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Ready for a little watercooling competition? RainMaQer and I are having a friendly waterblock competition to see who can come up with the coolest “pun intended” waterblock design by the end of February. Anyone who wants to join the little competition is encouraged to do so. At the end of February all the waterblocks will be tested and results will be posted.
Rules: ######-REVISED 2/4/02-######
1. Waterblocks must be sent and postmarked by the end of February. If you are outside the US please allow extra shipping time so the blocks arrive in a reasonable time.
2. Waterblocks must be compatible with standard 3/8” OR 1/2" tubing. Heck make it any size as long as I can make it fit my setup.
3. Mounting hardware must be provided for Socket A AMD boards unless the standard 4 hole bolt mounting system is used. 4 hole bolt mounting is highly recommended.
4. Any material and design is acceptable besides direct die cooling blocks. No peltiers or water chillers please.
5. The tester gets to keep all blocks unless you include proper return postage. Please don't ask to be a tester. We have a few people picked out; if they decline I will take responsability for testing the blocks.
So who should join? Anyone that has access to a drill, some metal and a little creativity. I encourage anyone who is interested in watercooling to give this a shot. Remember this is a friendly competition. If you need help on your block we will help you out. The idea is to have fun so have at it and think outside the norm.
Please send me a pm stating that you would like to be in the competition or just reply to this message. If you have any other questions pm me or post and I’ll get back to you ASAP. Happy Overclocking!
Please contact me via PM if you plan on joining the contest so I can give you the address to send your block.
*JEREMY*
02-02-02, 10:45 PM
Sounds like a "cool" idea.I just may enter with a little something:D
Strangelove
02-02-02, 10:46 PM
Probably better if you came up with a way for us to do the test our self’s, I know I'm not going to use >40$ to send my block back and forth to the US to get it tested (although I would like to if I had the money). I know it opens up possibilities for cheats and cons but we will all just have to filter what we think is realistic and what is not. Great idea by the way!!:D
The idea was to have 1 tester to leval the playing field. It would be nice to have your block sent but I know it would cost a bit to ship from denmark. Shipping a block within the us would cost about $4 or so with the USPS. Sorry we cant have multiple testers.
Strangelove
02-02-02, 11:06 PM
I quite understand this!!! ;) can't wait to see which design wins, but wouldn't it be nice if there was some standard for testing HSF and WB's ????
woodenman80
02-03-02, 02:05 AM
It really is a problem shipping out to the US us country yocals in the UK just dont have the cash for round the world water block testing!! lol
But a rocking idea you never know i may just have enough to send a block :)...
Woodenman
ButcherUK
02-03-02, 05:30 AM
I'd enter this little doozy (to give you a laugh), but shipping costs from here are high and I'd have to rebarb it as it's 1/2" barbed right now. It actually works really well, just too small for a TEC so it got bumped for a maze2 ;)
http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~rec108/oldblock.jpg
michael westen
02-03-02, 07:05 AM
great idea but i have to agree whit some the guy's i am also bulding a block and i am verry intrested howe my design hold's up to the rest but for me its also no option to send someting in to the us even if i can finish on time whit it so i wood sugest that you wood have to testers one in the us and one in europe that shut be posible
CrystalMethod
02-03-02, 04:38 PM
I'm building a waterblock, but it's for a slot1 cpu, and it being built to never move from the mobo and case it'll be placed in. :(
Geuss I'll have to watch from the sidelines.
Originally posted by CrystalMethod
I'm building a waterblock, but it's for a slot1 cpu, and it being built to never move from the mobo and case it'll be placed in. :(
Geuss I'll have to watch from the sidelines.
Actually the Slot 1's 4 holes are the exact same as Socket A. I was able to use a Maze2 Socket A block on a Celeron Slot 1 with no mods. If you have any material left over from your block try making another and send it in. I hope we can get enough participation to make things interesting. So far its RainMaQer and I.
RainMaQer
02-03-02, 05:03 PM
And I'm gonna win;) (I shall eat those words someday:D )
brothernod
02-04-02, 12:05 AM
I have an idea or 2 for a waterblock design. But I was planning on half inch connects since I really want to get the most out of my watercooling setup.
Just curious, but is there some kind of reward for this contest??
When will results be posted??
RainMaQer
02-04-02, 02:09 AM
Welcome to the Forums... the prize... Bragging rights :D Not a big contest for a material prize... just a little competition to see who can meet the challenge and rise victorious. And the 3/8 fittings is just for the contest. You could always change them after the contest.
Originally posted by brothernod
I have an idea or 2 for a waterblock design. But I was planning on half inch connects since I really want to get the most out of my watercooling setup.
Just curious, but is there some kind of reward for this contest??
When will results be posted??
Actually I was just thinking the same thing myself. Any ideas on a prize for the winner? I'll probably pick out something I have sitting around but it would be nice to have help thinking of a prize. I might revise the rules to allow for 1/2 fittings. I will have to make up an adapter so the blocks can be easily tested with 1/2. This seems to make the test a little unfair but then again all the blocks will be hooked up to 3/8 tubing. Any (I mean any) thoughts or comments are greatly appreciated.
By the way give a big warm welcome to brothernod. It will be nice to have you around, especially with your knowledge of water cooling.
