The next Vid card I buy will be....

[ka]

..... a 0.13 micron Geforce. That will go very nicely with a 0.13 micron Athlon or Sledgehammer. All wrapped up in a tasty water cooled jacket. Mmmmm. Tasty.

Seriously, I'm disappointed that these GF4s are not 0.13 micron as 0.13 was supposed to happen with the GF4, but it looks like the next generation from Nvidia will give us this.
I don't hold much hope of high OCing these cards but 0.13 should be a lot more fun.

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[Lou Natic]

Yeah, I think I'll be skipping this generation of cards and buying a GF5 when they come out. There just isn't enough of a performance gain over my GF3 Ti 500 to justify buying a newer Ti.

[Ritteri&Bubbles]

Ah, I would say the improvement is HUGE over the Ti500 to say the least. Our store just got some PNY samples of the Ti4600 in, and damn they are smokin fast in ALL games at all resolutions. People will be changing their minds on this card real soon, and with 128mb of 2.8ns memory onboard they have alot of room to grow, unlike the Ti500 which I think has already seen many limitations in its ability. Besides the Ti500 GF3 was realistically only about 10-15 percent faster than a Geforce2 but had new features added in. The GF4 doesnt really add new features, it just turbo charges the speed and streamlines the bus system for insane performance.

[Lou Natic]

Yeah, but are you willing to spend $399+ for that increase if you already have a GF3 Ti 500?

I could be swayed I'm sure, but I'm most likely going to wait for a GF5 (unless by some horrible luck I fry my Ti).

[Voodoo Rufus]

Thoes GF4s are nice, but I probably won't upgrade my GPU until my Kyro 2 gives out on me or won't run my games any more.

[Ritteri&Bubbles]

I look at it this way, you can still get about $200-$250 for your Ti500, selling it off would mean you only spend about $100-$150 in your upgrade. I told alot of people to get on Ebay and sell off the cards while you can get close to market value(you may still have time too as people on Ebay are morons),then take that money and some of your pocket cash and get a smokin card. Sorry Kyro2 cards arent worth a dime, so outta luck there.

[Voodoo Rufus]

I'm not getting rid of my Kyro until it's run out of use, which means 800x600, 16 bit color at 24 fps. It's a nice card and runs good for CounterStrike. 100 fps at 1024x768. Good nuff.

[Lou Natic]

What's the use of selling my card now when I can't even buy a GF4 Ti anything until sometime in March?

[Voodoo Rufus]

Why does Nvidia bother releasing a cardand then hold on to it until March? We can't buy them? There's no point.

[IcarusFalling]

The next video card I buy will have no less than 3 GPU's 512MB of 2.0ns QDR memory. running at 1ghz core and 2.5ghz memory. and be able to play Q3A at no less than 1million FPS at 1600x1200 with FSAA 6x. oh yeah while using twin monitors th whole time. :D

But seriously GeForce 5 is more than likely the next time I'll upgrade my vid card.

[Voodoo Rufus]

Any ideas on GF5 specs?

[CreePinG_DeatH]

All I know is that Geforce 5 is supposed to have QDR and .13 micron

[Voodoo Rufus]

How about 256-bit ram? I know the FireGL cards have it. They should move to that if they can, as well as QDR. That'd be a rippin' card with too much bandwidth (for a time).

[Overclocker550]

actually the nv30 wont be called the geforce5. Im 90% sure about that since I saw it at firingsquad. I doubt there are even rumored specs that early, but two things are certain: itll be faster, that we all know :) and itll have new features :)

[el]

no games out that even use the G3 features so why buy a 400dollar model that still no games use? what the hell is nvidia thinking with the 4mx too.

[MadMan007]

BitBoys XBA architecture!! (http://www.bitboys.com/xba.html) :lol:

K, now that I am done laughing at my own joke and can type again, I would say I will pick up a GF3 Ti 200 if they drop in price instead of dropping off the face of the earth and o/c it, or a Radeon 8500 LE and volt-mod it like this (http://www.overclockers.com/tips757/) in about 1-2 months when/if they are ~$120. Right now I have a Radeon LE registry hacked to full Radeon and 185MHz speed. I have to turn down some stuff for RtCW so I need a new card. And Unreal II will be a killer game, and a vid-card killer too.

