the end, as in life, you cannot get everything, so... to make the long story short I can choose either of these but not both.
ATi 5870
or
Samsung 24" LCD
My current PC has 8800gt 512mb and 17" flat screen CRT
[EDIT] (Because... I dunno...)
I am getting an i5 750 and 4gb of ram
How about a new monitor first? 17" with a 5870 would be kind of overkill.. by a lot...
Get a new monitor and save up for a new video card after that. Although, since a 5870 runs about $410 right now, I think you could just get a 4870 and a 24" as well..
cmichaelt
12-30-09, 10:45 PM
Or get a 5850 and a 21" - 24" monitor,
5870 or 24" LCD (other options don't exist)
And I mainly want to play GTA IV. BTW, I've been in 15-17" monitors since Windows 3.1 so it's not like Im suffering or something.
watchthisspace
12-30-09, 11:11 PM
I'd go for the 24" As for GTA IV, it's more of a CPU intensive game than GPU
Gabkicks
12-30-09, 11:11 PM
a 5870 wont help your framerates much if you are pairing it with a 4000+. you need a quadcore or at lest tricore cpu @ fast speeds to get decent performance in GTA IV.
atomic ferret
12-30-09, 11:16 PM
Definitely go with the monitor for now.
Joeteck
12-30-09, 11:20 PM
a 5870 wont help your framerates much if you are pairing it with a 4000+. you need a quadcore or at lest tricore cpu @ fast speeds to get decent performance in GTA IV.
+1.. Thats like putting CAM fuel in a Volkswagen BUG....
Blazing fire
12-30-09, 11:53 PM
Since you don't mind small screen, 4:3 aspect ratio, flickering, eye sore, large space and relatively low res, I suggest you stick with your 17" CRT. Viewing angles, colour reproduction and FPS (75 if I'm not mistaken) are better with CRTs in general. If you are using one of those legendary CRTs, I consider getting a cheap TN 24" a downgrade.
Xtreme Barton
12-30-09, 11:59 PM
well how do you like your 8800gt as of now ?? if you can live with your card def get a new monitor .. im sure you will love it once you get it ..
big monitors are awesome
Neural Net
12-31-09, 05:48 AM
5870 or 24" LCD (other options don't exist)
And I mainly want to play GTA IV. BTW, I've been in 15-17" monitors since Windows 3.1 so it's not like Im suffering or something.
The screen will last you a while so it's best to go with that and then upgrade your rig later down the line. Just don't expect to run GTA IV at its native res for the time being.
a 5870 wont help your framerates much if you are pairing it with a 4000+. you need a quadcore or at lest tricore cpu @ fast speeds to get decent performance in GTA IV.
And who said I'll be pairing it with my current 4000+? It's gonna be i5 750 with 4GB ddr3 1600.
I'm getting mixed comments with the screenie winning.
I got the dilema since I thought, well, I want the fastest card to be future proof till I can get new stuff again... but then I thought... a 5870 with 1152x864 @ 75Hz res is not doing any justice... but then again an 8800gt with 512mb running 1900 reses...
kkpudge7
12-31-09, 07:44 AM
You are going to bottle neck that CPU like a taking a Los Angeles expressway down to one lane if you get a 5870. On the other hand your 8800 is going to struggle @ 1920x1080/1200. Not to mention I wouldn't run a 5870 off a 470w psu, that could lead to problems as well. If you dont mind playing your games at medium settings and possibly having to drop the res a little bit, just go for the monitor.
If not, save the $400, match it with another 4-500 and build a new rig :)
killem2
12-31-09, 07:47 AM
If it were me, I'd get the monitor. I had to make that choice and while yes the 8800gt sometimes struggles, you can play some games still at 1080, and still turn down some of the eye candy.
ArchEnemy
12-31-09, 08:07 AM
Why is it all black/White for you? I'm pretty sure almost everyone would have chosen a 4870& & 22" screen if that option existed).
Anyway, I would go for a a good 24" (non TN) for sure if I had to chose between both choices.
EarthDog
12-31-09, 08:10 AM
Get the screen. However your 8800gt will cry for mercy at 1920x1200. Dont expect to play the newest games at the highest detail levels or with AA though.
killem2
12-31-09, 08:25 AM
(non TN)
I have a 24 inch asus TN panel that does 1920x1080. Its a fantastic monitor. I still have yet buy into the hate on TN panels.