The Overclocker
02-04-02, 10:26 AM
arse - i would send you one of my blocks but most of them dont fit the rules (some are direct die, some dont have 3/8inch fittings or any socket fittings) infact not one fits the rules - sigh, i know they are good
ButcherUK
02-04-02, 01:32 PM
If you're allowing 1/2" barbs then I'd really consider entering, only thing to put me off is cost of shipping. :(
JFettig
02-04-02, 04:12 PM
you know what i think would be as a good prize?
if everyone sent a dollar along with their block and all that money goes to the winner! or maby $2 or $5 or $10 i dont know?
but thats an idea for a prize
Black Hawk
02-04-02, 05:02 PM
I have an idea for a prize, even though I'm not entering:
Everyone sends in 1-3 dollars apiece, and depending on how much money you get, buy a peice of hardware, like a Case, or something else that makes it worthwhile to enter. (If you get enough money, perhaps a CPU or Vid card would be cool.)
just my $.02
JFettig
02-04-02, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Black Hawk
I have an idea for a prize, even though I'm not entering:
Everyone sends in 1-3 dollars apiece, and depending on how much money you get, buy a peice of hardware, like a Case, or something else that makes it worthwhile to enter. (If you get enough money, perhaps a CPU or Vid card would be cool.)
just my $.02
ehem....
isnt that kinda what i was saying?
i think they would rather get cash instead of a cpu or something...because if they didnt want a cpu they could buy what they wanted....
JFettig
02-04-02, 05:09 PM
id like to send this sweet block of mine but i want to use it....
JFettig
02-04-02, 05:10 PM
im gonna have 2 12v or 2 6v leds instead of that 5v one.. one in each end
Spartacus51
02-04-02, 05:14 PM
I'd be willing to chip in a few bucks, (whether I enter or not probably) on the condition that the winner MUST spend it on something OC related. Or perhaps use the money to by a pump or rad... anyway, good idea, guess I'll have to get started on a good block instead of this copper cap one I threw together just to have.
GL everyone
brothernod
02-04-02, 06:07 PM
At the minimum I think the winner should get theirs shipped back for free.
I'm still working on the design, if I can get one machined in time I'll participate.
Would anyone be willing to answer some design questions for me??
Originally posted by brothernod
At the minimum I think the winner should get theirs shipped back for free.
I'm still working on the design, if I can get one machined in time I'll participate.
Would anyone be willing to answer some design questions for me??
brothernod welcome to the forums!
I'll try and answer your questions if I can.
I'll throw my hat into the ring; assuming that I can get it machined and finished in time.
webmedic
02-04-02, 07:24 PM
If your going to use an adapter anyway, is there some way that a water block with bigger inlets and outlets could be entered. The problems with mine are that they use 5/8 and it's not a barb. There is no way at all to change that but if an adapter is being used anyway everyone is more or less on a level playing field regardles of the size of barbs.
here are some examples:
the silver block
http://community.webshots.com/album/30591091AJTJcfZzkJ
the alpha block
http://community.webshots.com/album/30556976fWLpIMxkEt
they are both taken next to pictures of a maze2 so you can get an idea of the size of the barbs.
If your block didn't qualify please read the revised rules. I am now letting any size tubing in the competition as long as I can rig up an adapter for it. I am still thinking up a prize so bear with me.
Hey I might consider this but please clarify the rules..does the water block have to be a custom design? Or say can it be a converted HS? Are fans allowed (stupid question). A prize humm yea a couple bucks would be ok and if it helps I'll build a killer trophy for the first place and donate it........how's that?
Stay Cool
Pepsi:cool:
Originally posted by Pepsi
Hey I might consider this but please clarify the rules..does the water block have to be a custom design? Or say can it be a converted HS? Are fans allowed (stupid question). A prize humm yea a couple bucks would be ok and if it helps I'll build a killer trophy for the first place and donate it........how's that?
Stay Cool
Pepsi:cool:
Converted heatsinks are fine. As long as the block is 100% leakproof :eek: I have no problems with it. I think we may do the cash prize thing if everyone is up to it. Give me some more feadback on what you think about this prize. I don't want anyone left out so if you can chip in a few bucks thats fine if you cant thats ok to. We didn't get a tester yet so I will probably be testing the blocks. If I end up testing them I will still be putting my block in the competition but I won't be qualified for a prize. Since I am a little leary about using my Athlon setup as a testbed I will probably use my Celeron system. It is a socket 370 board but I plan on epoxying threaded standoffs to the it and screwing the 4 nylon posts into them. This way I can test blocks that use the socket tabs or standard AMD 4 bolt pattern. Basically anything goes as long as I don't have to glue the block to the board and I don't have to spend hours riging up hose adapters.
brothernod
02-06-02, 12:36 PM
I'm not sure how much truth there is to this, but I think some waterblock designs are much more efficient at higher temperatures. What I mean is that 2 waterblocks might perform the same on a low heat cpu, but when you drop them on a frying t-bird one block might fly ahead in performance.
Do the celeron's produce as much heat as an athlon test bed would??
How about a spankin new GeForce 4??
I'd be kewl with a trophy and getting a write up about your block posted on one of the hardware sites, now that would be a great reward, like if you got overclockers.com or hardocp to post an article about the winner's block.
