Starcraft 2 general discussion.

[Younglin]

Got the starcraft 2 beta. Amazing game. I'll upload screen shots if anyone wants.

[Red_LightRanger]

So i wasnt able to get into the beta, but i hear its just basically like starcraft 1 only better graphics. Is there really anything that sets itself apart from the first othere than maybe some new units?
also sure upload some screens.

[SteveLord]

So i wasnt able to get into the beta, but i hear its just basically like starcraft 1 only better graphics. Is there really anything that sets itself apart from the first othere than maybe some new units?
also sure upload some screens.

What would be wrong with that?

[Red_LightRanger]

What would be wrong with that?

Dont get me wrong, i enjoyed sc1 a lot, but it would be nice to see some more innovation especially with the time its taken to be released. Not like C&C4 innovation :( btw.

They're probably just balancing units etc right now? Regardless im definitely going to get this game just wondering what the beta players thought.

[Spec_Ops2087]

I've been saying it from the beginning, SC II will never truely live up to the hype. Yes, everyone will go nuts because it's new, but after those first few weeks wear off, I have a feeling it will be a dissapointment considering how long they have been working on it.

[Krogen]

I think it might not live up to the hype of a lot of people, but it will still be an A+ title.

I've been watching the commentaries every single day since the beta came out. Not bored yet. :)

[zexmarquies01]

Dont get me wrong, i enjoyed sc1 a lot, but it would be nice to see some more innovation especially with the time its taken to be released. Not like C&C4 innovation :( btw.

They're probably just balancing units etc right now? Regardless im definitely going to get this game just wondering what the beta players thought.

It's an RTS, what kind of innovation are you looking for? It's Star Craft 2, not a brand new IP. Naturally it's going to be very much the same.

Oh, and the new units, add A LOT MORE new strategy to the game. MANY of the old strategy's simply won't work anymore, due to the new units, and their abilities.

It looks like star craft 1, and the mechanics are the same, But it plays quite a bit differently. There's just so much more going on this time around. If you know what units are good against, you can even stop a full squad of Carriers from destroying your base.

But seriously, people always complain and say they want "innovation" in new games. But never explain what they mean by that, or what they would like to see. It feels like the word "innovation" is nothing more than a band-aid term being used by everyone since the Wii came out.

So what would YOU add or take away to make it more "innovative" WHILE keeping the Star Craft feel, look, and mechanics?

[Red_LightRanger]

It's an RTS, what kind of innovation are you looking for? It's Star Craft 2, not a brand new IP. Naturally it's going to be very much the same.

Oh, and the new units, add A LOT MORE new strategy to the game. MANY of the old strategy's simply won't work anymore, due to the new units, and their abilities.

It looks like star craft 1, and the mechanics are the same, But it plays quite a bit differently. There's just so much more going on this time around. If you know what units are good against, you can even stop a full squad of Carriers from destroying your base.

But seriously, people always complain and say they want "innovation" in new games. But never explain what they mean by that, or what they would like to see. It feels like the word "innovation" is nothing more than a band-aid term being used by everyone since the Wii came out.

So what would YOU add or take away to make it more "innovative" WHILE keeping the Star Craft feel, look, and mechanics?


Im still a SC fan and enjoyed the original storyline but i need more.. I havent been able to get my hands on the game, so thats why i asked if there was anything spectacular besides updated graphics etc. I think thats why people complain- If you havent noticed...there is a strong trend today in games towards visuals...and not gameplay.

What would i add? How about co-op missions for starters?

[SteveLord]

If I'm not mistaken, Warcraft 3 being a great departure from War2 and even SC...did have it's share of people that just couldn't stand it because it was "too different."

[bLack0ut]

Im still a SC fan and enjoyed the original storyline but i need more.. I havent been able to get my hands on the game, so thats why i asked if there was anything spectacular besides updated graphics etc. I think thats why people complain- If you havent noticed...there is a strong trend today in games towards visuals...and not gameplay.

What would i add? How about co-op missions for starters?

Nay, SC2 will be the awesome hit it is hyped up to be, if only because the map editor is godly in capabilities. I fully expect the custom games to be amazing for SC2.

And of course, melee is also extremely fun for those who liked SC1 :)

[mage_x]

The map editor looks ridiculously powerful. There was even a video of a third person shooter demo in it made in about 30 mins by a Blizz designer. Someone could totally recreate SC:Ghost in the map editor.

If you want to learn more about the game, check out www.teamliquid.net. It's the largest western SC community and their forum has tons of current SC2 info. You can also watch commentated streams of the game with well known/good players.

[pejsaboy]

zex is right, the new/modified units add a ton to the game. For instance, as Terran you're going to produce a lot of marines. They aren't your main unit in terms of being the front line, though. They're as much offensive as they are providing an offensive defense. Basically, they're awesome as fodder to help your other units get close to their intended target. However, they're also a good main force [early game] with some marauders along with them. Add siege tanks, medivacs, and a few vikings to the mix and you're doing pretty well against most combinations of enemies you could come across, land or air.

[Locobot]

I've gotten a few plays in so far and I'm not particularly blown away by any of the new stuff. It feels very much like SC1. I'm actually a little surprised that there's no hero system like in WC3. I'm really glad for the new graphics engine though, and I'm sure there will be some killer mods created. Who knows, WC3 was a little stale until they released the expansion. It should definitely please the people who have been clamoring for an experience close to the original. I'm also looking forward to the campaign mode. I guess I'm still in the buy-on-release camp but the experience so far has been somewhat lackluster.

[zexmarquies01]

I'm actually a little surprised that there's no hero system like in WC3.

Which I am VERY happy that they didn't put that hero system in SC2. I was not a fan.

[zexmarquies01]

Im still a SC fan and enjoyed the original storyline but i need more.. I havent been able to get my hands on the game, so thats why i asked if there was anything spectacular besides updated graphics etc. I think thats why people complain- If you havent noticed...there is a strong trend today in games towards visuals...and not gameplay.

What would i add? How about co-op missions for starters?

For about the first 10 minutes, you notice the graphics. You zoom in and out, thinking how good everything looks....and then the action starts.

Once the battles start, and things get heated up, graphics is the LAST thing on your mind in this game. In the middle of a battle, the only eye candy you tend to notice is those damn nukes. outside of that, you are focusing on micro management, resource management, expanding your main base, and fending off attacks.

I think SC2 is a really good mix of graphics and game play. The graphics are really the LAST thing being focused on in this game. But they didn't just give us Star Craft with a higher resolution and Anti Aliasing either.

A game looking good for the sake of looking good is usually bad. Blizzard did not take this rout. And just because a game looks good doesn't mean the gameplay is going to suck either. The game looks good, but the gameplay is there, and the gameplay is still the heart of the game.


http://www.youtube.com/user/HuskyStarcraft#p/u/46/KpF3GTfnx0g -Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oa1AfIBDFI - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhDfQabUkEI - Part 3

I found these the other day. Very exciting. Will give you an idea at how much strategy is really in this game. It's a 2v2 match, Protoss/Protoss vs Terran/Terran.

[SteveLord]

A game looking good for the sake of looking good is usually bad. Blizzard did not take this rout. And just because a game looks good doesn't mean the gameplay is going to suck either. The game looks good, but the gameplay is there, and the gameplay is still the heart of the game.


Yup, Blizzard never won high marks on graphics, yet they seem to make some of the most popular games in history. The increased player pool from people with lowend to moderate systems is an obvious benefit. Plus, since all their games are regular titles in cyber cafes...they too...do not have to upgrade so often for the latest and greatest games.

And at least their games don't serve strictly as benchmarks. Hmmmm.....like so many others?

[shard]

I think there is now 300% more strategy involved with SC2. And that is just of what I have seen. And I am not even in the beta yet :) I very seriously think that it will live up to the hype at the very least. Blizzard has a track record for doing very well, even if it takes forever. If they prove me wrong, well, oh well.

[doz]

Ive played SC from the day it came out (1998). Ive been waiting for this. Does it equal the fun of the original? Hell yes! Ive been playing the beta for awhile now (I was Gold league #1, they just moved me to Platinum, 9th place right now) and I love it.

My wife loves it too!

[Younglin]

Hey guys sorry it took this long to get back to you. Just been working out for my next tournament a lot.

So i wasnt able to get into the beta, but i hear its just basically like starcraft 1 only better graphics. Is there really anything that sets itself apart from the first othere than maybe some new units?
also sure upload some screens.

No it's quite a bit different, obviously it's a sequel so it plays similarly. But the new units (as mentioned above) have added whole new elements from to the game. It's also more difficult to mass units now, because scv's, probes and drones only collect 5 resources at a time instead of 8.

It looks like star craft 1, and the mechanics are the same, But it plays quite a bit differently.

Do you have the beta? It looks completely different. S2 has a completely different look. Almost none of the buildings or units look the same, the game plays at whatever res your screen is and it's actual 3d. (Let me elaborate on the 3d comment) if you move your screen so a necxus is on the right of the screen you can see the front and right side of it. It's the opposite on the left. The original didn't have that, and you couldn't zoom in in the original.

Yup, Blizzard never won high marks on graphics, yet they seem to make some of the most popular games in history.

I would agree for the most part, but S2 on ultra looks absolutely amazing. ( not like metro or crysis amazing but pretty freaking nice.)

I think there is now 300% more strategy involved with SC2

Very true. Having played starcraft for like 8 years I'm having trouble making the transition. My old mass dragoons strategy no longer works. ( There are no dragoons)
And even massing carriers isn't all that effective. Blizzard is working really hard to balance out the game nicely. Simply massing one unit won't work because different units are effective against some units more than others.

Ive played SC from the day it came out (1998). Ive been waiting for this. Does it equal the fun of the original? Hell yes! Ive been playing the beta for awhile now (I was Gold league #1, they just moved me to Platinum, 9th place right now) and I love it.

I'm only in copper. =[

Give me like a month and I'll be good enough not to lose every game. ( I lose like 2/3 games now.)

I have a feeling it will be a dissapointment considering how long they have been working on it.

I'm not so sure. The game is (so far) exceeding my expectations. And I am a die hard starcraft fan.

[zexmarquies01]

Do you have the beta? It looks completely different. S2 has a completely different look. Almost none of the buildings or units look the same, the game plays at whatever res your screen is and it's actual 3d. (Let me elaborate on the 3d comment) if you move your screen so a necxus is on the right of the screen you can see the front and right side of it. It's the opposite on the left. The original didn't have that, and you couldn't zoom in in the original.



I wasn't implying that the graphics or even the art looks the same in that comment. It was more of a comment about how it still looks like it belongs to the star craft universe. No one is going to look at SC2 and confuse it with any other RTS. While the graphics are MUCH better, and the art changed, The art STYLE is the same. It has the same style as SC1 did.