SeanBest
12-31-09, 08:25 AM
I would look at cheaper card and maybe a 22in monitor if possible.
You are going to bottle neck that CPU like a taking a Los Angeles expressway down to one lane if you get a 5870. On the other hand your 8800 is going to struggle @ 1920x1080/1200. Not to mention I wouldn't run a 5870 off a 470w psu, that could lead to problems as well. If you dont mind playing your games at medium settings and possibly having to drop the res a little bit, just go for the monitor.
If not, save the $400, match it with another 4-500 and build a new rig :)
What CPU are you refering to? I don't think a Lynnfield 750 would be bottle-necking that. Also I believe my 470W PSU would run the intended setup just fine.
But ok, I'll make things more clear
I have $1,000 in my hands right now. Im getting an i5 750 Quad with 4gb ddr3 a mobo and some aftermarket cooler for the cpu. So I get some $430 to spend on either a 5870, because Im not buying anything but that, or a new LCD screen because this (http://i.testfreaks.com/images/products/600x400/217/e-machines-eview-17f3.198617.jpg) is what I have. I thank you all for all the recommendations so far.
EarthDog
12-31-09, 08:51 AM
Its really up to you. We just gave you our suggestions. If you get the 5870. The monitor you have and the resolution it supports will make that card severely bottlenecked. So its a waste of money really until you hit a res of 1920x1080 or so.
On the other hand, if you get a 24" monitor, your 8800gt will not like that very much.
So.....your choice. You have the needed information from everyone already! GL!
What CPU are you refering to? I don't think a Lynnfield 750 would be bottle-necking that. Also I believe my 470W PSU would run the intended setup just fine.BEfore your prior post and subsequent edit of the OP, you didnt mention you were getting an i7. ;)
EDIT: As far as the PSU... well, 470W, even with a PCPnC PSU, that is pushing it for my tastes. Especially with both overclocked... I would run that with anything less than 35A on 12v rail overclocked personally.
killem2
12-31-09, 08:55 AM
I am currently running an 8800gt on a 1080p monitor. It depends on the game, Dirt 2, amazingly runs well at that res on high settings. GRID chokes, gotta turn it down. But resolution isn't everything either, the vibrant colors are amazing so even though yes I have to down resolutions the games and dvds in general look SOOOOOOOO much better.
Alien432
12-31-09, 08:57 AM
+1 Samsung 24" LCD hands down. It alone is best bang for the buck as 5870 right now are expensive.
Its really up to you. We just gave you our suggestions. If you get the 5870. The monitor you have and the resolution it supports will make that card severely bottlenecked. So its a waste of money really until you hit a res of 1920x1080 or so.
On the other hand, if you get a 24" monitor, your 8800gt will not like that very much.
So.....your choice. You have the needed information from everyone already! GL!
Thanks, and I'm very sorry for being closed to options and/or an azz.
I should had make things clear from the start.
I think I'll be going for the LCD screen.
mattspalace
12-31-09, 08:58 AM
Any chance you could snag the LCD and maybe pick up another 8800GT on the cheap for some SLI action?
If it's one or the other, I'd also pick up the LCD.
EarthDog
12-31-09, 09:01 AM
Cant SLI on that board (or Crossfire), single PCIe x16 slot... :(
Im also now worried about the PSU...(see my edit above Douken)
mattspalace
12-31-09, 09:07 AM
Ah, I didn't even check out his board..
I vote..........LCD!
Neural Net
12-31-09, 09:29 AM
Thanks, and I'm very sorry for being closed to options and/or an azz.
I should had make things clear from the start.
I think I'll be going for the LCD screen.
You can always buy a graphics card later on. The screen will most likely have a longer useful lifespan and the 8800GT will do for now.
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calaveraOC
12-31-09, 12:41 PM
personally, I'd go ahead with the LCD. Still waiting on the 5870s to drop to their ACTUAL price. I cant justify paying 450ish for a new 5870.