Brothernod your on the right track about efficiency. An athlon would be better since it puts out much more heat. The blocks efficiencly won't change it just becomes more difacult to compair blocks. With the celeron I will just have to be more caferful measuring the temps. I use an external probe good to a tenth of a degree so it shouldn't be much of a problem. For a prize a Geforce4 would be nice but it would take a lot of people chipping in to much money. A pump would be something most of the people in the competition would like but money is so much more universal. With cash you can buy your own prize.
brothernod
02-06-02, 02:07 PM
Cash is always kewl, and your right a vid card is too expensive.
How many entrants are there??
pudgy-duck
02-06-02, 02:59 PM
Bender;
I just finished etching the Printed Circuit Board, and assembling my second XP Diode reader utilizing a MAXIM MAX6657. It is working on my IWILL KK266-R as I write this. It's currently reading 84 F/29 C degrees with my Alpha 8045 on an Athlon XP 1600+.
I don't need two. If you guys would like, I can send it to you and you can use it to measure CPU temps. Would be better to use an Athlon XP and utilize the on die diode, if one could be made available. Just a thought.
Then when the contest is finished, you could throw it in as part of the prize package. Or not, you might want to keep it as your reward for being the judge?
Anyway, just thought I'd make the offer. Let me know.
Pudge
webmedic
02-06-02, 03:03 PM
Any chance you could make a few more for others?
Bender ....
The offer still stands I'll donate a KILLER trophy ... And count me in I'll sign-up. Hey how about this the winner gets ALL the other waterblocks kind of like racing for pinkslips eh?
Stay Cool
Pepsi
Pudge how cool, nice offer. He has a point say we tossed in a couple of bucks and found in our collections a DECENT piece of computer hardware OR software to donate as part of the prize? I know everyone out there has something they won't miss.
brothernod
02-06-02, 03:14 PM
umm, I think I have the simpson's arcade game on 5 1/4 floppy disks that I might be willing to chip in as part of the prize.
that's really kewl about you donating the temp reader... I was thinking about making one myself, are they hard to make??
I think money and a trophy are probably the best prizes because of the fact that we all need and want different things (for example I'm just building my watercooling kit so I don't need a new pump or anything) and sorri, but I'm not donating my block to the winner if I participate, it'll be my first and I plan to keep it :)
Pudgy-duck I would take you up on your offer but I don't have an XP right now. I may be able to get one by the time we have the competition. It would make testing a lot easier and more accurate. I really appreciate the offer. How do you hook up the sensor anyway. I am handy with soldering so that wouldnt be a problem.
Pepsi sounds like an Idea you have there. What did you have in mind for a prize? I cant give the winner all the blocks since I know a few people that would die if they couldent get theres back. RainMaQer is using top secret materials for his block so he cant part with it.
If you guys want me to use an XP you can chip in a few bucks so I can pay the difference from my 1.4 athlon. We can have Pepsis mistery prize and possibly a pump or something like that from me for prizes. The first place contestant could chose his prize and second place would get whatever is left. What do guys think; this is your contest.
JFettig
02-06-02, 03:31 PM
dang, if i can get a peice of copper or if you'd let me enter my direct die block id enter!
Bender,
Actually I have an idea for a trophy would any of you out there mind sending me your trashed AMD chips? I .......ah have a box full......no comments plz. :rolleyes:
Stay Cool
Pepsi
The idea is one of a few for a trophy I have
Sory pepsi I don't have any RIP AMDs. I havn't killed one yet
Here is yet another block I have made but havn't shown off yet.
http://www.daocplace.com/~bender/maze3.jpg
Thats the inside which has been hand milled with my Fordom flexi shaft tool.
http://www.daocplace.com/~bender/cumaze.jpg
Here is the block with a 1/4" copper base
Nice scam pal. Good way to get a few free waterblocks.
RainMaQer
02-06-02, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by Brant
Nice scam pal. Good way to get a few free waterblocks.
Tell me your joking and not slapping Bender and I in the face ;)
Bender (and everyone else) I've been thinking and reading though these posts about a prize... Why is it necessary? Does someone need compensation for their good work? I don't feel it necessary at ALL. This was meant as a "FRIENDLY COMPETITION"... not an all out contest... If a prize is required for someone to partake in the competition... could that person please explain why you feel this is so?;)
Originally posted by Brant
Nice scam pal. Good way to get a few free waterblocks.
Scam; try reading the rules. People get there blocks back they just have to pick up shipping. Anyway why on earth would I need another block. I have blocks coming out the wazooooo.
Sorry I just saw the first post. I bet you will be left with a few, lol
JFettig
02-07-02, 03:08 PM
well of course he probably will be left with ones that arent wanted.... or dont need back....
if they would do direct die cooling i have a block that i made and would be a performer but is so easy and cheap to make id let him have it...it would be more like a gift to him for doing this
Bender, would an air and water-cooled heatsink be allowed? The hs could be tested with water only and tested with the fan on as well. It could be understood that the reading with the fan on was unofficial. I am working on an air-cooled hs watermod that I would like to enter in the competition as long as I could get it back. Thanks.
