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deadlysyn

03-27-10, 07:31 PM

There was talk not too long ago about us possibly passing MPC sometime this summer, if I remember right. Now look at us (http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_overtake.php?s=&t=32), about 1 million PPD behind them in production. Did we lose that much PPD or did they just ramp up that much? Either way, we need to do what we can to step it up, and take back what is rightfully ours. Yes, I am speaking of spot number 3 on EOC stats! We have already blown by the Roo's, but we still have MPC taking our space. We know that we are going to hand it to them in this years Chimp Challenge,
BUT NUMBER 3 BELONGS TO US!!

Shadowmonk

03-27-10, 09:42 PM

I'm trying!!!!!!!

the_cultie

03-28-10, 01:27 AM

deadlysyn

03-28-10, 01:47 AM

They ramped up a little when EVGA was about to pass them and we lost almost 1 million ppd in production since then. When we were threatening them we were making just over 4 million ppd. And since then I have more than quadrupled my production to about 26,000ppd. Whats going on? Where did that 1 million ppd go?

I kind of wonder if the extra PPD we had was due to the contest ozzlo was hosting at the time. H is getting ready to start another contest shortly as well, plus we have the Chimp Challenge coming right afterward, so that may help us get closer. I think it's time for another rally. If only I had something I could donate for a surprise PPD contest for h to add to what he already has planned. I might have a Xigmatek something or other HSF I might be able to donate, but I only have the s775 hardware for it.:shrug::rolleyes:

Jolly-Swagman

03-28-10, 07:30 AM

Also since our last Push, there have been several members cut back or stop folding altogether due to either Personal or Economical reasons

Adak

03-28-10, 07:47 AM

At that time, "Doc" on MaxPC had put folding on hold, to tend to his ill daughter, Elena. He's a *very* big folder for them.

Now, he's back, and folding full speed ahead, and we have lost Sneaky Snowman, StaTek32, myself, and several others.

Hopefully, we'll all be back for the CC, however. :thup:

harlam357

03-28-10, 12:03 PM

@deadly - no worries, it's taken care of... and it wouldn't be much of a "surprise" if I mentioned it before hand now would it? ;)

At that time, "Doc" on MaxPC had put folding on hold, to tend to his ill daughter, Elena. He's a *very* big folder for them.

Now, he's back, and folding full speed ahead, and we have lost Sneaky Snowman, StaTek32, myself, and several others.

Hopefully, we'll all be back for the CC, however. :thup:

Snowman had to shutdown due to power bill issues. Not sure why StaTek went offline, I should just ask him - he may have posted it up but I don't recall. What's the story on you Adak? Where's that bigadv PPD you were pushing? :D I know you were absent for a while from the forums, and I'm sorry I didn't welcome you back... so welcome back bro! :)

Several other factors, Computek's PPD is down (and he is seemingly absent from the forums), tuigi69 was really cranking out some nice six-digit PPD, he's now down to ~40k... and we still don't know who he/she is if I'm not mistaken. Surferseth is down in PPD... along with Flexy.

On the flip side I'd like to recognize some "new" blood in the top ranks that are really making a *huge* difference. Three guys in the Top 20: GIX and onefstsnake are enjoying a nice PPD battle and their totals are close - a couple million is nothing in today's Folding environment.... and a guy coming up on his 1 year anniversary, joedymueller, who has really come alive this month with over 1.2 million points for the month of March.

Some other notables I'd personally like to thank: Bomber5000, Molnarc, Schmonk, aviationfrk, Sommelier, MikeyLikesItSI, DocLiv.

So back to the point of the thread... with so much of any one team's production hinging on one or two people it's tough to orchestrate a pass. For instance, if mutsu decided to pull the plug at MPC, then we'd instantly be out producing them... likewise, if ChasR, Hayes, Bayna, or Computek pulls the plug... that's a whole lot of production we'd have to make up just to get back to where we were.

