View Full Version : Team Racers Report in!!!
Hot off the presses, here are your teams ladies and gentlemen. Team captains are listed in bold, let's race! And have a good time! If anyone has any questions feel free to ask.
J
SpeeDj
Chawken
Thelemac
Mictlan
lonewolf
Heiss
Rickdstik
ymNA - Duron 750@1065
Wookie8662
Jon
Landshark
killem1x1
Firehawk
Yodums
bob xp1600+
zangler
Cyklopz (Cy)
Sir-Epix
rogerdugans
Team Fowler
Basher
acaridans
13oots
SDRR
TC
Godfodda
zouo
Morpheus(Kris)
RED Hot Machine
Bodezafa
Jaws
vodka314
Just a quick post to welcome everyone to the race and may the best team win!
TEAM CY
We need to immediatately mobilize all our resources to fend off the coming hordes! Crunch, tweak, OC till it hurts!
Now move it people!
Cy ;)
Sir-Epix
02-03-02, 11:13 PM
Trust me they don't stand a chance. They will be dusted in know time. I am upgrading my farm as I type this. Buh Bye other Teams!
<waves>
Hey team :D..
As for the other teams prepared to be owned :)
Yodums
Sir-Epix
02-03-02, 11:19 PM
I forgot to ask these questions:
One: Did you guys record everyones starting place, so I can keep my stats?
Two: Carl when are you getting your five dual 1900++ MP's in?
Let's just say I happen to know what new hardware my team members will be running shortly :D
Sir-Epix
02-03-02, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by TC
Let's just say I happen to know what new hardware my team members will be running shortly :D
Please do tell...if you do I might tell you what I am upgrading my farm too. We could umm swap info, or if you like you can just guess once my stats update. HEHEHEHE.
Thelemac
02-03-02, 11:37 PM
Nice! :)
Go Team Speedy!
Godfodda
02-04-02, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by TC
Let's just say I happen to know what new hardware my team members will be running shortly :D
Have another deal waiting to happen? :D
FYI, I got smart and started playing with the multiplier on one of the Athlons. 1400@1600 and waiting to see what happens overnight. And thanks to eobard's front page article I'm playing with TOTAL negative pressure with a big frickin' duct right over it. Running at 13C over case temp... a nice 4C drop. Woohoo!
Oh yeah, and early condolences to the other teams. :p
LandShark
02-04-02, 12:19 AM
it seems quite even (rough calculation tho....) every team.
well, let's hit the full power button, Team Wookie! ! ! ;)
btw, when does it start & end??
vodka314
02-04-02, 01:00 AM
WOOOT GO TEAM TC!!! YEAH!! WOOT
zangler
02-04-02, 01:58 AM
other teams.....take a lesson on how to lose from the Rams...you will need it!!!! go team wookie!!!!!!
vodka314
02-04-02, 02:03 AM
So, when is this officially starting?? (I really hope I have my 1.3 installed and oced before it starts, but if not... oh well)
started a little while ago, I took initial stats
Sir-Epix
02-04-02, 07:45 AM
What are we racing to? And I think I will let some of my secret out of the bag...Check Sig for my farm upgrade, but I am not done YET!
rogerdugans
02-04-02, 08:04 AM
Hello to All Participants!
This is gonna be good.....
I would like to offer my condolences......to all those who are NOT on Team Cy: Good try guys, but we WILL win! <LOL>
Upgrader's: start your credit cards!
And they're off!
lonewolf1983
02-04-02, 08:33 AM
team SPEEDY
that has a certain ring to it
:)
oh and btw,im doubling my output by upgrading to a
tbird 1.4....
:D
Lets go team!!!
oh yeah and good luck to the other teams *cough*
Hey Speed,
Can we get sicky for the race updates?
Also, Basher what can we expect the updates schedule to be for this race?
Thanks for all the work guys.
Cy
Morpheus
02-04-02, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by TC
Let's just say I happen to know what new hardware my team members will be running shortly :D
I'm following the tracking numbers... upgrade/new build ASAP :D :D
Happy Crunching!!!
race to 5k updates on saturdays
Sir-Epix
02-04-02, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by Basher
race to 5k updates on saturdays
Could you atleast enter in the outline and starting postion, so I can start my stats please.
Thanks,
Eric
working on it, sorry I had homework to do.