The Overclocker
02-08-02, 08:18 AM
how about chipset cooling. i have a block which attaches to a chipset with the pin things?
i hope to have a waterblock design that is none direct die fits the guidlines ready soon. (infact i hvan't started it but if i do you can have it)
CrystalMethod
02-08-02, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by Kentucky Fried Bird
Bender, would an air and water-cooled heatsink be allowed? The hs could be tested with water only and tested with the fan on as well. It could be understood that the reading with the fan on was unofficial. I am working on an air-cooled hs watermod that I would like to enter in the competition as long as I could get it back. Thanks.
Hehehe, my design is going to have a fan on it as well. Don't think it'll do much, but it's worth a shot. Who knows? Maybe during the course of the competition, we'll come across a design that becomes the standard. Now THAT would be cool.
CrystalMethod I already talked with Kentucky Fried Bird and I told him fans were fine for the competition. By the way blue looks really good on you!
The Overclocker I really dont have a good way to test chipset blocks out. If we had more competition it would be fun.
JFettig
02-08-02, 11:44 PM
what about gpu blocks? i just made one.....maby ill make another for this competition
Sorry maskedgeek I'm sticking to CPU cooling. If you have a good design for a Video block or chipset block I'm shure you can think of a good CPU design.
CrystalMethod
02-09-02, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by Bender
CrystalMethod I already talked with Kentucky Fried Bird and I told him fans were fine for the competition. By the way blue looks really good on you!
The Overclocker I really dont have a good way to test chipset blocks out. If we had more competition it would be fun.
What about the simulated die test? Can you get your hands on Ed's, (I think that's who has one) for testing out the blocks?
JFettig
02-09-02, 01:07 PM
actually i have one...and im running it but the contact with my core isnt that great so its running a little warm
i just set it all up...
brothernod
02-09-02, 04:23 PM
simulated die??
JFettig
02-09-02, 04:59 PM
nope sorry for the confusion i dont have a simulated die thingy...
i ment i actually i have a good cpu block design
well its not that great...
im testing it rite now on my tbird 800@1050 40c idle 45c load
case temp 30c and 24c
brothernod
02-09-02, 05:07 PM
I got a question, how powerful is the pump being used?? I think my waterblock design will need a decent strenght pump to perform.
I'll probably be using my 300 GPH Maxi-Jet for the testing. I have been contemplating a higher output pump but most likely I won't have it by the time of the test.
CrystalMethod
02-10-02, 03:17 AM
Originally posted by brothernod
simulated die??
Check it out. (http://www.overclockers.com/tips263/index02.asp)
Ill join in this little foray. That is if I can get my block done in time. Just for the fyi, it will be a plexi block with a silver contact on the die. The barbs will connect to 1/2" OD hose. I think this follows the rules of the contest, let me know if they dont.
As far as a prize, I would be willing to chip in a few bucks for the winner, as long as I can get my block back as well! :D Which of course Ill supply the money for return shipping as well.
I might be able to throw in a heater core for part of a prize as well if anyone would be interested in that.
This post deleted by its "derogatory and insulting" author so that it will not be (so) necessary
"to defend the little guys against the tyranny of the know-it-alls."
Not to be a wet blanket, but the previous post has a definate point. Plus the added measure no hardware could possibly get trashed during the testing. The truth is to control all the aspects water flow, heat applied so that they were the same on every test would be very difficult using the same PC for every test. I forgot what the duration of the was, but possibly the awnser is for the testing duration to be quite long take readings at specified times and average the results. This might be what you have planned I don't know. Either way it sounds like it could be an interesting competition. I must also say we should have a certain amount of trust that things will be fair and accurate. I just don't know it could be done other than what I saw in the link in the previous post. Has anyone out there got the talent and resources to build a gadget like that? I can't in my present financial state or I'd do it. I really don't think that this is such a big issue that we can't solve this and get everybody on the same page. I'll think about it perhaps in some small way I can help instead being a wet blanket.
Stay Cool
Pepsi:cool:
P.S. I'd love to see someone else test my prototype work I'm tired of blowing up things.;)
natopotato
02-12-02, 01:40 AM
i have to agree with the previus 2 posts.....
nato
Hellraiser
02-12-02, 04:28 AM
i would love to join but right now i am busy completing my full plexi case.
although can someone tell me what the shipping would cost from europe ( austria ) to the states?
can u give me an adress where i could send the block if i find time to make one?
thx
Sorry I didn't respond sooner but I have some very good newse for the competition. Joe Citarella is going to be our official waterblock tester. If you have read any of his heatsink tests you will see why he is the best man for this job. We are still talking over exactly what the test is going to concist of but I'll let you know as soon as possible. Everyone make shure to thank Joe for doing all this testing for us. I cant express how happy I am now that we have such a capable tester.
Very cool! How may I ask did you get this done....(just being nosey)
Stay Cool
Pepsi
brothernod
02-15-02, 12:46 AM
So what's the status on participants and a prize.
how much is everyone contributing?? just don't want to be under par on this (assuming my block gets done in time).
I finished the design, just calculated the final measurements an hour ago, and the beta block will hopefully be machined tommorrow. ::Crosses fingers the design works well ::
Thanks for asking brothernod. For a prize you can send in any computer related parts you have as long as you can part with them easily. If no one has anything to send in we still have some possible prizes which will probably be kept secret until the competition has been won. Please don't feal obligated to send anything in if you don't want to. The point of this competition is to have some light hearted rivalry between your OC pals. A money prize would be nice but I don't think its a great idea.
