Why are my games laggy an choppy with my X4 955 +??

[Louie26]

ok so i have a phenom II X4 955 BE, MSI NF750-G55 mobo, 7GBs of DDR3 Ram, GeForce 9500 GT 1GB, Win 7 Ultimate 64bit... CPU overclocked to 3.4GHz, video card overclocked, Core clock 700, Shader clock 1750, Memory clock 500... i know its not that beastly of a card but ive seen videos of other ppl with less than what i have running games at higher settings than me. When i play Grid i have to put the settings at about medium and resolution at 1360x758. so whats the deal ppl?? :shrug:any input?

[Louie26]

wait.... is this just for consoles??

[moonpeach]

Hi. Well your computer looks like it should be compatible with anygame. and with 7GB memory that should help. Check your display settings in the game. If there is an option to have 'Frame Limiter' if the game has that turn it off. Make sure your computer is not doing something else while you are playing (eg. virus scan). I would suggest just toggling the settings and see what you get.

i know that some games do not like to play in the x64 windows. Also make sure you have the latest graphics drivers installed.

[Louie26]

ok well i did not have the latest drivers but now i do. and i usually dont have anything else running while im playin. hopefully i jus needed to update my drivers. ill check in a bit im burnin some movies right now. thanks

[Tweakers]

hmm your games have lag but you can burn movies? Video card temp maxing out?

[flaughert]

Core clock 700, Shader clock 1750, Memory clock 500
those card settings seem kinda odd too me, your core clock seems high, what kind of temps are your processor and videocard runnin?

[Louie26]

my cpu idles at around 38 an occasionally gets up to 50. my video card stays around 50

[QuietIce]

Well, I can tell one big problem you've got. If you're really running 7 (seven) Gb of RAM then your memory bandwidth is about half what it should be. AMD system memory will not run dual channel unless you have the RAM installed in matched pairs - and I can't see how yours could be matched with 7 Gb of RAM. Take a look at the CPU-Z (http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php) memory tab to confirm this. In the upper right corner should be box labeled "channel", which probably has 'Single' in it when it should read 'Dual'. Until you resolve that issue by balancing your RAM you will continue to have memory problems and poor performance. You're better off running 4 GB of matched RAM than 7 GB of whatever it is you've got.

I can't guarantee this will resolve your gaming issue, since there may be other issues as well, but I can guarantee your rig will perform better in dual-channel mode ...

[Louie26]

well then i ima try this, see what happens. thank you sir

[Louie26]

okay the channel box says dual... in slots 1,2 & 3 i have 2gb sticks of Nanya 1333Mhz and in the 4th one i have a Kingston HyperX 1GB 1600MHz. i also have 3 1gb sticks of Nanya 1333Mhz and 2 1gb sticks Patriot 1333Mhz... so what do you think would be the best setup??

[QuietIce]

Odd that it says dual when it shouldn't - it can't be. I'll have to re-evaluate my opinion of CPU-Z. :-/


Pick the biggest matched pair you have and install them in the first two slots. (Check your board manual to be sure but that looks right if the Newegg pic I'm looking at is correct). I'd guess 2x2 Gb sticks would work fine. You might want to download Everest and run a memory test at this time.

After you've done that you might be able to add 2x1 Gb sticks to the last two slots without loosing the dual channel. If I remember right the RAM sticks have to be balanced by pairs but the pairs don't have to match.

((It's been a few years since I've run four sticks so you should check your performance with a memory bench like Everest or SiSandra or something. Checking the performance before and after will make sure you're actually helping instead of hurting performance by adding the extra sticks.))

[Louie26]

alright sweet. ya i have everest ill give it a try tomoro... or later today actually. thanks for the help.

[David]

Does this happen with every game or just specific one(s)?

Have you tried going back to stock (first thing I'd do) and see if the problem is still there?

okay the channel box says dual... in slots 1,2 & 3 i have 2gb sticks of Nanya 1333Mhz and in the 4th one i have a Kingston HyperX 1GB 1600MHz. i also have 3 1gb sticks of Nanya 1333Mhz and 2 1gb sticks Patriot 1333Mhz... so what do you think would be the best setup??

I'd go:
2GB Nanya 1333
2GB Nanya 1333
1GB Nanya 1333
1GB Nanya 1333

That way channel one (I assume slots 1 and 2?) and channel two (3 and 4?) have matched sticks in them, and you only go down to 6 GB from 7 GB. You'll probably get more benefit from the ~10% increase in performance that dual channel brings than you will from the extra gig.

[Redstone]

Agree on going back to stock and seeing how things go. I have a similar system that is very stable and with a gts250 play games pretty much maxed out. Love that mobo. How the cpu cooling? Your cpu shouldnt get anywhere near 50 degrees idle.

[Louie26]

it idles at around 36 38, the highest ive seen it go was mid 50s

[tinymouse2]

The 9500 really isn't a powerful card though...
I wouldn't expect you to be able to play Grid on anything higher than medium.
My 7900gs (beats the 9500gt) could just about play Grid on medium at 1680x1050.