The best plan of attack is recruitment and retention. I think that was one of your objectives deadly. ;)

ozzlo

03-28-10, 12:29 PM

my rig's been offline for months :( I have plans to make up for lost time with a new super folding powerhouse but each month the checkbook does not balance in my favor :(

Weather or not things turn around, I will be back for both march madness and the chimp challenge. weather I bring 25,000PPD to the table or 200,000PPD to the table all depends on a great many number of factors. Don't get your hopes up but please do remain hopeful.

howetechnical

03-28-10, 02:12 PM

Hi all,

I just started folding today with the rig in my sig (it's on about 18 hours of the day), and was wondering how many systems one must fold with to be a contender for our team's top producers. For example, would a laptop running 4GB DDR2 and an Intel Core 2 Duo, my rig that's in my sig, and an Intel Pentium D system with 2GB ram push it that much closer? How many systems (and what type of systems) are the current top producers running? I hear all this about their electric bills skyrocketing, so I can only assume it's 3-4+ heavy weight systems running 24/7.

harlam357

03-28-10, 02:37 PM

I push ~100k PPD and right now I'm running 2 x i7 920, 3 x C2Qs, 1 x C2D, & 5 x GTX200 class GPUs. Granted in the current points scheme, almost half of that 100k PPD comes from the two i7 machines.

You don't even want to know how many CPUs/GPUs either ChasR, HayesK, or Computek has at their disposal. The one in the top four that I believe runs the fewest machines is Bayna as most of his fleet is i7 grade machines. My little farm here is "tiny" in comparison to these guys.

ihrsetrdr

03-28-10, 02:42 PM

Welcome to Team 32 howetechnical! :welcome:

To begin, every machine running definitely helps, but the current "heavy hitters" that will get you into the Top 20 production range would be:

1. Intel i7 920 rigs, running the "bigadv" (http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=631554) work units

2. Several nvidia GPUs that are CUDA capable (http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_gpus.html#top).

3.Quad core intel or quad Phenom's running the A2 or A3client. Also, running some Virtual Machines can add to production as well.

Currently the #20 position is requiring in excess of 41K PPD(points-per-day), so a combination of the above mentioned equipment would be a good start.

ChasR

03-28-10, 02:49 PM

As for what it takes to be the #3 producer on the team, it's in my sig. HayesK has modernized (i7s running -bigadv) where as the ecomony prevents me from doing so at this time.

deadlysyn

03-28-10, 03:40 PM

So back to the point of the thread... with so much of any one team's production hinging on one or two people it's tough to orchestrate a pass. For instance, if mutsu decided to pull the plug at MPC, then we'd instantly be out producing them... likewise, if ChasR, Hayes, Bayna, or Computek pulls the plug... that's a whole lot of production we'd have to make up just to get back to where we were.

The best plan of attack is recruitment and retention. I think that was one of your objectives deadly. ;)

Recruiting was something huge I was working on at one point in time. I have really been working to try to come up with a new approach, since the method I used to use doesn't seem to bring in the new members like it used to. The front page can work, but I need more help with it from each and every member here. The more you guys write that gets posted on the front page, the more exposure our team will get to people that don't know who we are and what we are doing. The more people we can draw in, the more people we can have joining our team. Look at what the magazine has done for MPC, our front page can do the same for us. We had an excellent start with the front page since I had taken over the content editing, but it seems to have fizzled out also. Every article that you guys write that gets published, could help draw in one more new member.

Anyway, enough about the front page, we know that our average PPD per user is higher than that of other teams. There was also the T32 Lost and Found, which was doing well, then got lost, and I don't even seem to remembered who volunteered to take it over. There are a lot of things we can do to get more members drawn in to our team, and the contests seem to be doing the job pretty well.

howetechnical

03-28-10, 04:15 PM

As for what it takes to be the #3 producer on the team, it's in my sig. HayesK has modernized (i7s running -bigadv) where as the ecomony prevents me from doing so at this time.