The Overclocker
02-17-02, 04:23 AM
Originally posted by BillA
Bender, don't want to rain on your parade
BUT
I think you should actually do some testing BEFORE you tell the world "how" and "what" you're going to do
from 2 years of experience, and many thousands of $$, I can assure you that:
testing wbs is FAR more difficult than you understand
(the key words here are resolution, accuracy, significant digits, and repeatability)
another take on a heat die is here (http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?threadid=266016)
and here is an excerpt from an actual test
load W . . flow . . . die T . . bp T . . inlet T . outlet T . C/W . . Btus*. . Watts . %eff
45.00 . .2.0/7.57 . . 36.5 . . 27.1 . . 25.00 . . 25.08 . . 0.256 . . 144 . . . 42.2 . . 94
45.01 . .1.5/5.68 . . 36.7 . . 27.3 . . 25.00 . . 25.11 . . 0.260 . . 148 . . . 43.4 . . 96
45.01 . .1.0/3.79 . . 37.2 . . 27.7 . . 25.00 . . 25.17 . . 0.271 . . 153 . . . 44.8 . . 99
45.01 . .0.5/1.89 . . 38.2 . . 28.7 . . 25.00 . . 25.33 . . 0.293 . . 148 . . . 43.4 . . 94
75.02 . .2.0/7.57 . . 45.0 . . 29.4 . . 25.00 . . 25.14 . . 0.267 . . 234 . . . 68.6 . . 91
75.02 . .1.5/5.68 . . 45.4 . . 29.8 . . 25.00 . . 25.18 . . 0.272 . . 243 . . . 71.2 . . 95
75.02 . .1.0/3.79 . . 46.1 . . 30.4 . . 25.00 . . 25.28 . . 0.281 . . 251 . . . 73.6 . . 98
75.02 . .0.5/1.89 . . 47.8 . . 32.0 . . 25.00 . . 25.56 . . 0.304 . . 251 . . . 73.6 . . 98
105.04 .2.0/7.57 . . 53.3 . . 31.6 . . 25.00 . . 25.19 . . 0.269 . . 341 . . . 99.9 . . 95
105.04 .1.5/5.68 . . 53.9 . . 32.1 . . 25.00 . . 25.26 . . 0.275 . . 350 . . . 102.6 . . 98
105.04 .1.0/3.79 . . xxxx . . 33.0 . . 25.00 . . 25.39 . . xxxxx . . 350 . . . 102.6 . . 98
105.04 .0.5/1.89 . . 56.9 . . 35.2 . . 25.00 . . 25.77 . . 0.304 . . 346 . . . 101.4 . . 97
tenths will not get it done
most values on this table were initially recorded in thousandths, then rounded to fit the page
a Btu is a rather small number, high resolution IS essential
be cool
i do understand that verything needs to be covered in order to find which is the best, but this is just a friendly competetion which will envolve lots of different waterblocks making it easier to find a clear winner just by looking at the temparture. however it will not, and probably cannot be fair due to the huge ammount of variables presented with different people using different designs.
Most people just plug in a heatsink or waterblock, if their computer seems to be running cooler they are oftern happy with it and will continue using it in preference to the one it replaced. in the end it does not matter if it is better.
possably there should be different awards such as best made block, best performing block, best looking block and easiest to use block?
Err, what system is it going to be tested on? I mean what happens if something like directdie kills the chip? Just very curious, I don't plan to enter :D
The Overclocker
02-17-02, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by Yodums
Err, what system is it going to be tested on? I mean what happens if something like directdie kills the chip? Just very curious, I don't plan to enter :D
direct die is a no no. just as well to, there is no safe way of using it yet.
brothernod
02-17-02, 04:52 PM
I'm definitely supporting the idea of there being a nice write up on this... where everyone who participated gets mentioned and the winner's design gets flaunted. Ya know, to give them more credit where they deserve it.
We still at only 5 blocks??
Also, will we be able to find out exactly how our block compared to other people's?? I'm getting my first block machined on monday, and I'm planning on using this competition as my test to see how good my design really is and such. So i'd like to take as much from this as possible.
So I was just curious how's everything going? T-minus a few days till testing starts? I still want to get in, but I have been lazy and dazed watching Twisters in my kitchen and haven't posted my block to you. So to date you have 5 blocks in your possession for testing? Man you'd think a site like this would have a few more people that had something they thought was worthy to enter. This is typical of inventions their makers are their own worst critic. As am I.
Stay Cool
Pepsi
JFettig
02-18-02, 05:55 PM
if i had a 1/8in copper plate, id enter.....
thats all i need, besides what i have...
mlakrid
02-19-02, 11:06 AM
Hey guyz and Galz,
Im new to overclockers, and while I have overclocked all my CPU's I had never heard of water-cooling until about 3 weeks ago when I found your posts about it. I am going to build 1 for myself and would like any and all info you could help me with that will get me on the right track. Any takers? Im an electronics Tech and have plenty of experience tearing down and rebuilding CPU's its the machining that I want the info specifically on. Please reply here or email me at: mlakrid@yahoo.com THANKS for all the helpful info here.
P.S. my current system only has a 12% overclock from 350 to 392
Like you all really cared eh?