Not to single anybody out here, but don't you all think we should have a rule that office computers cannot be used? It's starting to look like that's the case with at least two people and I don't think that's a fair race. If you wanted them crunching for the team that's cool, but it kind of blows the race. How would everybody feel if I spent the weekend at the office and loaded the client on 200+ systems....
chawken
02-04-02, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by Sir-Epix
I forgot to ask these questions:
One: Did you guys record everyones starting place, so I can keep my stats?
Two: Carl when are you getting your five dual 1900++ MP's in?
Well eric, since you are now an opponent that will have to remain top secret. Lets just say they should be ready some where down the stretch.
TC raises an interesting point albeit quite complicated. I have always had one or more work PCs crunching for me since day one when I joined SETI. I don't believe I have ever made a secret of it. I would guess that many people here have one or more work/school systems in their herds.
If, for the purpose of some intrateam races, it is decided that only home machines are to be used how exactly would you break out the stats for those who run both? SETIQueue allows me to have a rough idea what my home and work herds do per day but I don't think it is exact. It' not really designed that way.
My feeling for these races is that the participants have extra incentive to increase their daily W/Us. This means tweaking/building/cojoling/running 24/7 or whatever it takes to get more W/Us done per day at least during the race. The main point of the races is to have extra fun so figuring out the rules is only sensible for that particular race.
If we really want this or any future race to be "home" only systems that is fine but I'm not sure how we would really accomplish it.
Any other thoughts?
Cy
vodka314
02-04-02, 01:27 PM
I think for the intrateam races, you should have as much crunching power as you can get your hands on.
I can see it both way's I too believe like Cy that alot of team members do incorporate some work systems in their herd for the convenience of it all. How would we truly tell unless someones wu output goes way up, I mean 200+ pc's running seti 24/7 would be a red flag real quick of output per day IMHO, I don't see a problem with it if it is within reason. Obviously someone running that amount of dedicated crunching power as TC described would not in all fairness be right, all in all the WU's would still go towards the bottom line. Let's say you work at Jim pc repair, and Jim has 20 pc's sitting around idly, you put seti on them Prolly should be for Jims PC Service not your home production. I don't know this issue could go both ways if we were to make this contest home machines only how would we know? Lets say team member a puts it on each and every one of his friends pcs under his user name, those are home machines are they not? See where the difficulty comes in?
J
Originally posted by TC
Not to single anybody out here, but don't you all think we should have a rule that office computers cannot be used? It's starting to look like that's the case with at least two people and I don't think that's a fair race. If you wanted them crunching for the team that's cool, but it kind of blows the race. How would everybody feel if I spent the weekend at the office and loaded the client on 200+ systems....
Sounds good although if we do ban it from the race it'll be leaked under the table.
Yodums
Yes it's a complex issue. On the one hand the main goal is to benefit the team as a whole. A couple people here aren't even on the team at all, but I'm not complaining about that. My only concern is that I see Sir Epix with what looks like either office or school lab computers, and Carl with what appears to be a big office addition. Now that's perfectly fine for the team in general, but that kind of computing power is going to throw the race so far off balance there's hardly any point now. I'm not talking about one or two computers you might have at home that you use for work as well. But I think adding 10 or more "office" computers to a team after the race has begun is not going to make for a fair race - if you can even call it a race anymore. Heck I could install the client on 50 boxes at work and the race would be over almost before it started... I would actually love to do that for our team, but it's asking for more trouble than I want to deal with. All of this is not really a big deal, I just thought it might be a good idea to have some loose rules.
How about this...can anyone think of a good way to allow those who have started a race to still add any and all amount of extra crunchers they can to their account and somehow keep this new volume separate or filtered from the "race" stats? Meaning, if I started a race that is going to run several weeks and I suddenly get permission to start running SETI on 50 work comps or I get a big bonus and decide to blow it on 20 new systems at home...can I add them to my main stats but keep traking the original volume for the race? If you have a team is there a way to join the whole team to another team but keep the old team as a new subteam on the new team? LOL! Such as:
ocsetiteam.com
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subteam a
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member a
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subteam b
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etc.
This would allow someone to create a team for themselves and then they could add new crunchers or sets of new crunchers as new members to their team and keep the stats separate from their main stats...whew!
Or is there just some simple way to accomplish this? Or not. ;)
Cy
Mictlan
02-04-02, 03:22 PM
I have always told that I run SETI@home at my work PC.....This samll addition is 2 WU each day to my 5.5-6 WU each day that about the 35% of my overall production!!!!!