I've been playing the closed beta Offline. People have been working on making custom AI, and editing maps. The custom made AI isn't any where near the level of another human, But the newest launcher and AI mod really bumped up the difficulty ( on hard ) compared to the previous AI mod.

[Red_LightRanger]

cant wait to get my hands on this game...any word on release date?

[zexmarquies01]

cant wait to get my hands on this game...any word on release date?

Blizzard originally said that they planned to do about 6 months worth of beta testing. Based on reports I could quickly find on google, the release looks to be around Quarter 3 of 2010. So I'd wager it will be out around September or October. August seems too early, and I doubt they will be going for a holiday release either. A quick look on Wikipedia shows that the latest they release their games is november. If the game isn't released in november, they wait till January to release it. It appears Blizzard isn't a fan of December releases.

[Younglin]

I wasn't implying that the graphics or even the art looks the same in that comment. It was more of a comment about how it still looks like it belongs to the star craft universe. No one is going to look at SC2 and confuse it with any other RTS. While the graphics are MUCH better, and the art changed, The art STYLE is the same. It has the same style as SC1 did.

I would have to agree there.

Blizzard originally said that they planned to do about 6 months worth of beta testing. Based on reports I could quickly find on google, the release looks to be around Quarter 3 of 2010. So I'd wager it will be out around September or October. August seems too early, and I doubt they will be going for a holiday release either. A quick look on Wikipedia shows that the latest they release their games is november. If the game isn't released in november, they wait till January to release it. It appears Blizzard isn't a fan of December releases.


Blizzard also said that they will release when it meets there standards. One reason why blizzard games do so well is the playability on low end systems. Even on low S2 seems a little heavy to me. ( not for my system but for the average consumer) Wouldn't surprise me if S2 waited until 2011. I haven't had any problems but some people have had major issues with ultra settings. ( like screen tearing and blacking out randomly) Some people say these problems are due to S2 default refresh rate settings.

[SteveLord]

If I remember, the Warcraft 3 and FT games had anywhere from 3-6 months of beta time.

[Shiggity]

I've been watching a lot of replays.

The Meta Game and basic strats I've seen the most of are :

Terran - MMR (Marines, marauderers, medivacs) | Reaper or hellion harass into viking, banshee, seige tank mech build. 100% need ghost's EMP shockwave to counter a heavy mech protoss build. Immortals just dominate MMR troops masses.

Zerg - Speed Zerglings / combo banelings harass into mutas or roaches into hydras. Corrupters absolutely rape MMR from what I've seen.

Protoss - Zealot proxy pylon rush + mass warp gate, Speed immortals with stalker and zealot support, or mass collosus with stalker and zealot support. Protoss seem the hardest to play because they suck so bad against air atm and their tier 1 units are kinda meh until you get zealot charge and stalker blink.

I also saw a game of someone do a mothership rush. Right as the terran broke into his base with MMR it finished building and he vortexed the entire army and cloaked the rest of his, so $$$$.

Caster builds are pretty tricky to play, but seeing someone do mass psystorm correctly or mass corruptors is awesome. I haven't seen too many people use ghosts and nukes and win a game, but those are always the most fun to watch.


But most of all, I'm looking forward to the custom game environment in SC2. It's going to be amazing.

[doz]

Immortals SUCK vs. marine+medivac. Just as a FYI :)

Colossus' rape marines though :D

[Shiggity]

Immortals own marauderers because the overshield activates on their attack.

But stim packed marines are very good against immortals. Good players mix in the sentry shield on top of their immortals and the zealots cut the marines down.

Most people I see overbuild marauderers mid game and done get enough marines, that's where immortals shine.

[updawg]

Proxy Warp Gate Rush

[gear.h34d.2012]

So what would YOU add or take away to make it more "innovative" WHILE keeping the Star Craft feel, look, and mechanics?

LAN. 'Nuff said. :salute:

[zexmarquies01]

LAN. 'Nuff said. :salute:

Touché :p

[Red_LightRanger]

Touché :p

Theres no lan for sc2?

[zexmarquies01]

Theres no lan for sc2?

Nope. Blizzard made it 100% official. They decided to not include LAN in SC2. You have to log into Battle.net to play.

So if you have a lan party, You will have to have every PC connected to battle.net to play against your friends. Not sure how it will treat two local PC's ( or more ) in these situations. does battle.net direct connect the PC's in the game? Or does it connect everyone to battle.net, then send all the data to each PC? I'm not sure how it does it, but either way, there's no LAN option. To play any kind of multi-player, you will have to log into battle.net to do it.

[pejsaboy]

I don't have an official answer, but since the local pc's are already connected to bnet I would assume that it's going to serve the game through bnet. Otherwise, they may as well have given you the LAN option. The other thing that makes me believe it still serves local games through bnet is the fact that right in the game lobby, there's a big spot that says something to the effect that "co-op vs. AI games are not ranked." I think the LAN option would have been nice, along with the good 'ole install clone option, but I can totally see why they would consider the LAN option obsolete. If that's even the reason they didn't include it. Maybe they just didn't want to spend time and money on writing the code for it *shrug*

[Shiggity]

From what I can tell Blizzard is trying to elevate Battle.net to a facebook strata.

They want you on it 24/7, in every game, with cross game functionality and chat. Even when you're not gaming they want you on it.

Understandable in the social media environment we now live in.

[mage_x]

I played a few games today for the first time, and it's REALLY good. I played SC/BW for about 8 years and SC2 has a great feel to it. Can't wait to play more.

[Younglin]

I'd love LAN

[Shiggity]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NskJDjjlyro&feature=player_embedded

Enjoy!

[Younglin]

LOL wtf shiggity?

[Shiggity]

If you buy the 100$ 'special' edition of SC2, you get that as a pet in WoW. Or something along those lines, gimmick to charge people an extra 40$.

I am here, click me! NYAAAAHHHHHHHH

[Younglin]

LOL I'd probably do it if I still played wow. I had 5 level 80's and then realized I have a girlfriend XD.

[Neural Net]

LOL I'd probably do it if I still played wow. I had 5 level 80's and then realized I have a girlfriend XD.

Wait what she stuck around after you had done that?

Dear God, don't ever let her go. :p

[DBZ]

Just an FYI for those who want to get this game and save some money. Gamestop is currently having a deal where if you order or pre-order $100 worth, you get 25% off and free shipping too.

I preordered Diablo 3 and Starraft 2. Code is 25OFF

[MRip]

I've played the Beta. I haven't played SC1 in a LONG time, but based on what I remember the games are very similar. New graphics, same game.

[Marshmallow64]

I heard it was a very different game with all the new units, lots of new strategies. You also mine slower so you cannot build as fast. You also cannot just mass one unit and win. That's from what I read so far, I havent been able to play it myself unfortunately =(

[Younglin]

Wait what she stuck around after you had done that?

Dear God, don't ever let her go.

LOL Well that's high school love for you.

I've played the Beta. I haven't played SC1 in a LONG time, but based on what I remember the games are very similar. New graphics, same game.

No not at all. As marshmallow said the strategy is total different, and it is a slower paced game. When I used to plat S1 I would be able to mass dragoons with full upgrades in 5 minutes. Now not only would that take much longer but it wouldn't work nearly as well.

[AngelfireUk83]

I hope this game has a fantastic challenging S.P mode like the 1st lot did I might pre-order the collectors chest edition as I've had the SC2 pre-ordered for nearly 2yrs now.

But they might call me up and offer me it who knows, I couldn't play the beta if I wanted to as I have no CPU lol.

[mage_x]

No not at all. As marshmallow said the strategy is total different, and it is a slower paced game. When I used to plat S1 I would be able to mass dragoons with full upgrades in 5 minutes. Now not only would that take much longer but it wouldn't work nearly as well.

Erm.. I feel the exact opposite. The game is a lot faster. At least, it requires you to play a lot faster to take full advantage of your units/buildings. There's so much more in this game and everything builds faster due to the macro mechanics Blizzard has put in (queen spawn larva, chrono boost, and the mule). One hatchery is the equivalent of almost three with a queen spawning larva. The units all seem to move faster as well.

I'm curious how you built mass dragoons with full upgrades in 5 minutes... lol

Anyway, the game is great. I'm 58-39 ranked 12 in my platinum division right now. Still learning all the unit counters and some basic build orders at the moment.

[Younglin]

I'm curious how you built mass dragoons with full upgrades in 5 minutes... lol

28 probes on minerals 16 probes on gas, and playing on fastest maps. Plus I would have 16 gateways, 3 forges and 2 cybernetics cores.

[mage_x]

playing on fastest maps.
That explains it...

Fastest maps are not how the game was meant to be played, you can't really compare those to SC2.

[fiji]

My friends and I have been playing the beta for the last few weeks. I can honestly say that this is probably the best game I've ever played (granted I was a huge SC1 fan).

They removed the monotonous parts of SC1 (you can now set your miners to go to minerals, unlimited queue of actions by shift-clicking, unlimited unit selection size, etc) and added a number of new units and abilities which really add to the strategy (each race has its own way to speed up unit creation, ground units which can scale cliffs, and armor/damage type is more important in sc2). My favorite part, however, is the ladder system. Each unique partner-pair has its own ladder standing and it places you in games with people of similar ability. Almost every game turns out to be a real back and forth.

[Younglin]

Fastest maps are not how the game was meant to be played, you can't really compare those to SC2.

It's not so much the maps that slow me down, it's because you can only mine 5 minerals at a time instead of 8 now.

[TUK101]

The no LAN capabilities will put a bit of a cramp on me and most of my friends. Being on dial up with no real alternatives other than satellite will more than likely blow with high ping rates. So yeah, hopefully the single player storyline is great. Also, I would just like to say that the biggest drawback to playing SC1 on a modern computer with a large monitor really shows just how rough those DX5 or 6 graphics are at 640X480 lol. The game play is still some of the best though.

[crash013]

I'm thinking of just buying a beta key from eBay. :s

When exactly does the beta end?

[updawg]

Speculated release data is june 1 because of release dates found through best buy. Don't buy a beta key from ebay they are tied to a battle.net account. You can be burned pretty easily.

[Locobot]

Whoa the sentries seem kind of overpowered:
http://www.youtube.com/user/PiFsc2#p/u/6/uzxme8kKIK8
I predict massive abuse. This guy's also giving away a beta key to a random youtube subscriber on apr. 20, so might as well. He's got some other good videos too, check out his mass reapers game.

[whooping_a_panda]

Whoa the sentries seem kind of overpowered:
http://www.youtube.com/user/PiFsc2#p/u/6/uzxme8kKIK8
I predict massive abuse. This guy's also giving away a beta key to a random youtube subscriber on apr. 20, so might as well. He's got some other good videos too, check out his mass reapers game.


i love it, they're almost like a wc3 Tinker :D

[Shiggity]

Whoa the sentries seem kind of overpowered:
http://www.youtube.com/user/PiFsc2#p/u/6/uzxme8kKIK8
I predict massive abuse. This guy's also giving away a beta key to a random youtube subscriber on apr. 20, so might as well. He's got some other good videos too, check out his mass reapers game.