Wow, yeah, I'm not even close. Well, I could be...that is if I can get away with folding on the 45 servers and 400+ workstations that I IT admin for (even just the servers with their quad/dual-quad chips and 16GB+ memory)...but that's probably pushing it too far. :chair:

Shadowmonk

03-28-10, 04:31 PM

Wow, yeah, I'm not even close. Well, I could be...that is if I can get away with folding on the 45 servers and 400+ workstations that I IT admin for (even just the servers with their quad/dual-quad chips and 16GB+ memory)...but that's probably pushing it too far. :chair:

Do so only with expressed permission from the company, we had a member lose his job because he was folding on company puters. Risking your job for a good cause is risking your job none the less. Contribute what you can when you can, thats all anyone can ask.

dfonda

03-28-10, 04:58 PM

Back to the OP....I have taken a small hit. I have lost 2 8800GT's in the last month and I can't see replacing them. I'll probably move to just 2 I7 systems.

harlam357

03-28-10, 07:07 PM

Back to the OP....I have taken a small hit. I have lost 2 8800GT's in the last month and I can't see replacing them. I'll probably move to just 2 I7 systems.

256MB cards? I've got two of them here, XFX, that just won't Fold anymore. Seem to do everything else 2D & 3D just fine... are yours in the same situation or did they really just bite the bullet?

MARCI

03-28-10, 07:11 PM

Wow, yeah, I'm not even close. Well, I could be...that is if I can get away with folding on the 45 servers and 400+ workstations that I IT admin for (even just the servers with their quad/dual-quad chips and 16GB+ memory)...but that's probably pushing it too far. :chair:

It's been known to happen, just get clearance in writing before you do it, and have a well reasoned pitch, with some #s to back it up. Pointing out the benefit to humanity, how it could be excellent PR, etc. They may require you to run the farm under a Corporate username or similar. The drawback could be increased server loads, heat generation, power costs, etc.

Good luck

deadlysyn

03-28-10, 08:26 PM

Do so only with expressed permission from the company, we had a member lose his job because he was folding on company puters. Risking your job for a good cause is risking your job none the less. Contribute what you can when you can, thats all anyone can ask.

The bad thing was, that member had permission to be folding on those rigs. But when the people higher up than the person that gave him the permission asked what it was running on all those systems, his supervisor denied everything.

When and if any member gets permission to borg a corporate environment, make sure to have it in writing to protect yourself in the case of a similar situation.

Jolly-Swagman

03-28-10, 08:28 PM

256MB cards? I've got two of them here, XFX, that just won't Fold anymore. Seem to do everything else 2D & 3D just fine... are yours in the same situation or did they really just bite the bullet?

made me go and check my Gigabyte 8800GT 256 and yes last 24hrs EUE,s on mostly P66XX WU,s it had been working fine since I installed Copper Heatsinks to VRam

Restarted and is going again for now will keep an eye on it though

Edit - No it's gone ape and EUE'd again, looking at the usage Memory wise some of these 66xx WU's use 452

Shadowmonk

03-28-10, 09:39 PM

I lost 16 hours of production today due to power outtage and corrupted VMware files, all is well in the land of teh Monk now and im back up to snuff.

Adak

03-29-10, 12:27 AM

petteyg359

03-29-10, 12:48 AM

I've got a new Q9550 -advmethod on 24/7 for a least a few months, now.

deadlysyn

03-29-10, 12:51 AM

I had a head on with "lambboy" and went postal on him after he said we hindered FAH by holding back our folding "secrets", etc.

I figured it would mostly be his blood on the asphalt, but he got in a very timely edit, making me look like a Freddy Kruger, and took the only free ride in the ambulance. I'll never understand why teammates would support someone who slanders you, but I wasn't posting nice, either. c'est le vie.

For folding, I have significant interference on the line, making the normal landline I used, impossible. I'm on a wireless rig while on-line atm. I could fold with it (slowly), but the carrier throttles your account speed way down, after so many bytes, so it's not workable.

Great to see the new guys spreading their folding wings!

I trust that you said what needed to be said, and you should not be condemned for standing up for our team. Of course, that is only my opinion, and like I said via PM, if I had seen the comments, I likely would have said something similar.

The fact that he ninja edited doesn't remove the fact that he said it. Hopefully the issue is behind us and we can move on to smashing MPC in the Chimp Challenge, and getting back up to #3, where we belong!

torin3

03-29-10, 05:55 PM

Shadowmonk

03-29-10, 06:19 PM

bleh, lost more work today, my VMware client is still a little twitchy. I'll see if i cant get it sorted out tonight.

