Duron 1200 vs T-Bird 1200

[Wega!]

Hi all. I have this 1200MHz T-Bird, and I was wondering if I would get a performance gain by buying a Duron 1200 instead. I know Durons under 1000MHz dosn't perform as good as T-Birds, but what about the Durons with Morgan cores?

Also how does these Duron overclock?

Thanks a lot!

[spazzkid]

i havent had a duron ever. this is based on what ive read from other people... i think the athlon has the advantage of more cache compared to the duron... an athlon and a duron at same clock speeds, the athlon wins. Ive yet got to see how a 1gig duron morgan wud compare to the athlons when oc'd

[thefly]

Increased L1 TLB - (translation look aside buffer) used to translate virtual addresses into physical ones to improve efficiency
SSE - 52 new instructions added allowing for full support of Intel's SSE technology (not to be confused with SSE2)
Data Prefetch - a hardware mechanism that works with the cache to increase performance (CPU predicts what data may be needed and stores it in the cache beforehand, hence the name)
Integrated Thermal Diode - much like Intel's processors, the Morgan core features a built-in thermal diode for more accurate temperature readings.

Err, now that the morgan cores have SSE support and is basically a palimino core with less l2, I wonder if it could match the 1.2 tbird. I guess that it would come damn close.

But i honestly think the tbird would over clock a little higher and win the race. Changing to a 1.2 morgan would probably about the same as your 1.2 tbird.

[Jon]

Well, I'll try to make a little sense of it since I have two 1.4GHz Tbird and two 1GHz Morgans.

About the only comparisons I can give come from use in SETI which is very demanding.

I'll usee two similar chipsets (similar as far as memory bandwidth and such go):

My dual 1GHz Morgan rig on an Asus MPX board overclocked to 1.1GHz (110MHz bus) give me just over 5 hour completion times per WU. My 1.4GHz TBird overclocked to 1.6GHz (on 160Mhz bus) give me just under 4 hour completion times...3h45m average to be exact. This is a difference of 50MHz on the FSB and 500MHz on the CPU for only about an hour and half of completion time. I would imagine that the 1.2GHz Morgan is a bit of an upgrade over a 1.2GHz TBird but only if you were maybe paying the difference in price between the two. If you ran that Morgan on a 133MHz bus and dropped the multiplier, it would be worth it in my opinion.

[Shmuck]

well, you probably know this, but programs like SiSoft and 3DMark all give t-birds higher benchmarks than Durons. And, hey, I just recently convinced a friend of mine to invest in a 1.4 t-bird rather than any duron. In my opinion, the t-birds are better, and the durons are usually just cheaper. I am not real sure about the Morgan core, but I still think the t-birds are a better buy.

Tim
Socket A M830 Sis 735
96 F load, 88 F idle
Athlon T-bird 950 @ 946 MHz 100 FSB
110 F Load, 86 F idle
192 MB PC100 slug-o RAM
GeForce 2 MX200 64 MB w/shiny new crystal orb (175/165)
WD 40GB 7200
Creative SB PCI512

[SickBoy]

Well, in a lot of tests between an equivalently clocked Morgan/TBird, it depends on the test. In tests where the data size is larger than the cache of both processors ( > 256 KB) the Morgan spanks on the Bird. This applies to things like media encoding and playback. In other tests and synthetic tests (which is what Sandra is) the TBird core tends to look a little better. Overall they're pretty close but I think the TBird still retains a slight advantage. So no, unless you're going from like a 900 MHz TBird to a 1.2 Morgan, I don't think it's an upgrade.

Another thing to consider is overclockability... right now the Morgan cores are topping out at around 1.3 GHz so a Bird would probably overclock better.

SB

[AarontheJC]

I hear beautiful things about the morgans as far as overclocking, but I've got my XP, so I didn't research them much. You've got a great board for overclocking...

I'd go with the t-bird if I were you, but it all comes down to $$$ and what you're going to do with the processor.

[portorock]

if I knew how to capture sisoft pics I would show you, but the cpu benchy for the 1.2 Duron is 3314\1660, and for the T-Bird 1.2 is 3295\1636 ALU\FPU. My sys (while my XP is being RMA'd) is the Dragon+ w/256m of Kingston DDR, Audigy card, and the 8500.


Edit: Sisoft even has an XP rating. Go figure. Well, it is at 1331

[AarontheJC]

Originally posted by portorock
if I knew how to capture sisoft pics I would show you

Print Screen
Go into your picture editing (Paint, Photoshop or equivalent)
Paste

That should work

I'll get you guys mine when I'm not using up my processor so much.