That zerg player wasn't very good, it's counter-able.

Mass psi-storm games and mass corruptor games are fun too ;)

[Younglin]

I just mass mutas and zerglings. Not very strategic but it gets the job done.

[Shiggity]

I just mass mutas and zerglings. Not very strategic but it gets the job done.

True, that's why protoss needs a powerful unit like sentries, their anti-air is sad.

I think collossus need some kind of upgrade to let them shoot air with a secondary smaller attack.

[SteveLord]

It's not going to just be massing is it?

I will always credit Warcraft 3 for breaking from that.

[Krogen]

It's not going to just be massing is it?

I will always credit Warcraft 3 for breaking from that.

I don't think so. There are a lot of cool strategies to employ, simply massing units doesn't get the job done.

As an example, if you mass Zerglings against a Protoss player, a good startegy is to get a Collosus. If you micro him well you can easily wipe and entire army of Zerglings...

[mage_x]

Whoa the sentries seem kind of overpowered:
http://www.youtube.com/user/PiFsc2#p/u/6/uzxme8kKIK8
I predict massive abuse. This guy's also giving away a beta key to a random youtube subscriber on apr. 20, so might as well. He's got some other good videos too, check out his mass reapers game.
I had the beta for about 2 weeks now and totally never realized sentries do hallucination. That makes the sentry about 10x better for me :P... They're not overpowered, though. His opponent in that video was pretty bad too.

If you guys want to watch some nice high level games, you can watch the commented games here. They're from a recent clan match. They're all have some interesting builds and the commentating is great.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120145

Editing to avoid double post... - The server is pretty much broken right now. You can log in and be playing fine, but then log out and all your stats and friends list are erased. Log in and out again and you're logged in under someone else's name. Eventually relog enough and you can get back on your own profile but all your games have been erased. It's impossible to play vs anyone good right now in a ladder game because I have to keep playing placement matches vs bronze players ><

[hydrata]

Man, this beta is frustrating...the game is kick ass and fun, but the last 3 out of 4 games I've played (2v2s) my ally has been absolutely horrible. I am NOT good at this game and I am doubling my ally's score. Grrrr.

[SteveLord]

What's the max player count on this?

[ozzlo]

Looks like they are keeping the multiplayer to a maximum of 8 players...

however, I am only basing this off of the match making system which can match up a maximum of 4 players VS 4 players. It may be possible to to make custom games with more players.

I remember that in SC1 you could actually make games with 8 players + an additional computer player (player 12 I believe)... anyways that was the player assigned to the doodads but you could give player 12 actual units and in theory you could give it AI as well...

[ArcturusVi]

Void Rays are garbage.

[Shiggity]

7/27/2010 HURRRRRRRRRRRRY TIME

[dustin1706]

I finally got a chance to play the Beta, and I have mixed feelings on this one. I have been playing SC since it first came out. SC + 28k dial up + Windows 95 = good times!

I feel that SC2's graphics are adequate, as that is not what the game is about. But, it takes some serious getting used to the new units and lack of resource gathering.

My only real beef with the game is that while it left out the "Heroes" (whew), it added a lot more (useful) special abilities for the units. I was never a huge fan of this and find it a bit annoying. leave that stuff for WC3.

Considering all the hype and all the time spent working on this game I expected more. I guess Blizzard is a fan of long lunches and lots of coffee breaks. Still, it's not a finished title yet, and with the new map editor I bet there will be some really cool UMS games.

Of course I will still be buying this game. Come on, It's SC2!!!!

[TheGreySpectre]

While starcraft was always terrificly balanced for FFA, I always felt it suffered a lot when it came to team play compared to a lot of games. Most of the RTS games I play are 4v4 so I will pick up starcraft for the story and probably not delve much into the multiplayer.

[shard]

While starcraft was always terrificly balanced for FFA, I always felt it suffered a lot when it came to team play compared to a lot of games. Most of the RTS games I play are 4v4 so I will pick up starcraft for the story and probably not delve much into the multiplayer.

After playing a good deal of the beta, I will have to totally agree with this idea. Mainly getting this for the story.

[Tsnowflake]

2v2, 3v3, 4v4 are unbalanced and subject to a large number of virtually unstoppable cheese strategies.

However 1v1 is almost perfect, consequently 1v1 is the only mode anyone who plays this game seriously really cares about anyways.

Never really played much ffa so I cant quite comment on that yet.

[SteveLord]

Hope for LAN?

http://www.geekosystem.com/star-craft-2-lan-support/

Blizzard outraged many gamers when it announced that Star Craft II would not support multiplayer gaming over local area networks. That is, gamers would no longer be able to get a bunch of desktops together in someone’s house, or at a tournament, and play each other on a small network. All multiplayer would have to be routed through Battle.net, and thus require an internet connection, even if the two computers were right next to each other.

The original Star Craft, and its little brother Warcraft III, were a large part of LAN party culture, and so the idea that the first sequel to the franchise in more than a decade wouldn’t honor Star Craft’s contributions to LAN culture was pretty unexpected.

Big Download is now reporting that there may still be hope.

Blizzard gave them this statement:

We will be addressing StarCraft II tournament functionality in a post launch patch to the game, soon after ship. This patch will include features to address the needs of location-based pro tournaments, but we have not discussed any specifics about tournament support beyond that.

So it sounds like Blizzard is, at the least, committed to allowing large, professionally organized LAN parties, if not the little ones in your buddy’s basement or your college computer lab.

[Younglin]

Hope for LAN?

We can only hope. I loved playing the original at the internet cafe with my friends. We always took challengers and kicked ass.

[wa77ss]

This game looks fun. I need to build a PC so I can play it!

[Maviryk]

This game looks fun. I need to build a PC so I can play it!

QFT.

So... looks like I'll be active on OCF again.....

What's the minimum system requirements for SC2?

I've been looking for an excuse to buy a new Laptop...

[dustin1706]

Dunno about the final release yet, but should be similar to the Beta.

The requirements for the Beta are as follows.

PC Minimum System Requirements*:

* Windows® XP/Windows Vista®/Windows® 7 (Updated with the latest Service Packs) with DirectX® 9.0c
* 2.6 GHz Pentium® IV or equivalent AMD Athlon® processor
* 128 MB PCIe NVIDIA® GeForce® 6600 GT or ATI Radeon® 9800 PRO video card or better
* 12 GB available HD space
* 1 GB RAM (1.5 GB required for Windows Vista®/Windows® 7 users)
* DVD-ROM drive
* Broadband Internet connection
* 1024X720 minimum display resolution

PC Recommended System Requirements:

* Windows Vista®/Windows® 7
* Dual Core 2.4Ghz Processor
* 2 GB RAM
* 512 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8800 GTX or ATI Radeon® HD 3870 or better

*Note: Due to potential programming changes, the Minimum System Requirements for this game may change over time.

[Maviryk]

Sheeeez!

An 8800GTX? That sucker was top of the line 4 years ago... looks like I'll have to start trolling the classifieds...

[Heavenscalamity]

The beta is garbage imo. On top of being horrendously unstable, the game is full of cheese even in 1v1.

[dustin1706]

Sheeeez!

An 8800GTX? That sucker was top of the line 4 years ago... looks like I'll have to start trolling the classifieds...

Tell me about it.

I am still running my 8800GTX OC, but it has a hard time keeping up with games like BFBC2 and Napoleon: Total war.

[Maviryk]

Man... I been out of PC gaming too long... I've not clue what's going after taking a look at what's for sale.

Looks like the easiest option is to buy an Asus gaming laptop. I don't have time to piece together a PC from the classifieds.

[Marshmallow64]

This is the first time I preordered from gamestop, does this mean we can pick up the game at midnight on 7/26?

[bohansen]

This is the first time I preordered from gamestop, does this mean we can pick up the game at midnight on 7/26?

IF they do a midnight release for the game you can, not sure if they will be or not, might wanna call your local gamestop and ask.

[YoshiMon]

As a avid RTS player, I remember when I 1st got Warcraft II and was just blown away, I'm defiantly interested to see how SC2 turns out.

I did want to quickly touch on something that was talked about in the 1st part of the thread. There actually has been some very interesting innovation in the RTS genre. Rise of Nations was very cool the way that it did it's territories. Each player had their own sphere of territory that they could build in and gather from. Further when they ventured out of that sphere with any unit the units would suffer attrition and die if not accompanied by supply units. It also led to very cool 'push' strats where you could box other players out of resources. (MP games also were neat in that when you were allied with someone you both had access to each others territory. A common tactic would be for an ally to help push by building off another allys territory.)

And then in the x-pack they put in a race that could build anywhere, even outside their territories which lead to some very interesting strats for them. That race also changed the way that they got the 1st tier resource, food, by having it based on your worker population rather than having them actively gathering it.

They also had rare resources that you would send a specialized unit out to. Having your unit gather that rare would give your civ a bonus as well as added income. They were always a prime raiding target of course being defenseless but then in the x-pack they added a civ that allowed those units to actually fight back as well as being tougher to kill.

I'd also add that since SC there have been a number of good 3d RTS games. Homeworld and Homeworld 2 were both really good games. I've just started to fool around with Sins of a Solar Empire but I hear it's good too. While not really relevant in what they do vs a more 2d game like SC or RON it's RTS games have not been without innovation.

I doubt that SC2 will, or should, put in that many new features. I remember playing RON at 1st and thinking wth this is kinda silly. (I had been playing AOE II a lot.) But the games depth really grew on me. So for fans of SC they likely want more of the same just updated with a few tweaks rather than a full on rebuild of the RTS that they love.

[Younglin]

IF they do a midnight release for the game you can, not sure if they will be or not, might wanna call your local gamestop and ask.

They do it for pretty much all games that have enough pre-orders. SC2 will almost definitely have a midnight release.

[Marshmallow64]

I guess I'll give them a call once the date draws closer.

[cornbread]

Interesting read...

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25626109041

[sulretal]

I wanted to make a thread, but I am curious, what do you think, is this game worth it?

I am a huge war3 fan, I think the hero system makes the game much more fun(sometimes insanely imbalanced, but overall nice).

But what do you think. Is it worth paying 60 dollars for this game, then potentially another 120 in the upcoming years for the two other games?

What about the net battle net system. Is it worth paying for those packages?

I'd love to hear any thoughts by people who enjoy RTS, but are not necessarily sc fanboys(you are biased!).

[Neural Net]

I wanted to make a thread, but I am curious, what do you think, is this game worth it?

I am a huge war3 fan, I think the hero system makes the game much more fun(sometimes insanely imbalanced, but overall nice).

