Best buy sold out of geforce4s!

[Overclocker550]

I went to best buy tonight and am supprised they already got geforce4's and also sold out of their titanium 4600's the highest end for $399 a pop. they also had mx420 for $129 and had 4 left, I guess the mx werent so popular since they had only 166MHz memory speed!

[Ritteri&Bubbles]

The Ti4600's have yet to officially ship yet, so how can they sell out something they never had??? The MX series is already everywhere but who cares. We got em, nothing special at all to me.

[Overclocker550]

you might be right, but I saw the price tag on the shelf read $399 and said geforce4 ti4600 and there were none left. also they are selling it on their website. weird. as for the mx, you say you got plenty, do you work in a store? are they selling like hotcakes? have you seen one in a computer? hows the speed and quality?

[TranceBear]

Originally posted by Overclocker550
you might be right, but I saw the price tag on the shelf read $399 and said geforce4 ti4600 and there were none left. also they are selling it on their website. weird. as for the mx, you say you got plenty, do you work in a store? are they selling like hotcakes? have you seen one in a computer? hows the speed and quality?

It is called bait-N-switch. They lure you in with BS claims of having it in and then say it is sold out. NOBODY has the GF4 TI yet. If somebody says you can order it know, They will tell you it is on back order as soon as you order it. I have the MX in stock and it is a fine card for the price.

[Starfoxer]

how do the MX's match up against a Radeon 8500 retail?

[Akumu X]

8500 crushes it...of course.
the MX line is well...an MX line. it's for the masses that gaming/video editting means nothing. or very very little.

[Henry Rollins II]

Originally posted by Starfox
how do the MX's match up against a Radeon 8500 retail?

There is a test of all new GF4 cards at tomshardware. There you can watch how GF4 matches up with the radeon 8500.

regards,
Henry

[Ice Breaker 489]

actually bestbuy had the ti4600 cards for preorder...my friend preordered his a few days ago on their website.

[Overclocker550]

did he get it for $129

[Ice Breaker 489]

no he didnt get the mx, he just got the ti 4600 on pre-order for $399 off their site

[Cisco Kid]

Why are so many jumping onm the bandwagon when a G3 or 8500 will do what they need heck a Radeon 7500 or G2 Ti200 will do just as well......

waste of cash imho right off the bat, wait for things to settle down people then watch the prices fall and buy then, cause you will not benefit from all the features for a while...

Cisco Kid:)

[Ice Breaker 489]

preach on man!

7500 for life!!!...or until maybe the new games that come out need a card like the 8500 to run them...until then!!!

[Overclocker550]

Originally posted by Ice Breaker 489
preach on man!

7500 for life!!!...or until maybe the new games that come out need a card like the 8500 to run them...until then!!!

the geforce4 will also run todays games, but faster!!!!!!!! :)

[sneakyfart]

the geforce4 will also run todays games, but faster!!!!!!!!






i think that pretty much sums it up...well said

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by sneakyfart
the geforce4 will also run todays games, but faster!!!!!!!!






i think that pretty much sums it up...well said

no my friend it will not as always the bottleneck is the monitor....i dont know of one with a refresh rate of more than 120 at a res of 1600x1200....when i can get a monitor and a graphics card that can do that and run games smoothly, then ill be impressed......you could always disable VSYNC but that causes tearing (at least on my comp)....

forget monitors....the ultimate bottleneck...our body....your eye will not tell the difference between 80fps and 180....

[Overclocker550]

"no my friend it will not as always the bottleneck is the monitor....i dont know of one with a refresh rate of more than 120 at a res of 1600x1200....when i can get a monitor and a graphics card that can do that and run games smoothly, then ill be impressed......you could always disable VSYNC but that causes tearing (at least on my comp)....

forget monitors....the ultimate bottleneck...our body....your eye will not tell the difference between 80fps and 180...."


then run your monitor at 60Hz. your eyes still cant see all of the 60fps, right? and describe what tearing looks like? and also imagine running a geforce3 at 2048x1536x32 with all options on max? youd get not many fps, LOL. a geforce4 will give you 50% more, might be enough to make it smooth

[Ice Breaker 489]

unneeded luxuries...

