So...I'm planning to put together a REALLY nice desktop for myself to replace an aging and failing 5 year old laptop currently being used as a desktop hooked up to an extensive support array of peripherals and external drives (which are also driving me nuts, but anyway...)
I'm new to watercooling, and had several questions. I'm new to watercooling, and the forums have been a wonderful resource. I still have several questions however, and would appreciate any help offered.
Anyways, before the questions, here's my tentative build list. Note that this is a list of what will eventually (ideally) be in the computer. I may not buy all of it now (for example, I'll likely buy 1 video card/monitor right now, then the 2 others in a few months as the price drops), but for the sake of argument, assume I'm going to buy everything now (which may happen if I'm lucky anyway), so it all has to fit It's been 5 years since my last computer purchase for myself, and probably more like 8 since my last serious computer build for myself (I build for others all the time), so price isn't really a huge issue here, as you can see (although, NO, I am not really interested in trying to cram in 4 $1500 Peltier coolers for everything - let's stick to air and water here)
Processor: 980X overclocked (watercooled)
MB: Rampage III Extreme
PSU: Corsair CMPSU-1000HX 1000W
Ram: 2xG.Skill Trident 6GB (3x2GB) DDR32000 Model F3016000CL9T-6GBTD
Video Card: 3xEVGA 012-P3-1472-AR GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) SuperClocked (2x SLI on monitors 1-2, 1xthird monitor; performance increase to the 480s is minimal for the extra $200, so 470s work; not to mention they're easier to find)
Audio card: HT Omega Striker 7.1
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate x64
Hard Drive(s):
1x Intel X25-M 160GB (main OS/Program drive)
1x Kingston SSDNow V Series SNV425-S2/64GB 2.5" 64GB (Swap file, temp files, scratch disk)
2x Hitachi Deskstar 7K2000 2TB (In Raid 1, for storage)
HDD Coolers: 2xLogisys HS102BL 5.25" Aluminum Hard Disk Cooler & Silencer (passive, for the Hitachi drives)
Case: Corsair Obsidian 800D
Optical Drive 1: Pioneer 12X BD-RE BDR-205BKS
Optical Drive 2: LG 10X BR-RE WH10LS30K
Card Reader: AFTXM-35U (3.5")
LAN: Intel EXPI9402PT 10/ 100/ 1000Mbps PCI-Express PRO/1000 PT Dual Port Server Adapter (dual Gigabit with teaming)
Pump: Swiftech MCP655
Reservoir: Swiftech Micro Rev. 2
Radiator: Thermochill PA 120.3
Radiator Fans: 6x Scythe GentleTyphoon D1225C1B4AP-14 1450 RPM 21 dB
Radiator Shroud: 2x Thermochill PA 120.3 Shroud?
Tubing: ???
Clamps: ???
CPU Block: Swiftech Apogee XT
Coolant: (1L?) OCZ Freeze Extreme Clear
Pump Base: Gelstuff block
Also keyboard, mouse, pad, cables, etc.
Aaaaand here are my questions:
1. The main reason I originally decided to try out watercooling is noise. A chip overclocked considerably on air will sound like a jet engine taking off (at least my 3.4 GhZ 6600 does). Will the above setup be relatively quiet? I want to run it 24/7, and it doesn't have to be silent, but I want to be able to sleep in the next room, and use my TV without the computer noise being obvious. When I'm not using it to render/encode/compile/game, it'll probably be folding for at least the next 5 years. I want to overclock the CPU to a minimum of 4 GhZ, but would REALLY love it if I can get 4.5 on this setup - what do you think?
2. Airflow issues: The case is great for watercooling, but only has a few fans. Will this be enough for the graphics cards? I'm a bit worried about the noise on the graphics cards too - has anyone had experience with these cards? Which brings me to the next question...
3. Cooling. I do not plan on overclocking the GPUs, and will probably push the ram until it's as high as it can go and be stable, but I don't really care about getting maximum performance out of the ram (I'm much more concerned with the CPU). Likewise, I can't really see enough benefit from watercooling the Northbridge, so don't want to do that. Originally, I was just planning on having the CPU under water for the lower noise and improved performance (compared to large aircooled heatsinks). Would the graphics cards be quieter on water? I've heard that the fans on them can get quite loud. I was considering putting the GPUs under water (but not overclocking them), but had several issues: a) what waterblocks to use? b) If I do this, I'd want a second loop so I can get the CPU as high as possible (my ambient temps can reach almost 27C), but...where will I put a second pump, reservoir, and radiator assembly (I'd really like to fit everything in the case, or mounted outside on the side if necessary). I assume I'd need another 120.3 with 6 more fans if I do this, and those are quite large... c) would it really be quieter? The GPU fans might be loud, but would it still be quieter than a second pump + 6 Typhoons? In other words, would a second loop for GPUs help with noise control, and where would i put the darn thing?