I would say that for some of us that can't buy a SETI farm the only way to increase overall production is tweak our home system and use the work PC.....
I say that we allow work PC to be incorporated only on a reasonable amount. If you can add 2 or 10 systems thats OK.....as that the only way for some of us to improve our overall production.
Sir-Epix
02-04-02, 03:22 PM
If this is geared to my systems, which I think it is, they are paid for by me. So I don't see the problem of it. If you have access to it I say do it. That is what the races are all about. I also charge seti as payment for computer repair, which some of my work units/systems come from. I don't see any problem with it.
It's too complicated to bother with regulations. Lets just go with whatever we have, and if one team ends up being thousands of units ahead of the next competitor so be it.
chawken
02-04-02, 03:45 PM
I don't have a problem if you want to deduct my work PC's WU's. Let's see 0x0 = 0. O.K. you can deduct 0 from my WU total, as I am not using my work machines. Policy implemented on Dec 1 - no non business software allowed on any company PC's.
Upgrading home systems is O.K. I take it. I will be replacing my entire home system with 5 dualies as soon as I receive a check that I have been waiting for. Finally will have the house networked, and will be retiring all the current machines to the garage - where they will be dedicated crunchers.
Can't wait to get them up and running - been drooling at the bit. When all is done, should have about 34ghz of power running on my home network.
Sir-Epix
02-04-02, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by TC
Yes it's a complex issue. On the one hand the main goal is to benefit the team as a whole. A couple people here aren't even on the team at all, but I'm not complaining about that. My only concern is that I see Sir Epix with what looks like either office or school lab computers, and Carl with what appears to be a big office addition. Now that's perfectly fine for the team in general, but that kind of computing power is going to throw the race so far off balance there's hardly any point now. I'm not talking about one or two computers you might have at home that you use for work as well. But I think adding 10 or more "office" computers to a team after the race has begun is not going to make for a fair race - if you can even call it a race anymore. Heck I could install the client on 50 boxes at work and the race would be over almost before it started... I would actually love to do that for our team, but it's asking for more trouble than I want to deal with. All of this is not really a big deal, I just thought it might be a good idea to have some loose rules.
Only reason mine were added after race began was I was having switch problems...you can ask Red Hot Machine on that one, and two the seti servers, along with my main server was down.
chawken
02-04-02, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by TC
A couple people here aren't even on the team at all, but I'm not complaining about that. My only concern is that I see Sir Epix with what looks like either office or school lab computers, and Carl with what appears to be a big office addition.
Now Sir-Epix and I are members of the team.
New member - NovaStar (chawken&Sir-Epix). We both have a machine crunching under that account.
Godfodda
02-04-02, 04:57 PM
Having that much power on one team is a *wee* bit lopsided, but I always enjoy being the underdog. :)
Thanks for the contribution guys! :)
Cy
I see no problem with anything at home - obviously if I said otherwise I'd be the pot calling the kettle.... I was only afraid that work computers were getting a little out of hand for the race itself. It looked like it might spoil the competition. I felt like saying why bother if somebody is going to add dozens of high-end computers after the race get's started. There would be no point in bothering to track it and make the stat updates if it were that lopsided.
I'm sure everyone wants to have fun and some extra incentive to do more with these races. Remember that these are new for us all and there is a learning curve as we continue to refine the race process to ensure fun and fair conditions. :)
We are all still in the same big race in the end!
Cy
rogerdugans
02-04-02, 05:46 PM
I see the points the have been made, and agree with them- all.
The only thing that I personally would take exception to would be if someone intentionally sandbagged- ie: knew that their office/friends/whatever had a big pile of machines that they were allowed to crunch with, but didn't use until AFTER the race started intentionally.
In other words: if your normal, regular stats consisted of 1 pc at home and twelve at work- fine! Your output would be consistent.
At least that is the way I see it.
Originally posted by rogerdugans
I see the points the have been made, and agree with them- all.
The only thing that I personally would take exception to would be if someone intentionally sandbagged- ie: knew that their office/friends/whatever had a big pile of machines that they were allowed to crunch with, but didn't use until AFTER the race started intentionally.
In other words: if your normal, regular stats consisted of 1 pc at home and twelve at work- fine! Your output would be consistent.
At least that is the way I see it. That's along the same lines as what I was worried about.
rogerdugans
02-04-02, 06:33 PM
Hey, what the heck: worst possible case Berkeley gets a bunch more wus crunched , and OCSetiTeam gets (most:) )of them.