But what do you think. Is it worth paying 60 dollars for this game, then potentially another 120 in the upcoming years for the two other games?

What about the net battle net system. Is it worth paying for those packages?

I'd love to hear any thoughts by people who enjoy RTS, but are not necessarily sc fanboys(you are biased!).

The gameplay is old hat any many who played the beta say that it's essentially the same as the old one, however the story should be pretty good, which is what I'm looking forward to in particular.

[doz]

God, everyone crying its the same game. Then dont buy it. I never played WC3 because I grew up on WC1 and WC2. They changed it a bit too much for me.

I for one am happy it hasnt changed alot. They took a great game, and updated it pretty much, keeping the gameplay the same.

People who loved SC1 will love SC2. People who didnt, probably wont. Pretty simple.

Call it fanboism, or whatever you want. If you dont wanna buy it, dont.. I didnt like what they did with Warcraft series, so I didnt buy it.

Now, I really wish they would revamp Total Annihilation, the only game I thought that could have possibly kept pace with Warcraft.

[Heavenscalamity]

God, everyone crying its the same game. Then dont buy it. I never played WC3 because I grew up on WC1 and WC2. They changed it a bit too much for me.

I for one am happy it hasnt changed alot. They took a great game, and updated it pretty much, keeping the gameplay the same.

People who loved SC1 will love SC2. People who didnt, probably wont. Pretty simple.

Call it fanboism, or whatever you want. If you dont wanna buy it, dont.. I didnt like what they did with Warcraft series, so I didnt buy it.

Now, I really wish they would revamp Total Annihilation, the only game I thought that could have possibly kept pace with Warcraft.

If you think SC2 is the same as SC1 you CLEARLY have not played the beta at any competitive level. It is full of cheese and has been balanced by someone who clearly never worked on SC1 or ever played it at a real level.

[dustin1706]

If you think SC2 is the same as SC1 you CLEARLY have not played the beta at any competitive level. It is full of cheese and has been balanced by someone who clearly never worked on SC1 or ever played it at a real level.

Agreed. It needs some work before launch if it expects to live up to the level of balance of SC1. It also involves WAAAAY more micro managing of unit special abilities... not sure how I feel about that yet.

[whooping_a_panda]

because the original starcraft was perfectly balanced at launch and not due to 10 years of patches... :rolleyes: maybe its just me but i think anyone hosting a competitive league for a game in beta needs to have their head examined.

the great thing about blizzard is they don't forget about their work and we'll be getting sc2 patches clear into 2020, assuming the world doesn't end in 2012 first.

[Neural Net]

because the original starcraft was perfectly balanced at launch and not due to 10 years of patches... :rolleyes: maybe its just me but i think anyone hosting a competitive league for a game in beta needs to have their head examined.

the great thing about blizzard is they don't forget about their work and we'll be getting sc2 patches clear into 2020, assuming the world doesn't end in 2012 first.

Exactly.

The point about SC2 being the same as SC is this; the fundamental gameplay has not changed, at all. The balance and the units have, sure, but the overall mechanics have not.

[doz]

LOL I remember starcraft back in 1998 suprisingly. Ill tell you what, the changes and advancements (one of the biggest being the BW expansion pack) are HUGE compared to the original game. I mean, remember when hydras would tear apart marines like nothing in the original? Remember whn you could 4pool someone and they couldnt do ANYTHING about it (back when a pool was 150 minerals)?

I really hope I dont see you posting about SC2 ever heavens, obviously you hate the game so much that you wont play it, atleast I hope...

Competitive starcraft? Hmm, I quit playing games competitively when I got a life... Games are fun, playing games seriously involves wayyy too much time and consumes lives. Ive done it, and all it does is create problems for a person who isnt a bachelor, doesnt have a job, has someone to support them, ect ect...

[Maviryk]

If you think SC2 is the same as SC1 you CLEARLY have not played the beta at any competitive level. It is full of cheese and has been balanced by someone who clearly never worked on SC1 or ever played it at a real level.

Wait what?

I was/am decent at SC1. Not pro by any means... but I'm at ~100apm for SC...

What do you mean by "cheese"

So I shouldn't spend money to buy this laptop (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+Laptop+/+Intel%26%23174;+Core%26%23153;+i7+Processor+/+17.3%22+Display+/+6GB+Memory+/+500GB+Hard+Drive+-+Black/9741729.p?id=1218165344675&skuId=9741729) just to play SC?

[doz]

Also to add, 1v1 isnt the only thing that starcraft was ever about. I find 1v1 to be not so fun honestly. Id much rather play 2v2 team games (me w/ a partner vs. another pair of partners) or 3v3 inhouse games so its people of the same skill.

[Slayn]

Beta is back up. I just went 1-8 until it went down. Apparently 600k people logged in haha.

Ugh, I suck at this game. I don't understand. 10m in to the game and this guy has 3 thors attacking my base while I have about 5 zealots....

[Younglin]

Also to add, 1v1 isnt the only thing that starcraft was ever about.

No. No it wasn't. If it was then why could you have 4 vs 4 games? If blizzard wanted the game to be a 1 vs 1 game they wouldn't have let you have 4 vs 4 matches.

[GatorChamp]

Beta Part two is live now as of midnight EST

[OddRobb]

Honestly, the thing I am most excited about in SC2 is the custom maps. I mean, just look at how far you can go with map editor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAvZlonNTDg

When you get SC2, you get all the fun of regular SC matches, plus the custom map games, which pretty much equals endless fun. One of my favorite custom maps to play is a remake of Risk! There was also a map that played exactly like that classic snake game... That was a little odd...

[lordkosc]

I will play this mostly vs the AI, as my (clicks per minute) are around 60-75. Compaired to them Starcraft pros at 300 cpm.

[nightelph]

Any chance to get a beta key still?

If not I may have to load up the original to get back into it.

[dgb303]

Never played SC1 but as much as I've played 1v1's and 2v2's in SC2 I can certainly say, it's one hell of a game.

[OddRobb]

I will play this mostly vs the AI, as my (clicks per minute) are around 60-75. Compaired to them Starcraft pros at 300 cpm.

Thats another thing about starcraft 2 thats great- the ladders system. At the beginning of each ladder season, you play 5 games. After that (depending on how well you did), you are placed in a league and division with similarly ranking players. So if you are a slow clicker and lose all your games, it will be an even match between you and other slow clickers :grouphug:

[nightelph]

Wooowwww, the old one looks old!!

[ArcturusVi]

Thats another thing about starcraft 2 thats great- the ladders system. At the beginning of each ladder season, you play 5 games. After that (depending on how well you did), you are placed in a league and division with similarly ranking players. So if you are a slow clicker and lose all your games, it will be an even match between you and other slow clickers :grouphug:

The system needs work. When it resets, some people simply have no chance to win. An actual silver player may be put into Bronze thanks to a relentless, merciless beating dealt by Platinum and Diamond level, who are also fresh.

[Maviryk]

I just preordered my copy. Wanted to get the Collectors Edition.. Oh well....

Now... if only I had a computer that could play SCII...

[lordkosc]

I also just pre-ordered from Amazon, so Starcraft 2 will be here on release day!

Top that off I just got SC1 battle chest for 10$, going to play that next week, I figure I can finish the campaigns in that before Starcraft 2 comes out.

[dustin1706]

Pre-ordered mine from futureshop.

This is the very first time I've ever pre-ordered ANYTHING.

I think SC1 is my #1 game of all times, so I hope SC2 can live up to the SC name ( after a few patches).

[AngelfireUk83]

Had mine pre-ordered for 2yrs they just sent me a e-mail asking if I wanted to upgrade to the collectors edition costs £60 instead of £100 I am considering it got till the 27th July if I want too.

Collector's Edition Bonus Items...

Limited Edition packaging.
A 176-page art book
The original StarCraft pre-loaded on an exclusive USB stick
Behind-the-scenes DVD
Official Soundtrack CD
StarCraft Comic Book Issue
World of Warcraft mini Thor in-game pet
Exclusive Blizzard Battle.net DLC

Thats what it comes with I had th Battlechest to the 1st game but lost the Broodwar original CD case/disc, still got the strategy guides to them and the story manual. I dont think it's worth the extra £35 as I am getting my SC2 copy for £25 not £35.

[Slayn]

Blizzard always comes to Fry's here in socal and signs copies, so I am headed there for the midnight release ( in Fountain Valley ).

Also Blizzard is letting people download SC2 right now, the full digital version. You will not be able to play until the 27th but you can get the entire game downloaded right now. Note: this will apparently ONLY work with a digital distribution key. Blizzard says boxed copies will NOT work with this version.

http://beta-us.battle.net/en/info/digital-purchase

[Roofles]

Had mine pre-ordered for 2yrs they just sent me a e-mail asking if I wanted to upgrade to the collectors edition costs £60 instead of £100 I am considering it got till the 27th July if I want too.

Thats what it comes with I had th Battlechest to the 1st game but lost the Broodwar original CD case/disc, still got the strategy guides to them and the story manual. I dont think it's worth the extra £35 as I am getting my SC2 copy for £25 not £35.

I want to order the CE just because of the art book. One, it looks like it's a full size book rather than the crappy ones (the size of the game case itself) that have recently come out with some games. And two, I don't think I'd be able to get the book for less than $40 on ebay afterwards.

[splat]

just got a beta key last night. i've never played sc1/warcraft2 or 3...so yeah this is all new to me. took me 4 hours to win my first game hah.

[SteveLord]

Final system requirements.

Minimum System Requirements*:

PC: Windows XP/Windows Vista/Windows 7 (Latest Service Packs) with DirectX 9.0c
2.6 GHz Pentium IV or equivalent AMD Athlon processor
128 MB PCIe NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT or ATI Radeon 9800 PRO video card or better

Mac: Mac OS X 10.5.8, 10.6.2 or newer
Intel Processor
NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT or ATI Radeon X1600 or better

PC/Mac: 12 GB available HD space
1 GB RAM (1.5 GB required for Windows Vista/Windows 7 users, 2 GB for Mac users)
DVD-ROM drive
Broadband Internet connection
1024X720 minimum display resolution

*Note: Due to potential programming changes, the Minimum System Requirements for this game may change over time.

Recommended Specifications:

PC: Windows Vista/Windows 7
Dual Core 2.4Ghz Processor
2 GB RAM
512 MB NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX or ATI Radeon HD 3870 or better

Mac: Intel Core 2 Duo processor
4 GB system RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT or ATI Radeon HD 4670 or better

Once again, Blizzard attempts to appeal to as many systems as possible. Bravo.

[sulretal]

Wow, Pentium 4?

Watching a cup final on sc2, on u stream. It looks pretty nuts, they are so fast. Not sure I'll be able to play!

[Maviryk]

I'm all set to go!