4. Space: Is this case big enough? What should I get if not? Will it fir 2 complete loops if I need them for the GPUs?
5. Fans: I don't really want a fan controller. For one thing, it'll take up a bay on the front. If i need one, I'll probably try and mount it inside the case. Instead, I'd just like to leave the fans running on 'full' (another thing to consider for question #1). As far as I can tell, I can just chain all 6 radiator fans to each other and power them off a single Molex connector...has anyone tried this? Results? Will I need a fan controller or 2?
6. Radiator: How do I mount the fans? Does the 120.3 come with 2 fan shrouds included, or will I have to buy them? Does the fan shroud install on either side, or will I have to use another method to mount 3 fans to the other side of the radiator. (I assume I will need 6 fans in push/pull, since that seems pretty standard on the 120.3 setups). Where's the best place to mount 1 radiator? 2? Do I need to cut large holes in the case sides to ensure proper airflow (otherwise won't a fan or two be blocked on one side?)
7: Mounting. What do you recommend for mounting the watercooling equipment inside the case? Should I even bother, or should I just leave the pump and reservoir lying on the bottom? I assume the radiator at least will need mounting. How?
8: Fluid. Should I bother to use the OCZ stuff, or just stick with distilled water. If water, what additive brands are recommended? If I get the OCZ, how much should I order (just looking for a rough estimate here)
9: lapping. Does the Apogee need lapping? Should I lap the CPU before mounting? (If it matters, I was planning to use OCZ Freeze as the thermal compound in the mount). If I have space for a 2nd GPU loop, and if it will be quieter, do I need to sand down either the GPUs or the GPU blocks?
10: Tubing and clamps. As far as I can tell, some of the parts use different tubing sizes, and the guides on choosing tubing are a bit confusing. What tubing types will I need (any recommendations on brand - most posts on this topic are quite old)? What's the best way to connect the two different sizes (I don't care about looks, so probably not compression fittings - maybe a clamp of some type?) What clamps should I use to anchor the tubing and mount it to the case? (The general consensus seems to be unbarbed worm clamps, but does anyone have a link to the proper type, size and material please - there's tons of clamps out there, and I don't want to order the wrong thing)
11: Other. Are there any parts I'm missing or things I'm glaringly overlooking?
Thank you all in advance for any help you can offer.
Zithras
I'm new to watercooling, and had several questions. I'm new to watercooling, and the forums have been a wonderful resource. I still have several questions however, and would appreciate any help offered.
Anyways, before the questions, here's my tentative build list. Note that this is a list of what will eventually (ideally) be in the computer. I may not buy all of it now (for example, I'll likely buy 1 video card/monitor right now, then the 2 others in a few months as the price drops), but for the sake of argument, assume I'm going to buy everything now (which may happen if I'm lucky anyway), so it all has to fit It's been 5 years since my last computer purchase for myself, and probably more like 8 since my last serious computer build for myself (I build for others all the time), so price isn't really a huge issue here, as you can see (although, NO, I am not really interested in trying to cram in 4 $1500 Peltier coolers for everything - let's stick to air and water here)
Processor: 980X overclocked (watercooled)
MB: Rampage III Extreme
PSU: Corsair CMPSU-1000HX 1000W
Ram: 2xG.Skill Trident 6GB (3x2GB) DDR32000 Model F3016000CL9T-6GBTD
Video Card: 3xEVGA 012-P3-1472-AR GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) SuperClocked (2x SLI on monitors 1-2, 1xthird monitor; performance increase to the 480s is minimal for the extra $200, so 470s work; not to mention they're easier to find)
Audio card: HT Omega Striker 7.1
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate x64
Hard Drive(s):
1x Intel X25-M 160GB (main OS/Program drive)
1x Kingston SSDNow V Series SNV425-S2/64GB 2.5" 64GB (Swap file, temp files, scratch disk)
2x Hitachi Deskstar 7K2000 2TB (In Raid 1, for storage)
HDD Coolers: 2xLogisys HS102BL 5.25" Aluminum Hard Disk Cooler & Silencer (passive, for the Hitachi drives)
Case: Corsair Obsidian 800D
Optical Drive 1: Pioneer 12X BD-RE BDR-205BKS
Optical Drive 2: LG 10X BR-RE WH10LS30K
Card Reader: AFTXM-35U (3.5")
LAN: Intel EXPI9402PT 10/ 100/ 1000Mbps PCI-Express PRO/1000 PT Dual Port Server Adapter (dual Gigabit with teaming)
Pump: Swiftech MCP655
Reservoir: Swiftech Micro Rev. 2
Radiator: Thermochill PA 120.3
Radiator Fans: 6x Scythe GentleTyphoon D1225C1B4AP-14 1450 RPM 21 dB
Radiator Shroud: 2x Thermochill PA 120.3 Shroud?
