ps3 vs xbox360 rant [Archive] - Overclockers Forums

arcanise

12-01-10, 03:37 AM

ok to start i am sick of every one trying to say the xbox is in fact better than the ps3. when i can then turn and ask them about the difference of HDD rpm's and they get lost so here it is my rant on the two systems

ps3-free multiplayer
xbox360-$$ per year to play multi

ps3-$300 for HDMI support, WiFi, Blu-Ray, 120GB HDD, cell Processor.
Xbox 360-$300 for system + ectra $$$ for wifi HDMI large HDD

PS3- large library of games with titles such as GT5 call of duty etc etc
Xbox-smaller library and Halo

PS3- no known system crippling errors
Xbox- RROD

older PS3- capable to load a linux OS
xbox- stuck as an xbox

so if PS3 is a more capable gaming console and a blu-ray player at teh same time for less where the hell does the Xbox win....i just dont understand i won both systems and i havnt touched my xbox since the 2nd week i had it.

i just dont understand how microsoft gets any sales on this thing...im so lost

Archer0915

12-01-10, 06:21 AM

I have a PS3 and it is a great machine. You have valid points but I am sure someone will counter.

zexmarquies01

12-01-10, 07:11 AM

First off, this thread should be in the Console Gaming section where it belongs.

But the other problem with this, is that some of your information is old.

1 - The PS3 has been known to give the Yellow light of death ( as it's being called ). I believe it's also a heat related issue. But the total death rate is somewhere around the 1% area, which isn't bad in consumer electronics. Also helps that they keep shrinking the die sizes. But it still does have system crippling errors.

2 - PS3 no longer supports linux if you updated to ANY version of the firmware after it was killed. And if you don't update, you can't play the newest games...which kinda makes the console a paper weight outside of playing movies. Unless you Jailbreak the PS3, but that's a totally different topic.

3 - While normal multiplayer on the PS3 is free, They now have a premium service that you pay a monthly fee for. It allows voice chat, and some other extra features.

4 - Saying "Cell Processor" in your 2nd list is kinda unfair. Anyone could easily mention the 360's processor, and how it's easier to port, and code games for.

5 - I wouldn't quite say the 360's library of games is "small". The 360 gets quite a few ports from the PC. It's just easier to move a game from the PC to the 360. But "Small" isn't exactly true. The library on both sides are pretty impressive. But it all boils down to what type of games you play the most.

Personally, I prefer the PS3. BluRay movie playback is probably the greatest advantage the PS3 has. Also, I tend to like the games on the PS3 more, mainly because I'm a big fan of JRPG's. Also, The built in Wireless is nice. Better than paying $99 for an adapter. But too bad it doesn't support 802.11N, because streaming HD video from your computer to your PS3 wirelessly causes jumping in the scenes due to 802.11G not having enough bandwidth. ( My dad had this problem. He finally routed a 50' Ethernet cable to fix the issue ).

That isn't to say there wasn't any decent games on the 360. There were quite a few that I really enjoyed. One of my favorites was "Earth Defense force 2017". Luckily, the new one they are making is going to be on both PS3 and 360. Also at the time, Tales of Vesperia was 360 only. And while it was FINALLY released on the PS3 not too long ago, there still isn't any word that it will be released to America on the PS3. Also at the time, Star Ocean: Last Hope was on the 360 only back then as well. It was only recently ported to the PS3 not to long ago.

Also to mention, I'm not a 360 fanboy. I'm not that big of a 360 fan really. Hell, I sold my 360 about a year ago, because it was collecting more dust than my Nintendo Wii. But at the same time, I can't let people use arguments that are either wrong, or require more information than is given ( yellow light of death, or the PS3 not being TOTALLY free for online use anymore ).

Archer0915

12-01-10, 07:24 AM

As far as game selection that is child appropriate for the PS3 and the BOX, BOTH SUCK. I bought a Wii for games. I have kids and other than a few good ones their is no real selection on either platform other than the older games you can get on the network:)

DBZ

12-01-10, 08:24 AM

Its just fanboyism (is that even a word?). I owned all 3 consoles and ignored all of them equally.

Badbonji

12-01-10, 10:05 AM

I own a Wii and PS3. Got a YLOD on my first PS3 after 4 years.

Linux support has since been dropped, and Halo isn't the only good Xbox game...