Got my i7 920 and HD5780! :D

[Napoleon]

I have been running on a 1.6 ghz Pentium M mobile and x300 laptop. It's 5 years old, yes it does lag sometimes, but it can be played.

Blizzard is quite amazing at accomodating all comps!

It'll play nicer when i finish my 930/radeon 5850 comp tho :)

[GatorChamp]

With those min requirements spec though, you will not be able to enjoy some of the better custom maps as they will just bring computers like that to a stop. My computer at times would drop to 20 FPS with some of these custom games.

But when the game cost this much money http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/starcraft2/news.html?sid=6269369&mode=news you would hope some optimization would take place. :)

Also, am I the only one who would just die of joy if they made a SC movie? The cut scenes and trailers from SC2 look so epic.

[Xterra]

I am not the type of guy that buys Modern Warfare to only play to single player (i like multiplayer wayyy too much), but i will be finding myself playing SC2's single player campaign. From the looks of it it will be truly epic.

Now for the bread and butter of SC2: Multiplayer. I cannot wait to play 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, and use map setting games. Whether its destroying Dolk in a *friendly* game of 1v1 or playing in 2v2 partner games, SC2 will give me years of enjoyment.

Dolk doesn't read these forums so i shall be safe! :)

[SteveLord]

Also, am I the only one who would just die of joy if they made a SC movie? The cut scenes and trailers from SC2 look so epic.

As long as it wasn't being directed by M. Night Shyamalan.

[GatorChamp]

As long as it wasn't being directed by M. Night Shyamalan.

Amen to that.

[Xterra]

As long as it wasn't being directed by M. Night Shyamalan.

Zing lol..

[Maviryk]

I have been running on a 1.6 ghz Pentium M mobile and x300 laptop. It's 5 years old, yes it does lag sometimes, but it can be played.

Blizzard is quite amazing at accomodating all comps!

It'll play nicer when i finish my 930/radeon 5850 comp tho :)

I didn't feel like messing around with building a system. SO I bought an ASUS G73JH.... it's got the i7 720m and an ATI 5780 in it... :attn:

Can't wait for SC2! One more week fellas!

[JoshOohAh]

8 MORE DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D:D:D:D:D

Edit: Hey anyone know if it will run DX11? Also for anyone who played the beta how graphic intense is it, I'm considering upgrading my GPU if my 5770 doesn't cut it for this game

[splat]

i'm running on a gts250 and i have the settings at max 1600x1200, no problems

[JoshOohAh]

i'm running on a gts250 and i have the settings at max 1600x1200, no problems

I run at 1920x1080 but it's not that big of a jump. Do you know your FPS MAX/MIN? I just don't wanna play and get a huge graphical fiesta attacking me and then my game crashes before I could lose the old fashioned way.

[splat]

i'm not sure what the FPS stats are. i'll have to search around to see if there is a way to at least display it real time.

[Xterra]

SC2 tends to be CPU heavy like most RTS games.

[JoshOohAh]

i'm not sure what the FPS stats are. i'll have to search around to see if there is a way to at least display it real time.

Fraps!

SC2 tends to be CPU heavy like most RTS games.

CPU shouldn't be an issue with me... I hope. But I don't play many RTS games other than SC:BW (which I suck at) and that game isn't intense on any hardware component.

[GatorChamp]

Yeah the game is CPU heavy. RTS game have the luxury to be very playable at 20FPS. So you may not notice you FPS in the game. I generally start a game around 150-160FPS and then as the game progress and a lot of units are on the map it drops to 50-60FPS. The area you will run into trouble with a lower end PC are the custom game. They are going to be A LOT harder on your system. (Think i said this in a earlier post) This is not to say they all will be this way but some of these custom game put some much on the map my FPS does not really go above 40. I play at 1920x1200 on high, as there is no difference from high to ultra. Some minor shadows but it is VERY hard to tell the difference.

you can check your FPS by hitting ctrl+alt+f. Will be in the top left of the screen

[Xterra]

you can check your FPS by hitting ctrl+alt+f. Will be in the top left of the screen

I was just going to ask! Thanks a lot... i forgot the draw fps command from Beta 1.

[IcedOutCpu]

i can't vw8 to get this game..

[JoshOohAh]

7 MORE DAYS!!!!!

[Slayn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjuf7DELz9s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFbFCTziw28&feature=related

[SteveLord]

Goin to Gamestop for the midnight release. Have 5 copies to pickup for family and myself.

[rysecake]

Has anyone made an sc2 ID sheet? Would love to play with some of you guys when the game comes out.

[JoshOohAh]

Has anyone made an sc2 ID sheet? Would love to play with some of you guys when the game comes out.

AGREED!


Also guys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_E83GfWM-A&feature=sub was released today on Starcraft offical YouTube channel. I really think Blizzard should make a movie!

[lordkosc]

Has anyone made an sc2 ID sheet? Would love to play with some of you guys when the game comes out.

Join the OCF steam group, prolly the easiest way to all get together is to meet there in a chat room and then head over to battlenet.

[SteveLord]

Join the OCF steam group, prolly the easiest way to all get together is to meet there in a chat room and then head over to battlenet.

Hmmm if Battle Net still operated the same as in the past, you could always have an OCF channel to create/meet in.

[JoshOohAh]

Join the OCF steam group, prolly the easiest way to all get together is to meet there in a chat room and then head over to battlenet.

Couldn't find the group when I searched it only the Battlefield group which was by invite only. Then I looked up your OC name and looked at your groups to find it. I also added you as a friend while I was there :P.

BTW why are comments disabled on that group?


And for others in case your having a problem finding the group heres the link
------------> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/ocf

[disk11]

Don't join the OCF group, its too big to see who is online in the Friends box. Someone should make a OCF SC2 group or just manually add people to their friends list.

[rcsAlex]

Im new to the forums but. I'm definatly looking foward to sc2! What league were you guys playing in th part 1 and 2 of the beta before it went down?

[SteveLord]

Don't join the OCF group, its too big to see who is online in the Friends box. Someone should make a OCF SC2 group or just manually add people to their friends list.

That's what I was going to suggest. Same reason we did it for L4D.

[lordkosc]

Im new to the forums but. I'm definatly looking foward to sc2! What league were you guys playing in th part 1 and 2 of the beta before it went down?

I never got past the 5 trial matches in either of the betas, I started messing with the Map editor in the 2nd beta and spent a good 30 hours with it , damn fine map making tools! :thup:

[sulretal]

This game is pretty sweet. I really like playing zerg.

Anyone know how much battle.net cost?

[disk11]

This game is pretty sweet. I really like playing zerg.

Anyone know how much battle.net cost?

It's free for now, but look for Activision to try changing that.

[doz]

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/ocfsc2

Its public, so start joining up :D Can do group events through steam to notify everyone too!

[rysecake]

^ Sweet. Joined.

[dgb303]

Void Rays are garbage.

No way! Once those beasts get charged up they can cause some serious problems for the other team.

[hydrata]

Also just joined the SC2 group. Looking forward to next week.

[iaacp]

I'm really undecided. Loved SC as a younger boy. Don't necessarily agree with what Activision/Blizz are doing with it now.

Besides, could my laptop run it until I return home in a few months? This babies on 4GB of ram, C2D T8300 (2.4ghz) and an 8400GS M (128mb).

The way I see it, the ram and CPU are fine, but the video card is terrible. I might as well wait and hope to catch it on sale later, right?

[Slayn]

What don't you agree with that isn't letting you buy the game?

And that laptop might do medium.

[Savvy.]

I have got to build another gaming rig before I can play SCII. :( I've heard so much from my friends who played the beta.

[Nechen]

Havn't tried the beta but from what I've seen I'll sum up my opinion:

1.) To start, NO GAME is worth a 12 year wait

2.) It looks like Starcraft 1 with a cartoon-ish engine like WC3 had (Kinda ruins the overall tone of the game IMO

3.) There will be nothing new in this game, Blizzard has a very special skill in that they take something generic and boring and then simply polish it up until it shines (Kinda like what Valve did with TF2)


Again, I will reiterate that I started playing SC1 when I was in the FIFTH GRADE - I'm now 22 and gainfully employed as an adult and its not even out yet...nothing is worth this kind of wait.

Even if Blizzard released SC2 and it gave me bountiful orgasm's all day long, I'd still hate it based on the waiting factor - its impossible for me to remain optimistic for a game coming out when NASA has constructed and launched shuttles and satellites quicker than Blizzard has developed a game.

Will I pick it up? Yeah probably when I find it in the $5 clearance bin at some point (Although I think SC1 still sells for $19.99 for the battlechest no?)

[Nechen]

Im new to the forums but. I'm definatly looking foward to sc2! What league were you guys playing in th part 1 and 2 of the beta before it went down?

Hopefully a group that is functionally literate

I hope that this was posted in a joking manner, Nechen. As it reads, this is a borderline insult, which we don't tolerate at all on these forums. - muddocktor, Forum Staff

[iaacp]

What don't you agree with that isn't letting you buy the game?

And that laptop might do medium.

The FB, Battlenet, 2 expansions for the full "real" story, how they tried to implement Real ID. The $60 price tag bothers me somewhat, but not very much because I'm used to buying console games as well. I think my main gripe is we have to pay $60 for 1/3 of the story.

[Vengance_01]

The FB, Battlenet, 2 expansions for the full "real" story, how they tried to implement Real ID. The $60 price tag bothers me somewhat, but not very much because I'm used to buying console games as well. I think my main gripe is we have to pay $60 for 1/3 of the story. I agree, but we are getting 30 full missions. I am super amped for SC2. I have been in the beta since phase 1. SC2 plays completely different from SC1 but in a good way. I am thinking of calling in "sick" on Tuesday :santa2:

[doz]

Havn't tried the beta but from what I've seen I'll sum up my opinion:

1.) To start, NO GAME is worth a 12 year wait

2.) It looks like Starcraft 1 with a cartoon-ish engine like WC3 had (Kinda ruins the overall tone of the game IMO

3.) There will be nothing new in this game, Blizzard has a very special skill in that they take something generic and boring and then simply polish it up until it shines (Kinda like what Valve did with TF2)


Again, I will reiterate that I started playing SC1 when I was in the FIFTH GRADE - I'm now 22 and gainfully employed as an adult and its not even out yet...nothing is worth this kind of wait.

Even if Blizzard released SC2 and it gave me bountiful orgasm's all day long, I'd still hate it based on the waiting factor - its impossible for me to remain optimistic for a game coming out when NASA has constructed and launched shuttles and satellites quicker than Blizzard has developed a game.

Will I pick it up? Yeah probably when I find it in the $5 clearance bin at some point (Although I think SC1 still sells for $19.99 for the battlechest no?)

I started Starcraft in 97 (beta). Ive paid for the game atleast 5 times. Ive played it EVERY year since its been out. IMO, best game ever made to date. Will SC2 surpass that? Doubt it, but is SC2 worth the wait? Hell yes, I got plenty of enjoyment from SC even this past year.