Yes, I am cheap, but you know what?? Vid cards are one place where buying the latest and greatest is not smart. Why? By the time a game with 1-2 year development time, or 5 *cough* DOOM *cough* comes out, the vid card you spent $300+ on will finally be used to its potential. In the meantime, 2 full card generations have gone by and for <$100 one can get a better card than the 3 generation old $300 one. That is just my philosophy though :) I update vid cards ~ every 2 years.

my $.02

[rogerdugans]

My next video card.......will hopefully be agp, 8megs and less than $15!

I have a GeForce 2 MX400 that takes everything I dish out, which isn't that much: Serious Sam is the most graphics intensive game I have. As you can guess I am just a casual gamer.

I do however need old cards for Seti Crunching machines though!

I think the abilities getting built into the new cards are fantastic, but the cost of hardware for something that can't be utilized yet is tremendous much of the time: I wait till I can get a significant improvement for $100 or less to upgrade my main rigs card.

Just call me Cheap.

[Silver]

Most likely I to will be buying a gf3. Those of you that read Tom's article saw where he thought the vendors needed to start lowering the prices on the gf3s (to 150 to 180) as when the gf4s come out they will offer better performance at less cost. Those vendors still holding will be stuck. Makes sense as the version at $200 is supposed to run slightly faster than a gf3 ti500.

Heck with ball park performance I think I'll wait a few weeks for the market on the gf3 to fall out and pick one up on the cheap. If it does not happen then I'll pick up one of the 4400s and if it does then all the better.

[supergenius74]

BUT I"M GETTIN ONE! ok it's time to clear things up a bit, this happens every time something new comes out. First off all, anyone who bashes Nvidia needs to wake up, if your gonna bash someone go bash ATI for having performance and driver support that is below standard. Now for all of you complaning about a geforce 4 not being a significant upgrade from a ti-500, lets remember that 6 months is not alot of time to increase performance and if you can get a 25-30% performance increase in that amount of time that is very impressive. Next, I'm sorry about all you computer gaming newbies who ran out and bought a geforce 3 as soon as you realized video cards were "cool", anyonce who has been involved with this for any amount of time will tell you that Nvidia introduces new technology every 2 cycles and speed every 2 cycles, its a trend that is all to familiar to most of us. TNT (new technology) TNT2 (faster new technology) geforce256 (new technology) geforce 2 (new faster technology) geforce 3 (new technology) geforce 4 (new faster technology). From that you should be able to figure out which product is the best. If a geforce 4 is just a geforce 3 but much faster thats fine with me! I never bought a geforce 3, still got a geforce 2 and a year ago there wasn't anything out to really use a gF3 so if you had a brain you waited for a faster version because geforece2U's were outbenching 3's, just like TNT2U's outbenched gF256's when they came out. The Geforce 4 is truly a new product in the fact that it's not only a geforce 3 in capablilities thats much faster, its much more efficient. You can now run 1600 res and do it very well and with the latest options. I can't remember a product ever achieving that to date, and for all of us TRUE gamers with 19 & 21" monitors, that makes all the difference in the world. If you are looking for something to rant about, go pick something that does really suck, otherwise give credit where credit is due, Nvidia has created something really special this time and i can't wait till i get mine.

[Overclocker550]

well said! I agree and so does my gf2mx :)

[MadMan007]

supergenius, you are correct about the alternating new tech/speedier tech cycle going by names, but not if one goes by timeframe. The GF3 came out last spring, in the fall the GF3 Ti's came out (the GF3 speed up) and so the GF4 *should* have been new tech not because of its name but because of when it was introduced. It is sort of new tech, but not completely. The GF4 Ti's are sweet, but I have issues with the MX. Calling it a GF*4* is really stretching it, the cards do not have a lot in common (lack of vertex/pixel shaders, fewer pipelines, 64x2 instead of 64x4 crossbar memory) regardless of its performance.

Personally, I am probably gonna skip the whole 'first-generation DX8.x' cards and go for a R300 or NV30. Unless I can pick up a GF3 Ti or Radeon 8500 on the cheap (under $100.)

[Mulli]

True, true........... I still wouldn't fork over $400 duckys though!
I'm looking at either a gf3 ti200 or if the prices come down a gf3 ti500<Gainward>.




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[Overclocker550]

I agree with you, Im looking for the same too. either a geforce2ti or geforce3ti 200. depends on price 2 months from now. the gf3 is about 33% faster and has more features but right now cost almost double! ouch!!!!!!!!!!