[Ice Breaker 489]

Originally posted by Overclocker550


the geforce4 will also run todays games, but faster!!!!!!!! :)

yes it will, and thats all fine and dandy but do you really need it that fast???

it will also make things in the game look prettier too right???
well while youre admiring the textures, lighting, details, etc your opponent will be mopping the floor with you in the servers you play games at.

don't get caught up in the looks, i mean its ok for a card to play your games well but there is such a thing as over kill...

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by Overclocker550
"no my friend it will not as always the bottleneck is the monitor....i dont know of one with a refresh rate of more than 120 at a res of 1600x1200....when i can get a monitor and a graphics card that can do that and run games smoothly, then ill be impressed......you could always disable VSYNC but that causes tearing (at least on my comp)....

forget monitors....the ultimate bottleneck...our body....your eye will not tell the difference between 80fps and 180...."


then run your monitor at 60Hz. your eyes still cant see all of the 60fps, right? and describe what tearing looks like? and also imagine running a geforce3 at 2048x1536x32 with all options on max? youd get not many fps, LOL. a geforce4 will give you 50% more, might be enough to make it smooth


well i dunno, i cant tell a difference past 1280x1024 i think even AA is really not worth it....of course thats just imho.......also tearing is hard to describe, looks like the screen is segmented like when i move little lines show up on the screen....quite annoying.......also once again how many monitors can use 2048 res? mine only goes up to 1280:(.....im not saying the G4 isn tgreat..its just too much money imho......and its features will not bein use for quite some time.....i also am not aware of any games that have res of higher than 1600x1200.......

[Bull]

I say it's a waist of money right now. Wait til the Geforce 4 ti 4600 comes out then buy a Geforce 3 Ti500 for alot less. It will run anything out there right now. 400 bucks for a video card is way too much. If you need bragging rights and have the money to blow go for it. But I'm going to stick with my Geforce 3 Ti 200 for now.

And Nvidia is phasing out the geforce 3's so in a couple of months they should be pretty cheap.

My 2 cents.

[Tracert]

I do alright limping along with my VE. I was thinking of getting a 8500 LE just because I was board with my current and I like the idea of paying $150.00 for something that performs close to a $300.00 card.

[Overclocker550]

Originally posted by Ice Breaker 489
unneeded luxuries...


unless you are rich :) which im not, so ill stick to a geforce2mx :)

[Overclocker550]

Originally posted by funnyperson1



well i dunno, i cant tell a difference past 1280x1024 i think even AA is really not worth it....of course thats just imho.......also tearing is hard to describe, looks like the screen is segmented like when i move little lines show up on the screen....quite annoying.......also once again how many monitors can use 2048 res? mine only goes up to 1280:(.....im not saying the G4 isn tgreat..its just too much money imho......and its features will not bein use for quite some time.....i also am not aware of any games that have res of higher than 1600x1200.......

quake3 has an option for 2048x1536 and I have run it in that mode before and its quite playable. I get about 25fps. thats on a geforce2mx in 16 bit :) man it looks sooooooooooooo good in that mode. no more jaggies :) smoooooooth as a babys bottom! even 1600x1200 isnt bad and I get 43fps(more if I overclock the ram) any faster card would be overkill for quake3, but not for newer games. quake3 is what? almost 3 years old? quake3 can run on any card faster than a virge! as for your monitor, sorry to hear. you can get a 19" from best buy for about 200 bux or overclock your monitor

[Overclocker550]

Originally posted by dlind4
I say it's a waist of money right now. Wait til the Geforce 4 ti 4600 comes out then buy a Geforce 3 Ti500 for alot less. It will run anything out there right now. 400 bucks for a video card is way too much. If you need bragging rights and have the money to blow go for it. But I'm going to stick with my Geforce 3 Ti 200 for now.