And we learn something for the next time.
It's all in fun, so lets have some fun!
lonewolf1983
02-04-02, 09:19 PM
the way i see it if your using work systems for crunchin as it is
thats cool
what i find uncool is growing your farm with silly numbers of computers to win a race
in the end,lets just have some fun and crunch on!
:)
I think rules would be bad. Some would follow them others would not. So free for all will work best I think. If the races get out of hand we can declare a winner and restart.
Wookie8662
02-05-02, 12:30 AM
Hey,
Heres my 2 cents...
If you can get 2 or 200 PC's crunching SETI at work, then I think you should. Of course, make sure that you are allowed to do it, so you wont get in any trouble like that other guy did.
The outcome would be a s**tload of WU for the team as a whole, and thats a good thing overall.
If it makes a race lopsided, then it does. But, the next race, the added WU will change the player drafting dramatically.
One of the major points of the race, is to get more crunchers involved in the team/family spirit of competing.
I'm already looking for that little extra FSB here and there, as I'm sure most of the team players are too.
After all, how many of us think that they can catch up with TC?
Yeah, I know...
But, how much fun would it be to beat his team?
Hehe, you bet! :D
Lets not make it a debate about what you can and cant do in the race. It's mainly for fun.
Ok, so maybe thats more than a nickles worth...heh
Originally posted by Wookie8662
Hey,
Heres my 2 cents...
If you can get 2 or 200 PC's crunching SETI at work, then I think you should. Of course, make sure that you are allowed to do it, so you wont get in any trouble like that other guy did.
The outcome would be a s**tload of WU for the team as a whole, and thats a good thing overall.
If it makes a race lopsided, then it does. But, the next race, the added WU will change the player drafting dramatically.
One of the major points of the race, is to get more crunchers involved in the team/family spirit of competing.
I'm already looking for that little extra FSB here and there, as I'm sure most of the team players are too.
After all, how many of us think that they can catch up with TC?
Yeah, I know...
But, how much fun would it be to beat his team?
Hehe, you bet! :D
Lets not make it a debate about what you can and cant do in the race. It's mainly for fun.
Ok, so maybe thats more than a nickles worth...heh
well said :) i agree compleatly
zangler
02-05-02, 02:56 AM
if we get this race thing going for a while (i.e. have several more races in the future) then why not have classes so to speak. you could have the open class...where everything goes all the way down to the single cruncher class...a team made of only 1 cruncher users. that would keep it fair and fun.
Godfodda
02-05-02, 07:21 AM
Originally posted by zangler
if we get this race thing going for a while (i.e. have several more races in the future) then why not have classes so to speak. you could have the open class...where everything goes all the way down to the single cruncher class...a team made of only 1 cruncher users. that would keep it fair and fun.
That sounds like a good idea, zangler. I guess we'd classify this one as an Open Class. Using your system, that would work in the single machine people who think they're too slow to compete in the other races, too. I like it.
chawken
02-05-02, 06:30 PM
How about this, I lost 2 crunchers right as the races were being organized. If I get my systems, I will only count 2 of them as they would be considered upgrades - anything else that is new equipment, I will either wait until the end of the race to get them crunching (which may be a moot point anyways - ETA on the new equip is 30 - 60 days and I would still have to build and config them), or give basher the production numbers from those rigs and have them deducted from my totals.
rogerdugans
02-05-02, 06:47 PM
I think that a number of good points have been brought up, and bear thinking about.
But as far as the classes go: we have started, lets just call this one Open Class (meaning anything goes- except patched clients) and see what happens.
zangler
02-06-02, 12:49 AM
done and done
Just wanted to check in and thank Cy for drafting
the little fat, crippled kid (w/his measly 2.71 wu/day average last week).
And before getting accused of sandbagging, explain that my main cruncher (of 2) came down with the dubious Abit capacitor problem. My SA6R had 18 6.3v 1500uf capacitors of which 6 were leaking electrolytic and another 10 were bulging. That leaves 2 that looked normal.
I removed and replaced all 18 with 10v 1500uf caps and now all is good. S/B back up to my 6+ wu/day average in no time :cool:.
LOL...all W/Us look the same to me SDRR! :D
Cy
rogerdugans
02-06-02, 11:51 AM
sdrr:
Glad you're with us, congrats on the repairs, and Crunch!:D
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