[portorock]

for some reason, when I updated Sisoft just a little while ago, the XP rating was changed to model #, go figure. Thnx Aaron

Edit: I tried to get it to show in the thread, but guess not

[AarontheJC]

I had the same problem in another thread. Let me know if you figure it out. I'm missing something stupid, I'm sure.

I like that theme you have there. Did you just set the color scheming to silver and red?

I did my extreme overclocking this week (in the snow)

Snow Thread (http://forums.overclockers.ws/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64386)

and I hit a 150 bus with my XP 1700. DS=4609 and WS=2286. I'd give you guys a pic, but that was a one-time deal. My CPU temp dropped to 20C and my board was about 7C under that. Hahaha. That was a lot of fun. Schmuck was over, he saw the marks.

[Carmine_Paterno]

I love my Morgan Duron. Never been more happy with a chip.

My duron was originally a 1.2ghz but now its clocked @ 1333 (166 X 8) @ default voltage. This baby runs real cool....only due to my extensive cooling method.

Im running a ThermalTake Volcano 6cu+ heatsink with a 120mm sucking out of the heatsink, and a 80mm blowing down on the heatsink. I idle @ 35C load @ 38C. This is a great rig.

[Starfoxer]

T-bird would win

[Wega!]

Originally posted by Carmine_Paterno
I love my Morgan Duron. Never been more happy with a chip.

My duron was originally a 1.2ghz but now its clocked @ 1333 (166 X 8) @ default voltage. This baby runs real cool....only due to my extensive cooling method.

Im running a ThermalTake Volcano 6cu+ heatsink with a 120mm sucking out of the heatsink, and a 80mm blowing down on the heatsink. I idle @ 35C load @ 38C. This is a great rig.

How high can you get the Morgan if you give it 1.85V?

[Carmine_Paterno]

Im pretty sure it does 1366 @ 1.85v.

[Wega!]

Originally posted by Carmine_Paterno
Im pretty sure it does 1366 @ 1.85v.

Hmm, that wasn't much for a 0.1V increase.... Anyway thanks for your info! :)

[FRANK]

I just got back from the show with a DURON 1200. I wanted another XP1600+ but they were out of them and the DURON was almost half the cost of an XP 1700+, I figured I'd give it a shot.

I currently have an AXIA 1.2 T-BIRD set up on an Epox 8KHA+. Tonight I'm going to run some benches to get a base line of the T-BIRD and then do some comparative testing over the next week or so. I will run the latest SANDRA benches at both default as well as overclocked.

In addition, I run SETI 24/7 and have a good baseline from that program to get some "real world" comparisons.

I may also throw an AKBA DURON 600 that does 1100+ into the mix to see how much of an improvement the later Morgan core gives.

I'll post back with the results.

[Yodums]

Originally posted by FRANK
I just got back from the show with a DURON 1200. I wanted another XP1600+ but they were out of them and the DURON was almost half the cost of an XP 1700+, I figured I'd give it a shot.

I currently have an AXIA 1.2 T-BIRD set up on an Epox 8KHA+. Tonight I'm going to run some benches to get a base line of the T-BIRD and then do some comparative testing over the next week or so. I will run the latest SANDRA benches at both default as well as overclocked.

In addition, I run SETI 24/7 and have a good baseline from that program to get some "real world" comparisons.

I may also throw an AKBA DURON 600 that does 1100+ into the mix to see how much of an improvement the later Morgan core gives.

I'll post back with the results.

Good Luck, hope to see the results soon. Although I do have my thoughts on the Morgan if it is overclocked.

[Wega!]

Originally posted by FRANK
I just got back from the show with a DURON 1200. I wanted another XP1600+ but they were out of them and the DURON was almost half the cost of an XP 1700+, I figured I'd give it a shot.

I currently have an AXIA 1.2 T-BIRD set up on an Epox 8KHA+. Tonight I'm going to run some benches to get a base line of the T-BIRD and then do some comparative testing over the next week or so. I will run the latest SANDRA benches at both default as well as overclocked.

In addition, I run SETI 24/7 and have a good baseline from that program to get some "real world" comparisons.

I may also throw an AKBA DURON 600 that does 1100+ into the mix to see how much of an improvement the later Morgan core gives.

I'll post back with the results.

I would really love to see those benches Frank. Good luck with your new CPU.