And Nvidia is phasing out the geforce 3's so in a couple of months they should be pretty cheap.

My 2 cents.



someone else said geforce3's will cost more once they become "rare" but I say no. just look at ebay!

[Cisco Kid]

Originally posted by Overclocker550


the geforce4 will also run todays games, but faster!!!!!!!! :)

BAH at some point you are getting no benefit over decent current cards such as a G2 Ti200, G3 or 7500 for example.

10 fps is squat to be honest once a card hits once a card hits the 100 fps rate

waste your cash if you have it hahaha, me I would buy a faster cpu

cisco kid

[Sundance]

Just wait a few months for the prices to come down. ATI will be releasing a new card in 6 weeks or so. New cards always make the older cards become cheaper.

[Overclocker550]

Originally posted by Sundance
Just wait a few months for the prices to come down. ATI will be releasing a new card in 6 weeks or so. New cards always make the older cards become cheaper.


radeon 9500? they have the radeon , radeonLE, radeonVE, radeon7000, radeon7200, radeon7500, radeon8500LE, radeon8500OEM, radeon8500 and now radeon9000, radeon9500 is logical :)

so many flavors!

GeforceSDR, Geforceddr, Geforce2mx200, Geforce2mx, Geforce2mx400, Geforce2GTS, Geforce2pro, Geforce2ti, Geforce2u, Geforce3, Geforce3ti200, Geforce3ti500, Geforce4mx420, Geforce4mx440, Geforce4mx460, Geforce4ti4200, Geforce4ti4400, Geforce4ti4600. man so many to choose from :eh?: :eek:

[Zuck Gou :)]

Originally posted by Overclocker550


quake3 has an option for 2048x1536 and I have run it in that mode before and its quite playable. I get about 25fps. thats on a geforce2mx in 16 bit :) man it looks sooooooooooooo good in that mode. no more jaggies :) smoooooooth as a babys bottom! even 1600x1200 isnt bad and I get 43fps(more if I overclock the ram) any faster card would be overkill for quake3, but not for newer games. quake3 is what? almost 3 years old? quake3 can run on any card faster than a virge! as for your monitor, sorry to hear. you can get a 19" from best buy for about 200 bux or overclock your monitor

A GF2MX getting 25 FPS @ 2048x1536 ?

Hard to believe.

[two_dope2000]

My geforce 2mx can get like 50fps at the highest res in unreal tournament and thats in 32-bit, i can get like 70 in 16 but why would i do that

[Ritteri&Bubbles]

First off, there is a lot of BS hitting the ceiling in this post.

Cisco Kid: Your bitchin about people "wastin" money buying a GF4. To some people $400 isnt alot of money, like to me. And I dont mind having the latest greatest, neither do alot of other people on this forum. A GF4 runs my Unreal 2 demo great. While maxing out most features nonethe less. An 8500 and a GF3 Ti500 are already showing their weaknesses on this new game to be released soon. Some people like myself want our video cards to play ALL the games maxed out, not 95 percent of them maxed out. SO quit harpin on a card because you may or may not be able to afford it yourself. Opinions are one thing but bitchin about people having the best equipment is another. ANd I have seen you post COUNTLESS threads about people wasting their money on having the best card on the market. SOunds to me like you're envious of the people with the best gear. Look at my rig stats below, do you really think $399 to me matters??? Judge the video card for what it is, not what its priced at. The minute you bitch about price, you bitch about your own financial status.

Funnyperson: OK do I really need to get into how rediculous of a comment you made about the "monitor being a bottleneck"???? Come on, please dont make me go there! I play all my games on an LCD monitor at 1280x1024 at 60hz, there is no bottle neck in ANY monitor.

Sundance: Like who really cares about ATI releasing another "Beta" product. In fact the Radeon 8500 is STILL in beta stages in their drivers!!!! Like I stated months ago the 8500 would never reach its potential,(which isnt that great as people thought from the specs to begin with)and already Nvidia has released a product that is far superior. Personally I dont need to see another half baked product from ATI again for awhile. As for that BS about releasing official drivers every 3 weeks garbage. They finally just released a few beta drivers on their website, yet its been since Novemember since they released a fully balanced official driver, their recent Beta drivers only optimize the card for specific applications, not improve on the current ones. ATI='sGARBAGE, wonder if they ever did get the Rage Fury to work right after 2 years............

