Best Aircooled Rig I have ever Seen

[Bender]

Check out THIS (http://www.ocmod.com/code/show_art.php?id=17&pg=1) airchiller for this aircooled rig. I think this is cooler looking than most water setup. I just wish they posted some results so we could get an idea of how well an airchiller works.

http://www.ocmod.com/img/articles/airchiller01/10a.jpg

[cyber mouse45]

wow!!!

[deathstar13]

looks killer but id be afraid to put it in a case and let it pull a hole in the motherboard!

[fuzzba11]

Ha! Nice, but a total waste of space...and earplugs, anyone?

[f155mph]

That is cool!!! But I think it is a waste of money. I don't think the peltier will have enought power to cool the air to make the air cooling work. The fins on the second hsf above the one attach to the cpu does not have enough thin fins. Hence less area for the air that past through it to cool down enough. Water will still be the best for cooling.

[Patchmaster]

This is an interesting idea, but the only way it would accomplish anything is if you put the warm heatsink either outside the computer case or someplace where it would vent directly outside. Otherwise you'd just be recycling the heat and adding the peltier-generated heat to the overall system load.

What might work is if you put the cold part in an enclosure and had the case intake pull through that enclosure. The warm side would have to vent into the room in some direction that couldn't be pulled back into the case. It wouldn't be as efficient as putting the peltier right on the CPU, but it might help.

We use peltiers where I work and sometimes the ones used on the experimental systems get tossed out. I'm going to see if I can get my hands on a couple and maybe give this a try. If I get it set up right I could just bolt it over the primary fan intake and see what happens.

[The Overclocker]

stupid idea, it is very expensive and will not change the temp much, and will increase the air temparte of eberything around it, the case will also have to have lots of fans in it to get rid of the added heat

[oc jason]

nice but id say too big and heavy for most boardsm, forget crushing a chip that can break a board

[joatam316]

Nice, but that looks like a 100% board breaker. How much does that wiegh and how many decibles does that put out?

[6502kid]

I bet you a dollar that machine runs while laying on
its side.:rolleyes:

[Garfield]

Originally posted by joatam316
Nice, but that looks like a 100% board breaker. How much does that wiegh and how many decibles does that put out?

When putting it in the case, could you have some fan supports to the top of the case, maybe? They would probably have to be homemade and primitive looking, but hey, it's OCing! :D

Garfield

[Scottland]

that kind of design DOES work....

you people are so critical.... you have the remember... there is NO load being put on that peltier..so it is getting very cold... and therefore make the PEP66 very cold...

he then has a fan sucking cold air off the PEP66 to go to the heat sink with looks like a WBK38 i believe

its not as effeinct as watercooling... but its a great idea for someone who air-cools and has hot ambient tempuratures.

the point of this mod is not to cool off the case tempurates... its to have cold air being blown right over the CPU heatsink

don't be so skeptical people..esspecially of things that you have never tried before...

that mod actually does work... ive seen it on a few other sites

i think athlonoc made an air chiller out of 2 OCZ dominators and he had temps to go with it... it worked great... so try being a little more optimistic :D

[Bender]

I would really like to see some tests if you can find the link to it. The heatsink on the cpu is either a wbk or a fop series heatsink. With this setup you don't even have to worrry about condensation.

[Garfield]

Wouldn't you only have to worry about condensation with water-cooling systems?

[Patchmaster]

you people are so critical.... you have the remember... there is NO load being put on that peltier..so it is getting very cold... and therefore make the PEP66 very cold... The problem is going to be getting rid of the heat being generated by the peltier. The peltier will maintain a temperature differential between the cold side and the hot side. As the ability to dissipate heat from the hot side dimishes as the air in the enclosure heats up, the cold side will become less and less cold. Remember, the peltier effect does not come for free. It adds heat of its own which must be dissipated or it will eventually fail to function as intended. In a closed system the peltier will end up acting like a 55W (or whatever the rating is) heater and you'll be worse off than you were when you started. If you can effectively dissipate the heat from the peltier, then this could work.

The heat dissipation problem is why I suggested this concept would work better as essentially a mini refrigerator attached to the outside of the case, through which chilled air is drawn into the case and blown over the CPU(s).

[Garfield]

Can somebody explain or point me with a link to something that explains what exactly a peltier is? Thanks! :D

Garfield

[dreadlord79]

Try this on for size Garfield:
http://www.arstechnica.com/guide/cooling/peltier-1.html
Hope this helps out in the enlightment of you, my follow. :D

[Garfield]

Thanks for the link! That's pretty interesting. Are peltiers generally expensive cooling ways? It looks like it. Is it risky?