Tubing: ???
Clamps: ???
CPU Block: Swiftech Apogee XT
Coolant: (1L?) OCZ Freeze Extreme Clear
Pump Base: Gelstuff block
Also keyboard, mouse, pad, cables, etc.
Aaaaand here are my questions:
1. The main reason I originally decided to try out watercooling is noise. A chip overclocked considerably on air will sound like a jet engine taking off (at least my 3.4 GhZ 6600 does). Will the above setup be relatively quiet? I want to run it 24/7, and it doesn't have to be silent, but I want to be able to sleep in the next room, and use my TV without the computer noise being obvious. When I'm not using it to render/encode/compile/game, it'll probably be folding for at least the next 5 years. I want to overclock the CPU to a minimum of 4 GhZ, but would REALLY love it if I can get 4.5 on this setup - what do you think?
2. Airflow issues: The case is great for watercooling, but only has a few fans. Will this be enough for the graphics cards? I'm a bit worried about the noise on the graphics cards too - has anyone had experience with these cards? Which brings me to the next question...
3. Cooling. I do not plan on overclocking the GPUs, and will probably push the ram until it's as high as it can go and be stable, but I don't really care about getting maximum performance out of the ram (I'm much more concerned with the CPU). Likewise, I can't really see enough benefit from watercooling the Northbridge, so don't want to do that. Originally, I was just planning on having the CPU under water for the lower noise and improved performance (compared to large aircooled heatsinks). Would the graphics cards be quieter on water? I've heard that the fans on them can get quite loud. I was considering putting the GPUs under water (but not overclocking them), but had several issues: a) what waterblocks to use? b) If I do this, I'd want a second loop so I can get the CPU as high as possible (my ambient temps can reach almost 27C), but...where will I put a second pump, reservoir, and radiator assembly (I'd really like to fit everything in the case, or mounted outside on the side if necessary). I assume I'd need another 120.3 with 6 more fans if I do this, and those are quite large... c) would it really be quieter? The GPU fans might be loud, but would it still be quieter than a second pump + 6 Typhoons? In other words, would a second loop for GPUs help with noise control, and where would i put the darn thing?
4. Space: Is this case big enough? What should I get if not? Will it fir 2 complete loops if I need them for the GPUs?
5. Fans: I don't really want a fan controller. For one thing, it'll take up a bay on the front. If i need one, I'll probably try and mount it inside the case. Instead, I'd just like to leave the fans running on 'full' (another thing to consider for question #1). As far as I can tell, I can just chain all 6 radiator fans to each other and power them off a single Molex connector...has anyone tried this? Results? Will I need a fan controller or 2?
6. Radiator: How do I mount the fans? Does the 120.3 come with 2 fan shrouds included, or will I have to buy them? Does the fan shroud install on either side, or will I have to use another method to mount 3 fans to the other side of the radiator. (I assume I will need 6 fans in push/pull, since that seems pretty standard on the 120.3 setups). Where's the best place to mount 1 radiator? 2? Do I need to cut large holes in the case sides to ensure proper airflow (otherwise won't a fan or two be blocked on one side?)
7: Mounting. What do you recommend for mounting the watercooling equipment inside the case? Should I even bother, or should I just leave the pump and reservoir lying on the bottom? I assume the radiator at least will need mounting. How?
8: Fluid. Should I bother to use the OCZ stuff, or just stick with distilled water. If water, what additive brands are recommended? If I get the OCZ, how much should I order (just looking for a rough estimate here)
9: lapping. Does the Apogee need lapping? Should I lap the CPU before mounting? (If it matters, I was planning to use OCZ Freeze as the thermal compound in the mount). If I have space for a 2nd GPU loop, and if it will be quieter, do I need to sand down either the GPUs or the GPU blocks?
10: Tubing and clamps. As far as I can tell, some of the parts use different tubing sizes, and the guides on choosing tubing are a bit confusing. What tubing types will I need (any recommendations on brand - most posts on this topic are quite old)? What's the best way to connect the two different sizes (I don't care about looks, so probably not compression fittings - maybe a clamp of some type?) What clamps should I use to anchor the tubing and mount it to the case? (The general consensus seems to be unbarbed worm clamps, but does anyone have a link to the proper type, size and material please - there's tons of clamps out there, and I don't want to order the wrong thing)
11: Other. Are there any parts I'm missing or things I'm glaringly overlooking?
Thank you all in advance for any help you can offer.
Zithras