Another thing, the GF4's feature set can be fully realized right away, its nothing really revolutionary, they basically retooled the AA function and T&L engine have been improved, widened the BUS bandwidth,added RAM and implemented a great dual display feature. That is why performance can be anywhere from 10-50 percent better than a current Ti500, and after playing with this card for the past week, it shows! The GF4 basically improves on all the Ti500's weaknesses and then turbocharges it. It really doesnt do anything new though, and that is a good thing! Leave the Beta BS to ATI to f*ck up on!

[Overclocker550]

Originally posted by Zuck Gou :)


A GF2MX getting 25 FPS @ 2048x1536 ?

Hard to believe.

beleive this: a geforce3ti500 would get 100fps in 1600x1200x32 in quake3 or 2048x1536x16! now thats smokin'! overkill at the most. say.......where do I get that unreal2 demo and does it have benchmarks? id like to see how many fps it gets on a geforce2mx and a 550MHz celeron

[Richard]

Here's why I pre-ordered a Ti4600.

I have a GF2. I skipped the GF3 and GF3 Ti, because all my games played just fine with the GF2. However, I have recently begun playing games like Serious Sam II, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, and Medal of Honor Allied Assault. While these games are still "playable" there are times when it is obvious the video card is the bottleneck.

I also want a true multiple monitor card. While Matrox has had these cards for a while the 3d acceleration leaves a LOT to be desired. ATI, on the other hand, has some nice dual display cards, but their driver team is behind the curve more often than not. (Not to mention that Linux drivers are virtually nonexistent.)

Lastly, when I decide to upgrade I want to get the best. I know that may sound a bit elitist, but I've learned that getting what you want the first time usually saves money in the long run.

[Tracert]

Is it me or did it just get warmer in here?

[]-[itman]

Originally posted by Richard
Here's why I pre-ordered a Ti4600.

I have a GF2. I skipped the GF3 and GF3 Ti, because all my games played just fine with the GF2. However, I have recently begun playing games like Serious Sam II, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, and Medal of Honor Allied Assault. While these games are still "playable" there are times when it is obvious the video card is the bottleneck.

I also want a true multiple monitor card. While Matrox has had these cards for a while the 3d acceleration leaves a LOT to be desired. ATI, on the other hand, has some nice dual display cards, but their driver team is behind the curve more often than not. (Not to mention that Linux drivers are virtually nonexistent.)

Lastly, when I decide to upgrade I want to get the best. I know that may sound a bit elitist, but I've learned that getting what you want the first time usually saves money in the long run.

those are all good reasons. Personally I wouldn't buy the 4600 because u could get the 4400 for $100 less for very close to the same performance. But if you have the money then more power to you;) I for one cannot afford the 4600 but i'd love to have the card.

[dreamtfk]

When will the GF4 Ti4200 be available? I want the nfinite 2 engine and i dont mind paying $250 or so for all the extras theTi series has over the mx. Toms benchmarks looked pretty promising as well:cool:

[]-[itman]

Originally posted by dreamtfk
When will the GF4 Ti4200 be available? I want the nfinite 2 engine and i dont mind paying $250 or so for all the extras theTi series has over the mx. Toms benchmarks looked pretty promising as well:cool:

Reports show probably mid march and they will only be $200 retail which to me looks very promising.

[Overclocker550]

Originally posted by ]-[itman


Reports show probably mid march and they will only be $200 retail which to me looks very promising.


yes but they will only be as fast as the geforce3 ti500!