Get over the fact htat Blizzard delayed it. It happened, so be it. Its here in 4 days, be happy already.

[Xterra]

Havn't tried the beta but from what I've seen I'll sum up my opinion:

1.) To start, NO GAME is worth a 12 year wait
The general public did not know about SC2 until May 19th, 2007 at Blizzard's unveiling event in Seoul, South Korea. Give or take SC2 was a 3 year wait. Who cares that Blizzard delayed the game to redo the art work? Obviously not the majority of people wanting the game.
2.) It looks like Starcraft 1 with a cartoon-ish engine like WC3 had (Kinda ruins the overall tone of the game IMO
When compared to its 12 year old brother, i enjoy the round polygons instead of square ones :P
3.) There will be nothing new in this game, Blizzard has a very special skill in that they take something generic and boring and then simply polish it up until it shines (Kinda like what Valve did with TF2)
New units promote new strategies for multiplayer. New maps, old maps, open door policy for moding and map creation; Dawn of War II tried to reinvent the RTS wheel and failed. Sometimes people like going back to a conventional RTS. What better game to go buy/play then the cornerstone franchise that started the genre? You might have to wait 25 years before you find SC2 in a bargain bin for $5 though.. lol

[SteveLord]

Why don't people understand that Warcraft's "cartoon" style has always been that way? It's been the standard theme since the original. Geez......

[JoshOohAh]

Why don't people understand that Warcraft's "cartoon" style has always been that way? It's been the standard theme since the original. Geez......

:thup:

[Nechen]

Yeah but Starcraft had its own theme - why did they switch it to the theme for Warcraft?

Too freakin' bright and pretty in my opinion, but I make the same gripe about DoW2 as well *shrug*

[doz]

To the theme? Really?

Dont buy the game whiners.... I didnt buy WoW because I thought it was lame, you have that option. Go make a haterade thread.

[sulretal]

I am just excited for single player. I'll never be good at multiplayer games, average at best. But from all the cgi videos released so far, and how epic the trailer is for terran campaign, I'm stoked.

[iaacp]

I'm really undecided. Loved SC as a younger boy. Don't necessarily agree with what Activision/Blizz are doing with it now.

Besides, could my laptop run it until I return home in a few months? This babies on 4GB of ram, C2D T8300 (2.4ghz) and an 8400GS M (128mb).

The way I see it, the ram and CPU are fine, but the video card is terrible. I might as well wait and hope to catch it on sale later, right?

What don't you agree with that isn't letting you buy the game?

And that laptop might do medium.


Anyone else willing to chime in on this? Maybe those of you that were in the beta.

[Xterra]

Yeah but Starcraft had its own theme - why did they switch it to the theme for Warcraft?

Too freakin' bright and pretty in my opinion, but I make the same gripe about DoW2 as well *shrug*

I agree. I liked the original unit art for SC2 before the designers revamped it into brighter colors. But what can you do? =/

[Slayn]

Anyone else willing to chime in on this? Maybe those of you that were in the beta.

The system requirements for the StarCraft II are as follows:

PC Requirements
PC Minimum System Requirements*:

Windows® XP/Windows Vista®/Windows® 7 (Updated with the latest Service Packs) with DirectX® 9.0c
2.6 GHz Pentium® IV or equivalent AMD Athlon® processor
128 MB PCIe NVIDIA® GeForce® 6600 GT or ATI Radeon® 9800 PRO video card or better
12 GB available HD space
1 GB RAM (1.5 GB required for Windows Vista®/Windows® 7 users)
DVD-ROM drive
Broadband Internet connection
1024X720 minimum display resolution
PC Recommended Specifications:

Windows Vista®/Windows® 7
Dual Core 2.4Ghz Processor
2 GB RAM
512 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8800 GTX or ATI Radeon® HD 3870 or better

[hydrata]

Yes, obviously he can run the game on his laptop. There's no question there.

The issue is with people insulting the game before it's out or without even trying the beta. It's typical of anything popular (Miley Cyrus, Justin Beiber, Nintendo Wii's, Iphones, etc.). People just hate them because it's popular and people want to go against the grain. Granted my examples are not the best, but SC2 is a good game, enjoyed by many people, but not everything is made to please everybody. You are entitled to your opinion of not liking the game. But for the love of everything, don't knock it before you try it!!! "I haven't played the beta and the game isn't out yet but I'm sure it sucks" Ummmm, ok..." I haven't tried ice cream yet and I don't like this particular flavor but all ice cream sucks."
If you played SC1 religiously, obviously you enjoy an RTS game. Blizzard has taken what works and brought it up to date; polished it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. To me, SC is not broken. SC2 is a new game, with a new story line, as a sequel should be, with similar multiplayer. Are you going to insult Doom 1 vs. Doom 4 for having similar multiplayer?! No. But the storylines are still different and each is worthy of a stand-alone price tag despite the years between development. Same with SC1 and 2. Stop hating until you've at least played the game.

[Hardin]

I'm really excited this about. I love the singleplayer and I can't wait to see some of the use map settings maps that people create. They were the best part about multiplayer in Starcraft and Warcraft 3? Ok so it took a long time, it doesn't matter now because it's coming out in 2 days.

[Slayn]

Are you saying you like Justin Bieber?


Anyway I am going to the official Blizzard midnight release here in socal, my goal is to get all three games signed eventually.

[rainless]

I never did like Starcraft.

Tried REALLY hard. Got it and the expansion.

But space games bore the HELL out of me. (There's nothing out there!)

Can't think of a single space game I ever actually finished (besides star trek 25th anniversary.)

Mass Effect is probably as good as it gets for me.

[rainless]

Yes, obviously he can run the game on his laptop. There's no question there.

The issue is with people insulting the game before it's out or without even trying the beta. It's typical of anything popular (Miley Cyrus, Justin Beiber, Nintendo Wii's, Iphones, etc.). People just hate them because it's popular and people want to go against the grain. Granted my examples are not the best, but SC2 is a good game

Dude your examples are the WORST. :p

And what you said is completely hypocritical.

You're saying it's unfair of people to criticize a game before it comes out... yet you're saying it's a good game before it's come out. :shrug:

Based on the BETA it's a good game?

Just as it's easy to criticize something popular just to "go against the grain" it's just as easy to give a free pass to something you're already pre-disposed to liking. (Like Justin Bieber apparently... :p )

[Hardin]

Justin Bieber is awesome.

[GatorChamp]

There is WAY to much hatin on SC2 in this forums. I do not understand how you could hate on SC2?! Yes it is long over due, but what we are getting now is top notch A+ stuff. All the cinematics leaked to the internet like two days ago and i watched them. I could not help myself I love the SC2 storyline so much I had to. All I can say is OMG, this game is awesome. The story is so bad @ss. Further more we are getting three games! After all this time they are pretty much giving us three game. Each campaign is expected to span 26-30 missions. Thats around the total number BW or original SC gave us! and it's on ONE game. There is going to be such awesome story in the coming games. I can't wait. People are going to LOVE the SC2 story, MP, Custom games, map editor and every other aspect.
For me SC is the greatest games ever to be created and their story for me rival my all time favorite story telling franchise MGS.

[GatorChamp]

Havn't tried the beta but from what I've seen I'll sum up my opinion:

1.) To start, NO GAME is worth a 12 year wait

2.) It looks like Starcraft 1 with a cartoon-ish engine like WC3 had (Kinda ruins the overall tone of the game IMO

3.) There will be nothing new in this game, Blizzard has a very special skill in that they take something generic and boring and then simply polish it up until it shines (Kinda like what Valve did with TF2)


Again, I will reiterate that I started playing SC1 when I was in the FIFTH GRADE - I'm now 22 and gainfully employed as an adult and its not even out yet...nothing is worth this kind of wait.

Even if Blizzard released SC2 and it gave me bountiful orgasm's all day long, I'd still hate it based on the waiting factor - its impossible for me to remain optimistic for a game coming out when NASA has constructed and launched shuttles and satellites quicker than Blizzard has developed a game.

Will I pick it up? Yeah probably when I find it in the $5 clearance bin at some point (Although I think SC1 still sells for $19.99 for the battlechest no?)
All three of these points are completely false.
1) It is worth the wait, when you are getting something of this quality
2) Maybe you were looking at Alpha screenshots? I may kind of agree with you there, but the way the game looks now, no, not at all.
3) There is PLENTY that is but further more SC being the huge success that it is why in the hell would you want to venture really far from is and make a COMPLETELY new game. They took the most amazing game ever and built on it and added to it. (also you point about TF2 is horrid. TF2 has been given update after update and it came as part of orange box. A game with 4 or 5 games in it.) Is there anything you dont complain about?

Yeah your right, SC is still 19.99. So GL finding ANY SC title for $5.

[iaacp]

Are you saying you like Justin Bieber?


Anyway I am going to the official Blizzard midnight release here in socal, my goal is to get all three games signed eventually.

There's only 1 for CA in Anaheim, right? I thought about coming up, but it's just too far (in SD) and plus I have a $20 credit to amazon. I'd really love to go though... :(

[Savvy.]

Justin Bieber is awesome.

Bieber Fever!! Oh noez!

[rainless]

There is WAY to much hatin on SC2 in this forums. I do not understand how you could hate on SC2?! Yes it is long over due, but what we are getting now is top notch A+ stuff. All the cinematics leaked to the internet like two days ago and i watched them. I could not help myself I love the SC2 storyline so much I had to. All I can say is OMG, this game is awesome. The story is so bad @ss. Further more we are getting three games! After all this time they are pretty much giving us three game. Each campaign is expected to span 26-30 missions. Thats around the total number BW or original SC gave us! and it's on ONE game. There is going to be such awesome story in the coming games. I can't wait. People are going to LOVE the SC2 story, MP, Custom games, map editor and every other aspect.
For me SC is the greatest games ever to be created and their story for me rival my all time favorite story telling franchise MGS.

Well I like the GAME metal gear solid... But the story was always a complete mess.

...and then they started to EXPLAIN IT.

What happens when you "explain" something that didn't make sense on a root, base, fundamental level is complete madness.

"So Solid Snake killed his father and his brother, who were actually the same person... which was HIM!"

That's the gist of it.

You want a story game you've got mass effect, you've got Baldur's Gate, Dragon Age Origins... Hell... as far as stories go there are TOO MANY games (especially on PC) that have better storylines than Starcraft did.

Hell... Sam and Max Hit the Road...

[GatorChamp]

Well I like the GAME metal gear solid... But the story was always a complete mess.

...and then they started to EXPLAIN IT.

What happens when you "explain" something that didn't make sense on a root, base, fundamental level is complete madness.

"So Solid Snake killed his father and his brother, who were actually the same person... which was HIM!"

That's the gist of it.