EarthDog
12-31-09, 12:50 PM
They are only $10 over MSRP currently...FYI
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=5870&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&Order=PRICE
technojunkie180
12-31-09, 01:49 PM
I'd go for the monitor. It will last you a while and you'll be spending about half as much money so you'll be able to upgrade your card sooner rather than later. In my mind you'll be better off with the 8800 + new monitor than you would be with the 5870 + old monitor.
Blazing fire
12-31-09, 08:20 PM
Why is it all black/White for you? I'm pretty sure almost everyone would have chosen a 4870& & 22" screen if that option existed).
Anyway, I would go for a a good 24" (non TN) for sure if I had to chose between both choices.
Problem is, you can't really get a IPS for $400.
Btw, if you do plan on getting good, accurate colours, do get a calibrator too.
GT3mich
12-31-09, 09:57 PM
WHOA!
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As simple as it getsThat ram is 1.85/1.95 volts. Pretty hot for i5/i7 processors. I would get this instead.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231282
I would get the monitor also.
OnDborder
12-31-09, 10:18 PM
Any chance you could snag the LCD and maybe pick up another 8800GT on the cheap for some SLI action?
If it's one or the other, I'd also pick up the LCD.
My thought also..
BTW, he's getting a i5(1156) board. Some do sli..
Hey Zeus
12-31-09, 10:48 PM
IMO i would go with a 32" Lcd instead. Yeah the resolution isn't going to be 1900X but ****.. Do you REALLY need it?
mrgoodkat
01-01-10, 12:55 AM
Like someone mentioned, get both a monitor and a card. You could get a decent 24" like this (http://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-VX2433wm-24-inch-WideScreen-Monitor/dp/B001O9EUSO%3FSubscriptionId%3D01CTTZ2EMJ1DMFJYZ302 %26tag%3Dlogicbuy-20%26linkCode%3Dsp1%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165 953%26creativeASIN%3DB001O9EUSO), and a 5770, with the plan to add another 5770 down the road. You then have a setup that surpasses the 5850, and even the 5870 in some apps, while drawing less power than a single 5870. And you have your monitor. I upgraded from a 17" to a 22" wide-screen, its almost a spiritual experience...
To me, the 5870 is kind of pointless. Maybe more justifiable since the price increase of the 5850, but at the original MSRP of $259, I would be at odds with the person who spends $100 more on the 5870. There really isn't a sizable enough difference to make it worth the extra coin.
LogicBuy (http://www.logicbuy.com/subcategorydeals/13/Computers/36/LCD_Monitors.aspx)
$430 for a card and monitor? stretch it to 450, get a 24 inch and a 5850 when they come down to msrp. DONE best of both worlds, 5850 is best performance per dollar ever at around 275.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231281&cm_re=gskill_ddr3_2000-_-20-231-281-_-Product
i'd get that instead also...
ArchEnemy
01-01-10, 10:01 AM
I have a 24 inch asus TN panel that does 1920x1080. Its a fantastic monitor. I still have yet buy into the hate on TN panels.
Got two Benq g2400w (tn) myself, so no hate intended. It's just that if I could, I would probably have bought high quality IPS screens.
24" is generally considered as the best screen size for a desktop configuration, and is so considered as a longterm upgrade.
If you already have the perfect size, you only want to upgrade it to something with more performances/quality. So why not directly take a high quality screen?
bohansen
01-01-10, 08:22 PM
I'd say go for the monitor. You'll be very very happy with the extra monitor real estate. Plus a 8800 isnt to bad..
Hey Zeus
01-01-10, 08:31 PM
24" in a heartbeat
AngelicPenguin
01-02-10, 01:49 AM
Ya the monitor - tying a 5870 to a 17" CRT wouldn't be worth it.
Got two Benq g2400w (tn) myself, so no hate intended. It's just that if I could, I would probably have bought high quality IPS screens.
24" is generally considered as the best screen size for a desktop configuration, and is so considered as a longterm upgrade.
If you already have the perfect size, you only want to upgrade it to something with more performances/quality. So why not directly take a high quality screen?
You are comparing BenQ's to IPS? Try comparing BenQ to bottom of the line monitor's.
After using a Ben-Q "Gamer" monitor, then a Chimei "value 22 inch" monitor, then a high quality LG 22"... all TN's.. I noticed a big difference. You can still get a good quality TN panel without going all the way to IPS, just know what to get.
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