[]-[itman]

Originally posted by Overclocker550



yes but they will only be as fast as the geforce3 ti500!

not neccisarily. I think that they will most likely be faster than the Ti500's. Of course i have no proof on this yet because they aren't out yet but even if they are not they have improved features and more memory allowing for higher fps at higher resolutions and larger textures not to mention better AA support which IMO makes games look incredible. Even if they are the same speed the Ti4200 will be able to look a lot better in games.

[Ritteri&Bubbles]

Since we already have a Ti4600 to play with, I can tell you YES, it is alot faster in quite a few games already, many games though it isnt noticeable, but this card is everything the Ti500 wasnt. Nvidia got all the pieces right on this one.

[]-[itman]

Originally posted by Ritteri&Bubbles
Since we already have a Ti4600 to play with, I can tell you YES, it is alot faster in quite a few games already, many games though it isnt noticeable, but this card is everything the Ti500 wasnt. Nvidia got all the pieces right on this one.

Man you are lucky to get one of these to play with! If I move to New England will you higher me;) Anyway most people are saying well there's only a 15% difference in speed and so on but the thing i like is that they jump ahead at higher resolutions! If you don't have a monitor that can support atleast 1280X1024 then i see no reason to upgrade over a GF3 but these cards smoke at higher resolutions. I mean c'mon the can play games with AA enabled at 1600X1200 res!!! IMO That will make games look stunning to say the least! Yes they'll have about the same FPS as a GF3 in games but they will look like a whole new game:D

[Overclocker550]

Originally posted by Ritteri&Bubbles
Since we already have a Ti4600 to play with, I can tell you YES, it is alot faster in quite a few games already, many games though it isnt noticeable, but this card is everything the Ti500 wasnt. Nvidia got all the pieces right on this one.


is yours an engineering sample or preproduction? maybe you got it in best buy? I heard only the mx's are out now

[dabhpr]

It gets weirder, folks...

Just got another email from Best Buy...
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My order still shows "in process/ on order" at their website.

I imagine that this is a form letter put out automatically by their computer systems, but it does not lend much credence to their claim of a "sytem error", does it??

Bizarre.

Maybe I'll actually get mine!

Well, heh, we'll see....

:cool:

[Wa11y]

Some of us are still running 32MB SDR GeForce2 MX 400s. I personally have no problem paying $400 for a two or three generation upgrade. I wasn't willing to pay $400 for a GeForce 3. As far as I found, it didn't really bring anything new to the table. So for now, yeah, my GF2MX400 is doing fine. Do I want a better card? You betcha. Will I go out and buy a GF4 right now? Nah, I'll wait and see what happens. Who know, perhaps I'll wait for a GeForce 5 next year.

[Ritteri&Bubbles]

The 2 samples our store got were preproduction models, both from PNY. They are NOT MX series cards. They are both Ti4600's. And you can tell you're playing on a new breed of card. Even using compressed textures show a huge difference in just visual quality. Frame rates like I said earlier are anywhere from about 10 percent faster to easliy double that over a Ti500. Aquanox,SS,UR2,MOHAA,SS2,NR4 are just a few examples where there is a BIG difference in framerate, and visual quality. Games like any 2d RTS(starcraft etc), Quake, etc dont really show a difference, but thats because a GF2 Ultra still smokes on games with older simple codes anyway. And After getting in a BRAND new very RARE Viewsonic PF77 17" digital CRT(has DVI inputs,perfect flat screen, unipitch grill and ARAG treatment)and a NEC FP1375x 22" digital CRT, it shows how these cards truely kick serious ass.

Im telling people, its time to upgrade all those cheesy analog monitors and get a smokin CRT with DVI input now, as its really showing to be worth the cash! Picture quality is insane. I feel like I can put my hand inside the screen on some shots. ANd best of all you can get (if you can find one that is)the VIewsonic PF77 for under $350 shipped.

[Wicked Klown]

I have this sinking feeling that all the guys who went for the $129 price at BEstbuy will end up paying $399. I hope I'm wrong, but it does say at the web site price subject to change without notice.

[MaximusGladius]

I think the point is, getting more bang for your dollar. Not the greatest and latest out there. What challenge is that?????