Mike A!
webmedic
02-19-02, 07:47 PM
Is it to late to send it. I just wanted to know if not were do I send it to it can be in the mail tomarrow.
Originally posted by mlakrid
P.S. my current system only has a 12% overclock from 350 to 392
Like you all really cared eh?
Mike A!
Hey man, its 12% more than what you were getting right? :D Then it rocks!~! :D
Hehehe
But a little bad news.. dont think Ill be able to have my block finished in time..... Had a few troubles getting everything to line up right and I havent been able to cut the metal.. been working too much... sorry folks... Maybe next time!~!
brothernod
02-19-02, 10:11 PM
well, hopefully the block is mostly finished with it's machining, but mounting the barbs is gonna be a major pain since their 1/2 inch and my block is really small...errrr. I'll be figuring that out tommorrow.
Would it be possible to get an estimate on the turn around time of the competition??
Ralphing
02-20-02, 02:12 PM
Maybe I missed something... where do we ship em too?
Brothernod I cant say how long the turn around is. I'll talk to Joe but I doubt we can give a specific date.
The Blocks will be shipped to Joe. I'll pm the contenders with info for shipping pretty soon.
brothernod
02-21-02, 09:05 PM
::cries:: production problems
it's taking longer than expected to mill it, and having problems with mounting the barbs and the lexan
::cries::
I hope I can get it done intime I really wanna see if my design holds any merit.
Newbie_Doo
02-23-02, 08:18 PM
Can I enter mine???
I have to get it back though, it is my last one. :)
Newbie_Doo
02-23-02, 08:20 PM
The inside:
Looks great Newbie_Doo. From what I remember that block was as good or better than a maze2. This should give some great competition for the other blocks.
Newbie_Doo
02-24-02, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by Bender
Looks great Newbie_Doo. From what I remember that block was as good or better than a maze2. This should give some great competition for the other blocks.
Funny thing is, right now I am using a Maze-1 because I wanted to get my T-bird cooled and I didn't have time to engineer a four-hole mount for my KA266. Danger Den makes a nice Plexi mounting plate, it just doesn't work with this block. :(
T i t 4 n 1 u M
02-25-02, 04:07 PM
How does fridge cooling really work, how much does it cost?
Please ICQ Me: 50761342
If no reply, i may post a topic
Thanks for your help
Also, where do i go to edit my signature?
Welcome to overclockers.com T i t 4 n 1 u M!
There are many ways to use a mini fridge for cooling. The easiest is to place your radiator in the fridge so you are cooling the water with cold air. Some people take it a step further and use the internals of the fridge to directly cool the cpu. If you post this in a new thread in cooling you will probably get a much better response.
The cooling competition may be running a little behind schedule. Joe is very buisy and I havn't been able to get ahold of him. Keep chuging away at thos block designs because the blocks will need to be sent in soon. I will postpone the date a little but only as long as needed.
How about we just put them in a tank of gas and set them all on fire...and see which lasts the longest :P then we send them back to the people who made them :P
i have run into problems getting my copper block drilled. i don't know if i wil have it ready for the competition or not. damn i wish i had a drill press (or a friend with one)!
are there shops that will do it for a fee? i know i'm ignorant, but help me out please?
mlakrid
03-01-02, 06:37 AM
I was hoping to have the copper block I ordered in by the last week in Feb. It wasnt to be, I will be able to use the milling machine I have here at work. Only problem Is im not sure what type of design to us. everyone remember theier first time building a block? well thas where I am please send me any ideas/encouragement ILL NEED IT. I've never tried to fab something like this. I was thinking a W design through the block like the Maze Blocks i saw being sold. Also, what size pump should I use I.E. how many Gallons per/min? 2, 3, 5, 10, MORE? and what size barbs to use? PLEAS PLEASE PLEASE. you all have done this before, Im a little worried and that an understatemnet. Thanks for the encouragement I did recieve so far.
Mike A
Kentucky Fried Bird you have run into troubles and so have we. The contest will be postponed for 2-4 weeks. Make shure you get those blocks done and ready for competition. As for a prize; we won't be doing cash but if you have some doodad you can send for the winners block thats fine.
Mlakrid a maze style design is a very good choice. For a lot of the people here this is also there first time making a block. I really don't have a clue what design is the best and thats why it will be so fun to have this competition. For barbs most people use 3/8" with a 1/4" NPT thread or 1/2" with a 1/4" NPT. You should be able to find atleast the 3/8" barbs at any local hardware store.
mlakrid
03-01-02, 10:44 AM
Bender,
Thanks for the info, I will enter one of my waterblocks If I can build 2 in time, OBVIOUSLY will choose the one I think will work the best I am getting a Large block of Copper for my Block(s). You didnt address the last portion of my post which was; what kind, type of pump. I.E. Name brands that are reliable (waranties), and the GPM I should be shooting for. I thank you for your reply and look forward to all the other responses ill get from you all in the next couple of days. Please feel free to email me if you dont want to post here at mlakrid@yahoo.com
Your Rookie Water-block entry hopeful,
Mike A
Alexandria, VA.