Garfield

[adamtekh]

they r useing a FOP

[ButcherUK]

Originally posted by Scottland
that kind of design DOES work....

you people are so critical.... you have the remember... there is NO load being put on that peltier..so it is getting very cold... and therefore make the PEP66 very cold...


There is a load - the air being warmer imposes a load on the peltier. If you have a normal watercooled TEC setup one of the main reasons for insulating is to reduce losses to the air. The other is of course condensation.

[KILLorBE]

Maybe I'll try something like that (I'm not gonna use it....just for kicks and to give you some temps:D ).

Right now I'm using a PEP66 with a 62W TEC, and the air coming from the PEP66 is 30C+, but my case temp is ONLY 1C above room temp.
OK OK I have 10:eek: intake fans, well its not that bad, 1 92mm fan (Panaflo) in the bottom (Big case on wheels), 2 80mm fans (Sunon) in front, 1 60mm Fan (Sanyo Denki) in back (near my slocket) and 6 40mm fans for the HD(s)...3 ATM, its not that noisy, my screamer makes more noise than those 10 fans together.

Before I'll try that I'm gonna finish my home made dual TEC setup (aircooled) (almost done...had some problems.....its HUGE and I need to measure everything very well, otherwise it won't fit.....about 5mm between PSU and V-card:p ).

Oh I have 4 fans for exhaust, 2x PSU and 2 80mm (Panaflo and some crappy fan from a (dead) PSU.

Garfield it depends, it doesn't have to be expensive and/or risky, My setup was A LOT cheaper than WC, and full load temp is about 26C, but you shouldn't try it with a TB or XP (or any other CPU that puts out more than ~40-50 WATT) but I'm sure it can be done (air cooling a TB or XP useing a TEC), one thing can be expensive....the electricity bill:p , My rig is F@H 24/7 and the TEC uses almost the same as the rest of my rig:( (Monitor not included). I suggest you do some reading on the front page (tips and techniques/peltier) before you take the plunge(sp?).

BTW the project I'm working on was about $30-40, but I'm pretty sure it will be more.....new (or another) PSU for the TEC's (2x 51.4??? or 60??? WATT) and one Delta 80CFM or two generic, probably Sunon fans.

[Yodums]

Great but by the looks of it... It looks like its going to kill my motherboard or something if I do put it on! The thing must weigh a ton.

Yodums

[Garfield]

Originally posted by Yodums
Great but by the looks of it... It looks like its going to kill my motherboard or something if I do put it on! The thing must weigh a ton.

Yodums

But won't you have supporting screws that hold the mobo onto the case siding to prevent that?

[Silversinksam]

Its on the same principle as this bad boy:

http://www.aplussurplus.com/mirror/10200.jpg


http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1694257819

[KILLorBE]

Originally posted by Silversinksam
Its on the same principle as this bad boy:
LOL
Is that a 12 Inch ruler?

It will never fit.....unless I'm gonna use onboard graphics (which I don't have.....and NEVER want to have).:p

[Garfield]

> It will never fit.....unless I'm gonna use onboard graphics (which I don't have.....and NEVER want to have). <

Do you mean an integrated motherboard?

[CrystalMethod]

Originally posted by joatam316
Nice, but that looks like a 100% board breaker. How much does that wiegh and how many decibles does that put out?

I was wondering the same. Even if it's not as efficient as water cooling, it's very inventive.

[POL-tec2002]

wow!!! thats big too big LOL!!!!!!! i would rather have a water cooled sytem than that. Plus it would take up alot of power, wouldnt it?

[dreadlord79]

Garfield------> Do you mean an integrated motherboard? <


Yes. You can buy Mobo's with on-board sound and graphics. These boards are usually OK, but the graphics are usually sub-standard where as some very good dts surrond sound technology is starting to show up and acually work very well. If you are a power user like most of us on the board, you go with a regular Mobo, a good graphics card and a sound card and don't get this built into the Mobo unless it can be turned off in BIOS and doesn't cost any more for the feature.

Garfield------> Are peltiers generally expensive cooling ways? It looks like it. Is it risky? <

Peltiers are not usaully all that expensive, but like KILLorBE said, it's the electric bills that are $$. For a really stabile Peltier cooling set-up, you need either a high power P/S (so it's not over loaded) or a second P/S which is hooked into the first so it can kick-in at the same time. It is kind of risky if you have no other cooling measures on the CPU. If you do go with a Peltier, you have to at least have a HSF on it or an H2O set-up, just in case.

[Garfield]

Yeah, I'm just going to go with four good case fans for air-cooling! :D:D:D

Garfield

[Big Sando]

I have been thinking of doing something like this. My idea is to mount the airchiller, so that the hot side is actually out of the case. The cold side would be mounted inside the case with a duct directly to the HSF. I totally agree that having the entire thing inside the case would be counter-productive.

I am anxious to see some temps and results from anyone.