[customrig]

geforce 4 ti4600 all the way

[]-[itman]

Originally posted by customrig
geforce 4 ti4600 all the way

If you have the money then i guess you can spend it however you want to. Personally i'm running on a TNT2 (my AMD machine will probably be sold and money will be saved for a hammer system). So I think I'm ready for an upgrade. I most likely won't by the 4600(I could build a new comp for $400). I said the same thing for the Ti500. $100 difference to me isn't worth the performance difference between the different Ti cards. I'm looking at the 4400(probably not still a little too much for me), or the 4200. The way i see it for $200 i can keep the 4200 for a few years maybe more and really get my money's worth. If i don't sell the AMD comp then I see no reason to upgrade at this time. I say if you have less than a GeForce2 Ti/pro/ultra/possibly gts and a monitor with more than 1024X768 resolution then it's time for an upgrade. That is if you're a gamer. If you have a GeForce 3 then i see no reason to upgrade this time around whatsoever. As far as the MX's go I agree it is a souped up GeForce2 and if everyone in the world was honest then it would have been named a GeForce2 Ultra Ti. But i think calling it a GeForce4mx is a marketing ploy that anyone in their position would do. Also, at it's speed, i see it as a good buy for a budget card for probably around $100. No it doesn't have all the features of a GeForce3 but then again it doesn't have it's price either.

[Arkaine23]

NV30 or better. Unless I can find a GF3 Ti 200 for $100. Then I could sell this Quadro2 card to my roommate.

[Silver]

If we are going to stay with dx8 and the gf3 ti200 is fast enough to run most games, then it seems to me a sweet spot will exist somewhere between the gf3 ti200 and ti500 when the new gf4s come out. I can pick up a cheap one of these to replace my mx2 and hold off for a future revision.

[Goodie]

Originally posted by Voodoo Rufus
Thoes GF4s are nice, but I probably won't upgrade my GPU until my Kyro 2 gives out on me or won't run my games any more.

Yup I agree. Im not going to buy a new card untill my GeForce2MX 400 can't play games any more. I can run Tribes2 with full Texture, Graphic settings on max setting , and I can run it at 800x600 at about 60+ frames Per Second. :D Im sure the games won't get much harder to run than tribes2 for a while yet. Although I have Tonnes of trouble with RTCW. For some reason I only get 23 FPS at 640x480 :( and everything turned down. :( , but this one game won't change my mind about buying a new card.

[supergenius74]

600 x 800 hehehe:beer:

[Placid]

Originally posted by el
no games out that even use the G3 features so why buy a 400dollar model that still no games use? what the hell is nvidia thinking with the 4mx too.

650mhz memory,300mhz core.

Do you buy a cpu because it has hypertransport technology or sse 2?

[Voodoo Rufus]

No, we buy a mainboard, cpu, and ram so we can use hypertransport, which has potential when we get higher bandwidth cards.

[Placid]

Originally posted by Voodoo Rufus
No, we buy a mainboard, cpu, and ram so we can use hypertransport, which has potential when we get higher bandwidth cards.

Exactly, has potential when. Just like the bells and whistle features on a video card that go unused until when arrives.

By then there will be even faster and more bells and whistle cpu's out.

Now how many posts do you see in the amd cpu forum where people are complaining that there is no hardware out to take advantage of hypertransport?

[CreePinG_DeatH]

what's hypertransport? lol seriously though... what is it? :-D

[Voodoo Rufus]

It's an AMD-designed high speed interconnect that can be used to link processors to chipsets or or chip-chip. I dont' recall the width of Hypertransport, but it goes up to 6.4GB/sec.

[Malakai]

w00t! whens that comin, with the hammer????

[Voodoo Rufus]

The Nforce is already using it to link the northbridge and southbridge. It's quite possible that it' in the 760MPX. No doubt it'll be in the Hammer chipsets.

[CreePinG_DeatH]

Ok.... and this extra bandwidth allows for what? Is it the same type of badwidth that a graphics card already uses?

[Voodoo Rufus]

From what I know about it, no. The extra bandwidth would help connect CPUs to chipsets, and would allow for high-bandwidth PCI cards to access the memory or CPU quicker, such as a SCSI RAID card.

[nohoy]

Originally posted by Voodoo Rufus
Thoes GF4s are nice, but I probably won't upgrade my GPU until my Kyro 2 gives out on me or won't run my games any more.

well you should be happy you dont have a voodoo and are running xp. it super sucks. so once i get my new computer (almost 1000 dollars) then i have to buy a new GF4. and about the ti 500 to a GF4 that doesnt make much sense

[Voodoo Rufus]

Why does running a Voodoo suck in XP? No drivers for it?