Any one with cash, can submit, purchase, but are they really proving anything?

Nope.

:D

[dreamtfk]

I'm waiting for the Ti series no doubt. Im running GF2 MX400 64mb now, so I'm expecting the upgrade to be quite substantial especially running more modern day games such as UR2 MOHAA etc.

btw can anyone give me a link to better understand AA?

[Ritteri&Bubbles]

The people who are paying $129 are buying an MX420 video card, NOT a Ti4600. Nobody is gonna get a Ti4600 for less than $399 for the firstr few weeks after its available.

[dreamtfk]

Originally posted by MaximusGladius
I think the point is, getting more bang for your dollar. Not the greatest and latest out there. What challenge is that?????

Any one with cash, can submit, purchase, but are they really proving anything?

Nope.

:D

I agree with you about getting more bang for the buck I am always researching and reading forums about stuff. The latest may not be the best but I do my homework till I find the greatest :D

[Overclocker550]

Originally posted by Ritteri&Bubbles
The 2 samples our store got were preproduction models, both from PNY. They are NOT MX series cards. They are both Ti4600's. And you can tell you're playing on a new breed of card. Even using compressed textures show a huge difference in just visual quality. Frame rates like I said earlier are anywhere from about 10 percent faster to easliy double that over a Ti500. Aquanox,SS,UR2,MOHAA,SS2,NR4 are just a few examples where there is a BIG difference in framerate, and visual quality. Games like any 2d RTS(starcraft etc), Quake, etc dont really show a difference, but thats because a GF2 Ultra still smokes on games with older simple codes anyway. And After getting in a BRAND new very RARE Viewsonic PF77 17" digital CRT(has DVI inputs,perfect flat screen, unipitch grill and ARAG treatment)and a NEC FP1375x 22" digital CRT, it shows how these cards truely kick serious ass.

Im telling people, its time to upgrade all those cheesy analog monitors and get a smokin CRT with DVI input now, as its really showing to be worth the cash! Picture quality is insane. I feel like I can put my hand inside the screen on some shots. ANd best of all you can get (if you can find one that is)the VIewsonic PF77 for under $350 shipped.


Man le$$ than $350 for a digitial CRT flatpanal? thats a killer price, even for a 15" I saw some of them, they look like LCDs, same size and thickness, but they are called digitial LCDs not sure on price, but 17" analog LCD cost like $800. I still like my 19" crt though :) at least it can do lower resolutions and still fill the whole screen. digitial lcds cant do below their native resolution unless you want a tiny picture with a huge black border

[Ritteri&Bubbles]

Viewsonic's 17" PF77, if you can find one still they sell for under $400 shipped, have 16" viewable area, .25 unipitch grille,perfectflat screen,ARAG treatment with DVI input, they were recently discontinued because of manufacturing cost and originally sold for about $500 roughly. Killer monitor.

[]-[itman]

mmMMMmm. I'd love that one of those monitors but i'm a little short of cash right now =\. Maybe someday;)

[Ritteri&Bubbles]

They have a few left on the web brand new for about $300. I would ask for a loan from the GF or rents if possible, this is one of those very rare diamonds that lies around untouched.

[]-[itman]

Originally posted by Ritteri&Bubbles
They have a few left on the web brand new for about $300. I would ask for a loan from the GF or rents if possible, this is one of those very rare diamonds that lies around untouched.

I would ask my GF but she's only 16 and doesn't have a lot of cash on hand either;). I would have the money but the place I worked at is closed for 2 months for repairs(that job's how i got the money for the amd system). I might be able to pull something together but i doubt it. I'll keep trying of course;)

[Overclocker550]

Originally posted by ]-[itman


I would ask my GF but she's only 16 and doesn't have a lot of cash on hand either;). I would have the money but the place I worked at is closed for 2 months for repairs(that job's how i got the money for the amd system). I might be able to pull something together but i doubt it. I'll keep trying of course;)


How old are you? im 19 but cant get a Gf or date :( guess im a true computer nerd. at least I got my 15 computers to keep me company :) anyways do you think they will make more digitial CRT/LCDs in a few years?