0.o got it, damn VM was trying to run on startup. Fixed but another 42% bigadv lost :(

WedgeWhacko

03-29-10, 09:50 PM

Economic issues killed me since Jan.
However things are bouncing back and hopefully with a little luck I should be able to get things back online by the end of the month.
Basically I am back to the drawing board for a cost effective solution that can produce points and not stress the electricity bill.

harlam357

03-29-10, 10:18 PM

I've got an i7 860 with 4 GTX 295s in it, and a C2Q with 2 9800 GX2s in it. Between them, I pull just about 100K ppd. The C2Q is about to be replaced with an i7 920 that will have 1 more 9800 GX2 on it. I'm not running bigadv units on my current i7 as I want to overclock it more.

But I should be able to pull nearly 140K ppd when I'm done.

Also, it looks like Ambientfiction's borg went away.

Bring It!!! :beer:

You know me torin... all I need is a little motivation. :)

Ah, I had forgotten about Ambient's borg... it was definitely a good ride for him and 32... he made it all the way to 70th on the Team.

Adak

03-29-10, 10:29 PM

Long term, I'd suggest i7 920 and avoid the gpu folding. I like the gpu folding, but the gpu cards *Love* spinning my electric meter little gears around! :(

I don't know how long the bigadv WU's will last, but right now at least, they give an i7 920 a LOT of points, lower electric costs compared to gpu folding, AND with unmatched reliability.

@deadly: I said a lot more than needed to be said, for sure. Yeah, it's over.

HayesK

03-29-10, 10:31 PM

made me go and check my Gigabyte 8800GT 256 and yes last 24hrs EUE,s on mostly P66XX WU,s it had been working fine since I installed Copper Heatsinks to VRam

Restarted and is going again for now will keep an eye on it though

Edit - No it's gone ape and EUE'd again, looking at the usage Memory wise some of these 66xx WU's use 452

My lone Giga 8800GT-256mb has been folding OK with no EUEs. The log shows a p6605 and p6603 completed. Using driver 195.62 on all GPU.

ihrsetrdr

03-29-10, 11:28 PM

Jolly-Swagman

03-30-10, 02:50 AM

My lone Giga 8800GT-256mb has been folding OK with no EUEs. The log shows a p6605 and p6603 completed. Using driver 195.62 on all GPU.

Yeah I ran MemtestG80 on it out of 4 x 50 Run tests Twice it passed and twice it Failed
Teat 1 = 50 passes Failed with 172 errors
Test 2 = 50 passes Passed
Test 3 = 50 passes Failed 385 errors
Test 4 = 50 passes Passed

Runs 2D, 3D ok though just wont fold at the moment EUEd on some p5782 WUs

Ran MemtestG80 again
Test 5 = 100 passes Failed 516 errors :bang head

deadlysyn

03-30-10, 05:07 AM

@deadly: I said a lot more than needed to be said, for sure. Yeah, it's over.

I have a tendency to want to do the same thing. I don't know how many times I have come across a post that was enough to make me want to open my big mouth. There was one that I noticed yesterday, and as much as I really wanted to call the member out for indirectly flame baiting other members (the member didn't mention any names), along with that same member arguing with other Senior members about the obvious flaming, instead of saying what I really wanted to say, I just reported the post, and let the mods do the talking for me.:thup:

Either way, it's good to see you back. Your absence did not go unnoticed, and I started to wonder why JS was posting up milestone threads. We kept your spot warm for you, and a cold :beer: in the fridge as well. Hopefully we will see that farm of yours getting fired back I soon.:rock:

dfonda

03-30-10, 06:58 AM

256MB cards? I've got two of them here, XFX, that just won't Fold anymore. Seem to do everything else 2D & 3D just fine... are yours in the same situation or did they really just bite the bullet?

Same deal (1 256, 1 512) I have done everything I can....reduced clocks,100% fan. Along with driver and client reinstalls and that worked on the one(256).

Now they seem to have reached the end of their folding life. They served me well, 24/7 since the Gpu clients came out. That's about 2 years or so.