Sorry mlakrid I ment to answare that. A pump around 25-350 GPH is what most people use. Eheim is probably the best but Danner is also a very good pump. I have an inexpensive Maxi-Jet 1200 295 GPH and a Danner 1.9 200 GPH. Both pumps are nice quality and seem quite reliable. I have run the Maxi-Jet 24/7 for over half a year and it has be wonderful.
mlakrid
03-01-02, 02:27 PM
Hey Bender,
Do you have any ideas of where I could get those water pumps, I.E. Local Hardware store? Or a particular web page? I will at least be able to send my aluminum block. If what I read about the testing being postponed for a few weeks. Can I still enter? I would love to see how I would do with an aluminum block, it is a high grade aluminum used in industrial manufacturing and has great thermal characteristics. I even know it does have copper in the metal mix used to make it. Well I hope to have it 100% complete by this saturday so, please someone lemme know if I can still enter.
Waterblock Rookie,
Mike A
mlakrid
03-01-02, 02:28 PM
ALSO,
Can we have multiple entries?
Mike A
RainMaQer
03-01-02, 02:30 PM
I know Petsmart has Danner pumps. Petsmart can be found online and they also have retail stores. Not sure where to find the ehiem... most likely online. Check for a Petsmart OR a local petstore and see what they have. My local petstore can order danner pumps :D
Mlakrid its fine if you still want to join the contest. You can send as many blocks for the test as you would like.
Here (http://www.marinedepot.com/a_ph_mj.asp?CartId=) you can find the Maxi-Jet 1200 for only $18.95. They also have danner pumps quite cheep.
JFettig
03-01-02, 03:18 PM
i wanna make this but dont have a cnc, and if any of you were wondering on a design maby you could give it a shot
*edit* maby use a plex top with the 4 mounting holes...
The Overclocker
03-05-02, 11:06 AM
no block from me - i am in a bit of a money problem at the moment (i dont have any) i have just bought £180 worth of bits from my amp. but i am working very hard to make new WB designes so if this competetion becomes annual then next year expect me to be in.
mlakrid
03-05-02, 01:50 PM
Which Pump is the quietest(for the money) and which is better the submersibles or non-submersibles? I got my copper in today, need suggestions ASAP.
MIKE A!
For price performance and sound a danner is probably your best bet. The 250-350 GPH model is probably what you want.
W00T!! i am # 100 reply on this thred !!:D
i deserve one more star:cool:
Please contact me via PM if you plan on joining the contest so I can give you the address to send your block.
The blocks should sent within a week or so. If you have a problem getting your block finished let me know so something can be worked out. I would like everyone who wanted to join to have the chance of entering a block. As long as you have a working block please send it in. Having fun and seeing what designs work best is the key to this competitions succses. If all goes as planned we could possibly make the waterblock competition an anual event. Stay cool and stay dry :p
IRONMAN
03-14-02, 10:27 PM
No matter how this turns out. Good luck to you all!
brothernod
03-18-02, 04:52 PM
Has anyone shipped their blocks yet??
I just finished mine and I wanted to make sure the contest was still on before I go shipping my block to someone I don't know.
webmedic
03-18-02, 04:57 PM
I shipped mine last week. It should be there by now.
brothernod
03-18-02, 06:13 PM
Has anyone shipped anything with their blocks??
I'm looking around to see if I have any prize worthy objects to contribute.
just wondering what everyone else was up to.
webmedic
03-18-02, 06:26 PM
well no I couldn't find anything of a decent size. But i do have some ramsinks by thermaltake I wouldn't mind throwing in.
brothernod
03-28-02, 12:14 PM
So is there an update on the competition??
Testing should begin soon.
Who ever sent in blocks chime in, what's the competition like??
webmedic
03-28-02, 01:23 PM
I sent mine in about 3 weeks ago. I sent the first revision of the block but am now on the 3rd revision and the forth revision will be done in afew weks with a completely new design using plexiglass.
Here are some pics of it:
http://community.webshots.com/album/30591091AJTJcfZzkJ
The current version 3 is giveing me about the same temps with an athlon xp 1700 overclocked to 1616mhz
Next week the testing should take place. Once the article is done test results will be posted. I didnt get the block I wanted to enter done in time so I threw in my water orb. I used it a little while but I really want to see what it will do against a good copper block. Since Joe is testing the blocks hopefully we will be able to compair everything to all the heatsink and waterblock tests he has done.
webmedic
03-28-02, 06:27 PM
Is it to late to send at least one more to him. I have a newer version that I would like to have tested. From my own testing it cools better than my original design.
Send it on in as soon as you can and it will be ok. You can ship priority mail for about $3.50 for 2-3 day. To bad my copper will be here to late for my new design.
webmedic
03-28-02, 08:10 PM
Thanks for the reply my new does better than the older one.
So when is the expected date of completion?
r0ckstarbob
04-08-02, 06:41 PM
great thread guys - thought i'd just drop by and give the head nod....
.. AE 86 ..
04-09-02, 09:16 AM
can i still send mine now
Sorry .. AE 86 .. all the blocks are being tested already. I hope we can have this contest again next year so thing up a good design and we can really have some competition.
brothernod
04-12-02, 10:48 AM
ooooooo
it must be so close to completion
I wanna know how everything went. I want my block back so I can watercool :) no more loud delta 7k. hehe
btw kudos to you Bender for arranging all this. very kewl
Dissolved
04-14-02, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by Bender
Sorry .. AE 86 .. all the blocks are being tested already. I hope we can have this contest again next year so thing up a good design and we can really have some competition.
hoes it going Bender?