[Lou Natic]

I don't think I'll be purchasing a new monitor until the newer CRTs or especially LCD screens break the .24-dot-pitch-and-still-be-affordable barrier. I like my 19" that I have now, good gaming monitor, it just doesn't do higher resolutions (anything higher than 1600x1200). But then, neither does that Viewsonic.

BTW anyone check out that 21" monitor from Apple? FANTASTIC...if you have $2,500.

[Ritteri&Bubbles]

dot pitch specs are nothing to completely judge a monitor on. But any monitor that can display a .25 dpi across the entire screen sure is nothing to sneeze at. The .25 is a diagonal measurement BTW too on the above item, not the usual horizontal that most manufacturers give.

[dabhpr]

Oh boy, now they're trying to placate us or buy us off:

Just got another email:
___________________________
Dear Best Buy Customer,

We sincerely apologize for the error in your recent pre-order of the
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for cash. Valid major credit card required for online purchases. Not valid
as payment on the Best Buy credit card.)

___________________________________

So, I can link to their site and use a $30 off coupon - or wait to see what Kyle/Steve and Hypothermia can arrange...

What would you do?

[]-[itman]

Originally posted by Overclocker550



How old are you? im 19 but cant get a Gf or date :( guess im a true computer nerd. at least I got my 15 computers to keep me company :) anyways do you think they will make more digitial CRT/LCDs in a few years?

I'm 16 and still in hs so i have a few girls to choose from ;) GF's aren't the best combination for overclocking but hey, it's something to do on the weekends after you have everything oc'd to the max;)

[Richard]

I think you should take the $30 gift they're offering you and count your blessings, because it is more than I'd give.

[Overclocker550]

Originally posted by dabhpr
Oh boy, now they're trying to placate us or buy us off:

Just got another email:
___________________________
Dear Best Buy Customer,

We sincerely apologize for the error in your recent pre-order of the
VisionTek Xtasy GeForce4 Graphics Accelerator. Because we value you as a
BestBuy.com customer, we would like to offer you a $30 digital coupon to use
on your next online purchase.

Click here to redeem this coupon or visit our homepage, click on Redeem Coupons,
and enter and redeem the following code before February 28th, 2002:

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (coupon code).

If you have received a backorder email notification from us, please disregard
the backorder email notification, your original order of this graphics
accelerator has been cancelled. We apologize for any disappointment this
cancellation may cause.

Thank you for your understanding. Please do not hesitate to contact us with
any questions or concerns.

Best wishes from Best Buy,
The Customer Care Team

(Coupon can only be used one time and must be redeemed by 11:59 p.m. CST
2/28/02. Coupon cannot be redeemed for gift card purchases. Redeemable
online only. Coupon cannot be replaced if lost or stolen. Not redeemable
for cash. Valid major credit card required for online purchases. Not valid
as payment on the Best Buy credit card.)

___________________________________

So, I can link to their site and use a $30 off coupon - or wait to see what Kyle/Steve and Hypothermia can arrange...

What would you do?

wow thats great! use it on a small purchase, say a geforce2mx and its pratically free for you!

[Overclocker550]

Originally posted by ]-[itman


I'm 16 and still in hs so i have a few girls to choose from ;) GF's aren't the best combination for overclocking but hey, it's something to do on the weekends after you have everything oc'd to the max;)

im homecolleged(college classes via the internet) so no women for me to choose and no my 550 celeron doesnt count as a woman even though I say "she runs very fast and overclocks well." look at her run quake3! women dont overclock very well. when i was 16, there was this woman who rated 8 in hotness(if she gained a few, she could rate 9) she was 5'8 and weighed only 130. she could easily bench 105. oneday she did 135! nice overclock! the couch used his hand as a "heatsink" on her 6-pack to keep em from overheating, lol! i can bench almost 200, that is, if i still can today :(

[dreamtfk]

I think you should foward the coupon to me:D