You want a story game you've got mass effect, you've got Baldur's Gate, Dragon Age Origins... Hell... as far as stories go there are TOO MANY games (especially on PC) that have better storylines than Starcraft did.

Hell... Sam and Max Hit the Road...

Yeah, im sorry to say but you are going to be in a small minority with that opinion. ha Sam and Max his the road....anyway, MGS story all throughout was par none. Mass Effect was good but no MSG. Naked Snake killed Solid and Liquid which were clones of Boss Snake, like he was. He father shows up in the closing scene and I do not remember him killing his father...
MGS story was complex on purpose and required many games to explain it. I don't know any story that carried the levels of detail that MGS did. Metal Gear Solid, MGS Sons of liberty , Snake eater and then Guns of the Patriot. Games that all meshed together. It was an epic story. But lets not turn this into a MGS forums. Want to debate story lines lets make another thread. :argue:

[Hardin]

I thought the story in Starcraft was pretty good. It wasn't very complicated, it was also fun reading the story in the manual. I read the Starcraft 2 manual and it gives a basic overview of what happened in the first game. It's not as detailed as the past manuals though.

[rainless]

Yeah, im sorry to say but you are going to be in a small minority with that opinion. ha Sam and Max his the road....anyway, MGS story all throughout was par none. Mass Effect was good but no MSG. Naked Snake killed Solid and Liquid which were clones of Boss Snake, like he was. He father shows up in the closing scene and I do not remember him killing his father...
MGS story was complex on purpose and required many games to explain it. I don't know any story that carried the levels of detail that MGS did. Metal Gear Solid, MGS Sons of liberty , Snake eater and then Guns of the Patriot. Games that all meshed together. It was an epic story. But lets not turn this into a MGS forums. Want to debate story lines lets make another thread. :argue:

Silly Rabbit... we weren't debating storylines... We're debating Starcraft 2! :beer:

(Oh and by the way even YOUR explanation of the MGS storyline is completely ridiculous. You don't believe me? Explain it to a girl at a bar.)

I felt all the Blizzard games were pretty well written. I LOVED the way Warcraft III was carried out.

But it's a bit formulaic at this point. There's an obsession with power, a betrayal, bad guy loses, then bad guy wins.

Fun ride though.

[Slayn]

There's only 1 for CA in Anaheim, right? I thought about coming up, but it's just too far (in SD) and plus I have a $20 credit to amazon. I'd really love to go though... :(

There is one in Anaheim and one in Fountain Valley. Blizzard is coming to Fountain Valley.

http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/events/starcraft2-fountainvalley.html

[iaacp]

Yeah, im sorry to say but you are going to be in a small minority with that opinion. ha Sam and Max his the road....anyway, MGS story all throughout was par none. Mass Effect was good but no MSG. Naked Snake killed Solid and Liquid which were clones of Boss Snake, like he was. He father shows up in the closing scene and I do not remember him killing his father...
MGS story was complex on purpose and required many games to explain it. I don't know any story that carried the levels of detail that MGS did. Metal Gear Solid, MGS Sons of liberty , Snake eater and then Guns of the Patriot. Games that all meshed together. It was an epic story. But lets not turn this into a MGS forums. Want to debate story lines lets make another thread. :argue:

Residential Forum MGS Professional here.

Erm, I don't know why you're defending how MGS has a great story if you didn't understand it. Naked Snake IS Big Boss. Liquid, Solid, and Solidus are clones of Big Boss. Solid killed Big Boss* and Liquid, and Solidus was killed by Raiden.

I didn't think the first Starcraft's story was explained very clearly (but then again, the last time I played through campaign was about 8 years ago), but after reading various summaries and entries on the Starcraft wiki, it really is a great story. I just wish they'd put it together in a more condensed, easily read form - such as a movie (come on, we all want Blizz to make a movie) or an easy, simple book. Same with Warcraft. Great story, but I'll be damned if I'm going to play 3 [2 poorly aged] games + expansions, and WoW + 3 expansions just to know what's going on.

tl;dr - make movies about your games, blizzard.

[Slayn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_E83GfWM-A&feature=player_embedded

This is close enough to get what is going on in WOL without having played SC1.

[Slayn]

Sorry thats the newest trailer. Watch these in order:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfhTN_Gh-0E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZhDVZla1fc

[Bon3thugz43v3r]

I know where I'll be at midnight. :D

[RADIO_ACTIVE]

ZOMG 12 hours away!!!

[Marshmallow64]

Anyone ever go to a midnight release for blizzard? How long are the line and how long does it usually take?

[GatorChamp]

Residential Forum MGS Professional here.

Erm, I don't know why you're defending how MGS has a great story if you didn't understand it. Naked Snake IS Big Boss. Liquid, Solid, and Solidus are clones of Big Boss. Solid killed Big Boss* and Liquid, and Solidus was killed by Raiden.

I didn't think the first Starcraft's story was explained very clearly (but then again, the last time I played through campaign was about 8 years ago), but after reading various summaries and entries on the Starcraft wiki, it really is a great story. I just wish they'd put it together in a more condensed, easily read form - such as a movie (come on, we all want Blizz to make a movie) or an easy, simple book. Same with Warcraft. Great story, but I'll be damned if I'm going to play 3 [2 poorly aged] games + expansions, and WoW + 3 expansions just to know what's going on.

tl;dr - make movies about your games, blizzard.

Thanks for correcting me. Been a little sense I played. But I dont get where everyone is getting "Solid killed big boss." Maybe I need to watch the ending cut scene again but heres how it goes:
Big Boss, very much alive, appears and explains that the body burned in Eastern Europe was actually that of Solidus Snake and reveals that the Patriots were originally an interpretation of The Boss' will, founded by Major Zero, EVA, Ocelot, Sigint, Para-Medic, and Big Boss himself. With increasing power, two rival factions arose within the Patriots' ranks, Zero's who stood for complete control, and Big Boss', who dreamed of a soldier's world. Eva and Ocelot joined Big Boss in his cause. He also explains that Ocelot purposefully used nanomachines and hypnotherapy to implant the persona of Liquid Snake as his own. Over the years, Zero let the newly established AI network assume more and more control, eventually leading to dependence on the war economy, a vision far from The Boss' original will. Big Boss puts an end to the last remnant of this false vision by shutting down Zero's life support unit thus killing Zero.
Big Boss informs Snake that Drebin's injection included a new strain of FOXDIE, programmed by the Patriot AIs to kill the rival Patriot faction and eradicate the old versions of FOXDIE. Thus, Snake has no risk of becoming a biological weapon, at least before his own death. Big Boss succumbs to FOXDIE, but not before he makes amends with Snake.
~Wikipedia

[GatorChamp]

Anyone ever go to a midnight release for blizzard? How long are the line and how long does it usually take?

I am. They said they should have everyone out by 12:20. They will start finishing the pre-orders at 10:00 (taking the rest of your money) and then at 12:00 start giving them out.

[SteveLord]

I am. They said they should have everyone out by 12:20. They will start finishing the pre-orders at 10:00 (taking the rest of your money) and then at 12:00 start giving them out.

I think my brother got a call from Gamestop saying to be there at 10 for some kind of "fun" or something.

[Slayn]

Anyone ever go to a midnight release for blizzard? How long are the line and how long does it usually take?

Do you mean the official Blizzard release at Fry's? I went years ago, people usually start lining up real early. I was out by 12:30, but I also didn't get my game signed.

[Marshmallow64]

For gamestop. OK 12:30 seems good, I just hoped it wasnt like a forever wait.

[SteveLord]

My gamestop said you can get your tickets for the game between now and midnight. At 12:01 they call off names and you go to the counter to get your copy and that's it.

[Nechen]

I wonder how many shootings there will be in the next 45 minutes...

Anyone wanna start taking bets?

[Tsnowflake]

100 points on 1 +- 1 lol

[Nechen]

*writes it down*

anyone else? 8 minutes left

[doz]

Is it midnight release across the nation, or midnight eastern, 9pm PST? :D

[rainless]

Oh what? This is tonight?

Cool. Maybe I'll got pickup fightnight round 3!

[Mr.DLucey]

12:26 AM, got the game loading now, no Lines at the local Walmart and they had plenty of games.

[disk11]

My Gamestop just did whoever was closest to the counter. I showed up at 20 til, and manged to be 3rd in one of the lines.

Installed and now dling patches.

[GatorChamp]

Game loading and at 90% can't wait. Coffee is brewing and should be done any second. No sleep tonight. I napped pretty much all day to be ready for this world changing event.

[doz]

This is bs...

[Mr.DLucey]

I had to use capital letters and the hyphens between the sets of letters/numbers to get the key to go through.

XXXXXX-XXXX-XXXXXX-XXXX-XXXXXX

[dummyyy]

I'm thinking about getting a 23inch samsung xl2370 monitor for sc2 lol? is it worth it?

[Maviryk]

My Gamestop just did whoever was closest to the counter. I showed up at 20 til, and manged to be 3rd in one of the lines.

Installed and now dling patches.

Patches? Booo.... this game is 12GB! Holy crap. How many KB of patches are there? I'm on limited bandwidth. :(

[sHape oF gReY]

Patches? Booo.... this game is 12GB! Holy crap. How many KB of patches are there? I'm on limited bandwidth. :(

Only had to DL a 30 something MB patch.

[SteveLord]

This is what I left with tonight. Family keeping up with tradition.

My brother and I managed to snag the last of the SC2 posters. Other than that, it was standing around for 40 minutes. Store probably had 30 people by midnight. Half of them dudes in flipflops and your typical gaming geek profile. ;)

[Vengance_01]

I would go tonight, but I am just to lazy and I have to be at work early, soooo if I were to get it, I know I would be up till 3-4 in the morning. I need my sleep.

[rainless]

This is what I left with tonight. Family keeping up with tradition.

My brother and I managed to snag the last of the SC2 posters. Other than that, it was standing around for 40 minutes. Store probably had 30 people by midnight. Half of them dudes in flipflops and your typical gaming geek profile. ;)

What on earth do you need four copies for? I know you and your brother probably have one a piece... but what about the other two?

I was gonna go to gamestop just for the hell of it but wound up falling asleep.

[SteveLord]

What on earth do you need four copies for? I know you and your brother probably have one a piece... but what about the other two?

I was gonna go to gamestop just for the hell of it but wound up falling asleep.

Two of them are for my dad and my other brother. And he also sprung for an extra.

Maybe I'll teach my son/his grandson how to play at 5 years. ;)

[Marshmallow64]

Got my copy too =). So far exactly the same as beta but with the single player campaign.

[Dolk]

Anyone dead yet from playing non stop :D

[lordkosc]

i won't have time to play till Thursday :(

[SteveLord]

I made myself only play the first 2 missions. But I am looking forward to getting some more in. What's great is the low system requirements so I think I can run them on my tablet laptop too. ;)

[Shiggity]

Just finished installing 15 seconds ago!