Stephen Castles
04-14-02, 10:35 PM
this is like the first time i've been in this forum for awhile, anyways it's too bad i missed out because i was done building a cheap water block (cost me nothing) and it took all of 30 min to build :D Anyways i hope you guys hold this contest again so i can enter my block and it will kick everyones arse ! (ya right....)
:D
Just to keep you up to date... The results will be up before you know it. I cant say exactly when but it will be soon. The blocks look interesting so keep your eyes pealed.
Its up :) http://www.overclockers.com/articles566/
brothernod
04-19-02, 08:56 AM
Holy crap I won....this is kewl.
thanks for holding this bender, now I have some faith in my design :) I can't wait to get it back and actually use it.
JFettig
04-19-02, 08:59 AM
congrats brothernod!!!!
im makin my new waterblocks today! on the cnc in school!!! but sorry no pics for now
they are INSANE!!!!!!!!!!
Roger24
04-19-02, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by Bender
Actually the Slot 1's 4 holes are the exact same as Socket A. I was able to use a Maze2 Socket A block on a Celeron Slot 1 with no mods. If you have any material left over from your block try making another and send it in. I hope we can get enough participation to make things interesting. So far its RainMaQer and I.
Does this apply to Slot A too, so I could use a Socket A waterblock made for the 4 holes around the socket on a Slot A cpu?
Roger24
04-19-02, 11:10 AM
brothernod, do the channels split in two, then meet at the other barb?
It reminded me somewhat of the second design in this thread http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72514 , but I could be wrong :)
Anyway, congratulations, good job.
pudgy-duck
04-19-02, 01:42 PM
brothernod;
Congratulations on a job well done. You were the clear cut winner. How did you cut the maze? With a mill? The maze looked excellent. What was the thickness between the bottom of the channels and the Bottom of the block? Don't stop there, keep experimenting!!!
Stay Cool
Pudge
brothernod
04-20-02, 11:03 AM
Thanks guys, i'm totally suprized by this. Man did this make my day :D
The block was made with a mill by someone at work for me. They aren't the machine guy there and they couldn't finish the whole thing in one sitting, so the machining wasn't perfect. but it came out good enough.
The only inspiration for the design came from me and my 2 friends brainstorming for 2 days during lunch. Russell had the key concept in the design, and my dad came out with the final variation closest resembling what I finalized on. the bottom of the block is...uhh, I can't remember. it's less than .25 inch...i'm not sure, i'll measure when I get my block back.
the uneducated concept :) behind the design was that if we take the water in 2 directions it stays cooler and can absorb more heat. the center ridge in each channel only goes half height and was to create more surface area.
what I would like to know is how those results compare with something like a spiral or a maze2/maze3. any ideas??
Stephen Castles
04-20-02, 11:35 AM
only 4 people entered ? or were those the top 4 ?
Stephen Castles
04-20-02, 11:43 AM
BTW are is there gonna be another contest ? because i have 2 blocks built from junk that was laying around.
brothernod
04-20-02, 11:47 AM
I think only 4 people entered. but I'm wondering if some people didn't enter because they were skeptical.
well now that it's been done, and I can vouch I got my block back, more people will be willing to enter next time.
thanks again to Bender and Joe for doing this.
A few others really wanted to join but they couldn't get things together on time. Hopefully next time a lot more blocks will be entered.
brothernod
04-21-02, 01:15 AM
Bender, could you address my question about how well my block would compare to a commercial block??
thanks.
Brothernod check out Joes Die simulator to see how they compair. http://www.overclockers.com/articles373/
JFettig
04-27-02, 09:35 AM
so do you know if there is gonna be anymore waterblock competitions? i have a few ideas that are gonna be here soon, one next week maby 2, gotta draw the second one out, i got the idea though
Keep the ideas coming guys. I think sometime down the road we will have another competition. I'll let you know if anything is being planned.
Audioaficionado
05-05-02, 07:36 PM
It looks you could do the same thing as Pudge if you took a large heavy copper pipe endcap and then concentricly brazed successivly smaller pipe sizes opened up. There is a high temp silver based brazing rod called 'silver solder' at the plumbing shop. The trick is to not melt the previous braze step while doing the next one. The most heat would be required when brazing to the heavy base plate. It'll get red hot using this method but it'll never leak if done right.
JFettig
05-06-02, 07:08 PM
my new block gets a .125 c/w!!! im fer sher entering it to the next one!
mlakrid
05-07-02, 03:32 PM
Well guys it has been a while since I posted last. Obviously since I didnt get my block there in time I wasnt finished with it. the original Aluminum block was done but I wasnt sure that it would have the cooling capability that the others using copper or silver would have. I will be there with multiple entries next year. CONGRATS to Brother NOD! GJ man@! I didnt see what kind of design you have can you repost it?
Waterblock rookie sends his regards!!
wildfrogman
10-23-02, 10:15 PM
Hmm, really getting into waterblock stuff and this was/is a really good idea. Sort of trying to find the best home made~custom waterblock to get some more ideas out. I have been up to a few designs that are much much easier than the first block i have been working on. I can put it together for really cheap and it should perform pretty good compaired to other blocks out. I would really like to see another custom block round up.
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