[ratbuddy]

GeForce 9500 GT 1GB

That's the issue right there.

[don'tknow]

The GPU is your weakest link currently. Match up the RAM sticks as explained above. Then save up for a better video card.

[SteveLord]

Weak GPU, running 7 gigs of ram for some reason and a weak powersupply for whatever replaces the GPU.

[Louie26]

alright heres how i set it up.

Slot#1 2GB Nanya 1333
#2 2GB Nanya 1333
#3 1GB Nanya 1333
#4 1GB Nanya 1333

an here are my benchmarks 1st on is when i had 3 2gb sticks of nanya and 1 1gb kingston...

http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad201/Louie26/RAM2.jpg

[TheGreySpectre]

I believe your video card is the week link, the 9500 is just not that strong of a card.

While I agree that you should be running your ram in matched pairs for dual channel benefits, I don't think that is the problem. I think the problem is that your video card is a little dated at this point.

[ratbuddy]

I believe your video card is the week link, the 9500 is just not that strong of a card.

That putting it mildly. 9500GT is basically an 8600GT with slightly higher clocks. Only 32 SPs IIRC.

[tinymouse2]

That putting it mildly. 9500GT is basically an 8600GT with slightly higher clocks. Only 32 SPs IIRC.

Actually the whole 9xxx series were exactly the same as their 8xxx brothers except with Cuda, PhysX and a fancy new die shrink.
So the 9500gt is the same as an 8500gt just with what I mentioned above.

For that CPU at 3.6GHz you should be looking probably at a 5770 at least if not a 5850.

[Tweakers]

my 5850 and the 965 oc'd to 3.9 / 2600 nb is getting me about 21000 on 3dmark06...if i switch my ram from 1600 to 1333 i get a better cpu score but lose slightly on my video...hmm i think thats right but could be backweards on the ram i suppose...notes at home lol..im at work..

[ratbuddy]

Actually the whole 9xxx series were exactly the same as their 8xxx brothers except with Cuda, PhysX and a fancy new die shrink.
So the 9500gt is the same as an 8500gt just with what I mentioned above

No. It's like I said. The 8500GT has half the SPs. The 9500GT is most closely related to the 8600GT. See http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=574&card2=513 and compare the specs.

[tinymouse2]

No. It's like I said. The 8500GT has half the SPs. The 9500GT is most closely related to the 8600GT. See http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=574&card2=513 and compare the specs.

The 8600gt is DX9 only isn't it?

[ratbuddy]

The 8600gt is DX9 only isn't it?

Nah, it supports DX10. Hell, even the 8300GS does.

[tinymouse2]

Are you sure? Fair enough, what's all this talkz of the 9xxx series just being copies of the 8xxx series with a couple of new features then?

[freakdiablo]

Are you sure? Fair enough, what's all this talkz of the 9xxx series just being copies of the 8xxx series with a couple of new features then?

I believe that some of the 9xxx cards use the G92 core, which was used in the 8xxx line, which is why you hear people saying the 9xxx line is the same as the 8xxx line. Of course NVidia beefed up the 9xxx line so if you go from an 8xxx card to the same model from the 9 series you'll probably see a performance increase. But I can also say the entire 8 series was DX10.

[ratbuddy]

Are you sure? Fair enough, what's all this talkz of the 9xxx series just being copies of the 8xxx series with a couple of new features then?

Read what I said again - the 9500GT IS basically just a shrunk copy of the 8600GT with a few things tweaked including clocks, but it's not based on the 8500GT like you said. I think the 9400GT is basically the same as the 8500GT.

[Artas1984]

Don't forget that there are 2 versions of 9500GT - one is a GDDR2 500 MHz version, produced in 512 Mb and 1024 Mb frames, what seems to be the case here, and which sux, and like was said before, falls behind a 7900GS, and the other is with 800 MHz of GDDR3, which is quite a decent card for gaming in medium settings, but is not the case...

7 Gb or RAM, Quad Core CPU and a schity VGA?
I will never understand this...
I would prefer 2 GB of high frequency dual channel RAM, high clocked C2D CPU and a high-end VGA.

[Joeteck]

25.6 GB/s and 128Bit memory interface = 9500GT also = LAG!

[gvguy39]

I have a 9500GT and as a gaming card was extremely laggy, upgraded to 2 ati 5770 xfire and couldn't be happier, and retired the 9500GT to an HTPC and works quite well in that capacity.

[Louie26]

I have a 9500GT and as a gaming card was extremely laggy, upgraded to 2 ati 5770 xfire and couldn't be happier, and retired the 9500GT to an HTPC and works quite well in that capacity.

nice upgrade.. ya im thinkin bout gettin one 5750 for now an more than likely get a 2nd one later on. or what do you think... is it worth the lil extra $ fior the 5770? kinda strapped for cash right now...