Woooooooo.

I'll be doing some missions then heading to battlenet.

[rainless]

So what's the verdict? Is it the greatest game of all time or what?

(I'd get it if I had time to play it... but I *know* how much of an investment a strategy game is. I lost an entire summer and fall to Warcraft 3.)

[JoshOohAh]

The game is amazing! I've only played single player but from what I've played it's incredible. Anyways there should be a thread to add ppls ID's. I posted mine in the Steam Group but there aren't many ppl who joined

[Maviryk]

So what's the verdict? Is it the greatest game of all time or what?

(I'd get it if I had time to play it... but I *know* how much of an investment a strategy game is. I lost an entire summer and fall to Warcraft 3.)

I played a couple missions last night... got killed on brutal a couple times.

Played one "custom" multiplayer match... 2v2... bad match but we still won.

It still feels pretty much the same.

They changed some hotkeys around... I'll have to get used to that.

Also.... my 5780 can't handle playing at 1920x1080 with all the eye candle turned on... it recommended playing at 1200x720 @ medium quality....

Mega resource hog if you want the eye candy.:attn:

And yes... I'm liking it. :D

[disk11]

Also.... my 5780 can't handle playing at 1920x1080 with all the eye candle turned on... it recommended playing at 1200x720 @ medium quality....

Mega resource hog if you want the eye candy.:attn:

And yes... I'm liking it. :D

I can play @ 1680x1050 with everything maxed on my rig. Something doesn't seem right.

[lordkosc]

the game isn't super gfx intensive due to the the level of zoom I am guessing...

I wish the camera could pull back 30% more.

[sHape oF gReY]

I played a couple missions last night... got killed on brutal a couple times.

Played one "custom" multiplayer match... 2v2... bad match but we still won.

It still feels pretty much the same.

They changed some hotkeys around... I'll have to get used to that.

Also.... my 5780 can't handle playing at 1920x1080 with all the eye candle turned on... it recommended playing at 1200x720 @ medium quality....

Mega resource hog if you want the eye candy.:attn:

And yes... I'm liking it. :D

Yeah something's not right...my 5850 is stock and runs everything maxed out at 1080p. There's no way there should be that much of a performance gap between the 5780 and the 5850.

[rainless]

Yeah something's not right...my 5850 is stock and runs everything maxed out at 1080p. There's no way there should be that much of a performance gap between the 5780 and the 5850.

You don't know what kind of CPU he has. You have a 920.

Strategy games are always big CPU hogs.

[doz]

Is there really no chat rooms in this game? I read they might not have them, but come on.... How do you get inhouse games going, god...

[jaredavidporter]

I think I might have to play through the original again before picking this up. I hate playing sequels and not knowing what's going on.

[JoshOohAh]

I think I might have to play through the original again before picking this up. I hate playing sequels and not knowing what's going on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4xkEf7QPVQ watch this guys videos. It explains everything that's happening

[Maviryk]

You don't know what kind of CPU he has. You have a 920.

Strategy games are always big CPU hogs.

I have am i7, 920m... I guess I should get the latest drivers.

[lordkosc]

Is there really no chat rooms in this game? I read they might not have them, but come on.... How do you get inhouse games going, god...

organize in teamspeak ? :D

[SteveLord]

I'm with Doz. Where are the channels where you can trash talk and get whispered by bots every 5 seconds!!!!

Also strange thing...

Coop VS AI, only 3 human players (unless it means it will search for 3 others). Custom Game, setup the same way. 4 human players. I don't get it.

[Nechen]

Geez just finally got my copy* from UPS 30 mins ago. Started installing and its only at 34%

Freaking game takes up 12GB ... I remember when the first was only a few hundred megs

*sigh* I'm getting old.

[doz]

Nechen, why are you playing the game? All youve done is trashed it.... And still continue to trash it... Donate it to someone who is less fortunate maybe??

And Steve, I dont know what channels you hung out in, but we always organized our games in private channels that had the banhammer. No bots spamming, trash talkers were stomped in a game :D

Really sucks theres no chat rooms anymore :( I mean, how do you meet new people? I have to play 100 games to find 2-3 decent players Id game with? If there were chat, youd just goto a channel and most of them were atleast acceptable to play with, some worse some better bu tnothing like pubs.

[SteveLord]

My dad and I can't play. We get Global_Timeout message when trying to host/join eachother.

Hope Hamachi fixes this. I really don't like dicking around with ports.

[doz]

LOL sc2 has the same issue as original starcraft on the same network (Im assuming you are on the same network Steve?).

Try to enable DMZ hosting on one of the computers and have that person host the game (or vice versa, cant remember which has to host.. Think its DMZ host though).

[GatorChamp]

I have not even tried to play online. Single play is amazing. Story is awesome and the new way you play through single player is awesome. They did an amazing job. The retail version seems to be much hard on the GPU. During Beta my GPU usage was only around 65% now its 90+%. I am playing through on hard and I must say some of these missions are quite hard. But it just awesome. I played until 7:00am this morning and then slept until 3pm and been back at it. Can't stop playing it. Single played is words better in SC2 than in SC1.

Also I am playing at 1920x1200 on High with one or two things on ultra and i'm around 50fps.

[SteveLord]

LOL sc2 has the same issue as original starcraft on the same network (Im assuming you are on the same network Steve?).

Try to enable DMZ hosting on one of the computers and have that person host the game (or vice versa, cant remember which has to host.. Think its DMZ host though).

We aren't. We live in the same town though. If we were on the same network, it would work for sure. Luckily, with Hamachi going...it works.


Also, so far I run everything 1680x1050 Ultra and no slowdown at all.

Q6600 @ 2.7
8GB
ATI 4890

[iaacp]

So I'm having a problem running the game on my laptop.

When I boot it up (have settings on low) the game plays fine at a pretty decent frame rate (I'd say around 30). As time goes on, however, the game slows down to a really bad frame rate, probably around 5. It doesn't have anything to do with the amount of units or things on screen, it seems like. Because I was playing tutorial missions fine, and then about 10-20 minutes into them, it slowed down.

Any ideas? This baby's on 4GB of ram, Intel C2D T8300 (2.4ghz) and an 8400GS M (128mb).

The laptop starts running pretty warm pretty quickly, but could that really be the problem? It seems like it's mostly warm around the hard drive - where my left palm rests while typing or playing. Actually, the whole machine gets pretty hot.

[Slayn]

With the system in my sig I have the game maxed out at 1080p, and that is at the stock 2.5ghz ( I can't get this system to OC anymore ). This game is more CPU than GPU intensive and HEAVILY favors Nvidia cards. Blizzard is a company of ATI fanboys, so it isn't because they made the game that way. People think it is because of horrible ATI driver problems that the Nvidia works so much better.

Also the game does not come with AA support, so if you have your Nvidia control panel set to a specific AA level instead of application control, your FPS drops a lot. For some reason the game can't handle AA. Nor does it really need it TBH.

[Slayn]

So I'm having a problem running the game on my laptop.

When I boot it up (have settings on low) the game plays fine at a pretty decent frame rate (I'd say around 30). As time goes on, however, the game slows down to a really bad frame rate, probably around 5. It doesn't have anything to do with the amount of units or things on screen, it seems like. Because I was playing tutorial missions fine, and then about 10-20 minutes into them, it slowed down.

Any ideas? This baby's on 4GB of ram, Intel C2D T8300 (2.4ghz) and an 8400GS M (128mb).

The laptop starts running pretty warm pretty quickly, but could that really be the problem? It seems like it's mostly warm around the hard drive - where my left palm rests while typing or playing. Actually, the whole machine gets pretty hot.

To me it sounds like heat. Have you checked the actual temps? Get a program like Realtemp ( http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ ) and see what temps the CPU and GPU are getting to. IMO if either one are getting close to 90C, that is going to be the problem.

[MEMex]

Installed the game at 12:30am and rolled through credits at 4:50 am. All I can say is that after all these years waiting, I'm feeling ok on how it turned out...

-slowpoke edit-
lol... I need to correct myself... this was 12:30am Tuesday and 4:30am Wednesday. *oops* (http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6563997&postcount=245)

[lordkosc]

you beat the game already? O.O

[DBZ]

Dang, only 4 hours? Either you are insanely good, play on easy or the game is just too easy.

[lordkosc]

I'll play on normal, and it will prolly take me at least 12-15 hours, I hope there aren't many timed missions, I hate feeling stressed to get the mission done by X time.

[JoshOohAh]

Installed the game at 12:30am and rolled through credits at 4:50 am. All I can say is that after all these years waiting, I'm feeling ok on how it turned out...

Holy crap!!!!! I've played about 7 hours total and I only finished 13 missions. On avg how long did a mission take you, I'm curious? And how many missions were there in total? I heard 28 total but you need to do atleast 26 to beat it.

[Tsnowflake]

if he was playing on brutal i'd be really impressed. The difficulty jump from hard to brutal is pretty big.

[MEMex]

Installed the game at 12:30am and rolled through credits at 4:50 am. All I can say is that after all these years waiting, I'm feeling ok on how it turned out...

Hah, my bad...

I need to correct myself as I have deprived myself of sleep and food. This was 12:30am on Tuesday morning and 4:30am on Wednesday morning. :p

I played through on normal difficulty and watched all the news casts/talked to all characters and side quests. I think somewhere between all the madness I took a rage-quit nap for like 3 or 4 hours.

[Voidn]

Picked it up yesterday, game stop had like 50 copies. Damn that install took forever. Digging it so far, looks great. Need some offline practice before I go online. My skills have been declining for the last decade lol.

[iaacp]

To me it sounds like heat. Have you checked the actual temps? Get a program like Realtemp ( http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ ) and see what temps the CPU and GPU are getting to. IMO if either one are getting close to 90C, that is going to be the problem.

Thanks man. I'll give it a test.

[iaacp]

To me it sounds like heat. Have you checked the actual temps? Get a program like Realtemp ( http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ ) and see what temps the CPU and GPU are getting to. IMO if either one are getting close to 90C, that is going to be the problem.

Wow, it looks like my GPU is sitting in the 80's just while browsing the net and on Skype video chat.

[lordkosc]

I am actually holding off on playing online, I watched a pre-qualifying game where a Diamond league player in the beta was going up against a total NuB, he literally flew in 2 Terran Planetary Fortresses into the enemy base and won :|

I do not want to be subject to that level of humiliation any time soon.

[zexmarquies01]

Thanks man. I'll give it a test.

Check the Bios of your laptop. It may have a "cool and quiet", or a thermal protection option ( whatever Intel calls it ). If it's on, when your CPU hits a certain temp, It will lower the clock speed of your CPU so it can cool back down.

You also may want to invest in a laptop cooler. Especially if you are gonna keep playing SC2 on that laptop.