There are advantages to both systems, and if you just use them to play games then the XBOX probably has a wider range of them. The PS3 is better if you want to use it as a media server, although I am happier with my dedicated HTPC.

oakstave

12-01-10, 02:42 PM

I got a 360 so I could still play all my Xbox games. Can PS3 do that? :P

Archer0915

12-01-10, 02:55 PM

oakstave

12-01-10, 03:00 PM

PS3 can play a lot of ps2 and ps one games. Netflix, hulu plus, downloadable exclusive content and games, purchase and rent movies at the Playstation store, free online gaming, play standard and blueray movies, stream movies from a PC, fold and some other stuff.

The folding is really great. I'm not surprised that the 360 doesn't fold, and even if it did, I'd be nervous because of it's thermal issues.

You can also stream movies from a PC on the 360.

Archer0915

12-01-10, 03:17 PM

I honestly think MS backed the wrong standard (HD DVD) and did not focus on the full potential of the unit. They have improved a bit and I think we will see all of the companies learning from their mistakes next time around.

JonSimonzi

12-01-10, 04:52 PM

The folding is really great. I'm not surprised that the 360 doesn't fold, and even if it did, I'd be nervous because of it's thermal issues.

You can also stream movies from a PC on the 360.

You can, but it's very limited to what it can stream. Couldn't get .MKVs to stream no matter what, which the PS3 can handle with ease.

I recently sold my Xbox 360 to buy a PS3, and couldn't be happier. But the games have nothing to do with it. I never played a game on my 360, and will probably never play a PS3 game on my PS3. 3 things the PS3 can do that makes it more valueable to me than a 360:

1) Play Blu-ray movies.
2) Stream .mkv's and just about everything else from my computer
3) Stream Netflix (in HD even) for free, with the 360 you need the "gold" membership.

Those alone to me make it worth the $300 price tag. I am playing through FFVII which I bought of the Playstation store though, that's about the most gaming the system will see :)

4GHZ_or_bust

12-01-10, 06:59 PM

I haven't bothered to get the current gen consoles. I have XBox and it's had a total of 2 hours play time in all of 2010. I have PS2 and the only games I've played are the older PSX games and even then, maybe 10 hours total in all of 2010.

I also have Gamecube and it's got so much dust my local crime lab came to collect them recently for their future fingerprint dusting. :D

I think the one console with the most play time is

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Atari 2600 with 5 to 8 hours per week average. Gameboy Advance/SP is close second because of great many games.

I.M.O.G.

12-01-10, 08:23 PM

I'm pretty sure the ps3 and xbox 360 both work fine as media streamers if done with tversity. PS3 seems to make the video look better, not sure if its upscaling or better post processing or what.

Moved to console gaming section.

Aynjell

12-01-10, 08:26 PM

blah blah blah

That PS3 is useless without a game worth playing on it. Thankfully some have come out, but in terms of how easy a game is to develop on it, Xbox wins. In terms of "killer apps" xbox wins.

In terms of system hardware, specs, etc, the PS3 wins. The CPU is garbage though, good potential but way too hard to realize.

I.M.O.G.

12-01-10, 08:29 PM

Aynjell

12-01-10, 08:33 PM

I don't think thats very realistic dude. He clearly favors the PS3, but he has some points, and there are lots of good games no the PS3.

What killer apps are on the xbox? Live is better than PSN in my opinion, but other than that.

Halo. halo sells consoles. I'm not calling it a good game. I'm just saying it sells consoles. I seriously loved the story personally and bought Halo 3 to play the story. It's gonna take a lot more than heavy rain and uncharted to get the PS3 to a status of "better" than the Xbox, title wise. Halo is just a huge chunk of awesome that you have to get over. Also gears of war. those 2 games right there are the reason Xbox is better. Without better exclusive content it's a wash between the games that are on all consoles, and MOST times those games are anything special to begin with. Movie games, sub standard racing games, b grade shooters, etc. Nothing that really gets the fans moving. A year ago I googled what the PS3 had that the 360 didn't game wise. It was a very short list. Under 10 games I believe. None of them I wanted to play badly enough to buy a PS3 over my existing 360. I think this makes my point pretty clear. To the consumer, the console is a means to an end. It allows them to play x game. The PS3 can't play X game I want to play? Well then, it sucks. Well, that happens far too often with the PS3 now so I just don't see a need for one.

Sony doesn't have anything near that level of epic. They're JUST NOW getting Gran Turismo. I wonder why? I am thinking, despite what they say, it had a lot to do with the cell limitations.

For most, Forza was good enough. Good enough to justify not waiting on GT5. What really irked me was the GT5 demo... you had to buy... seriously, wtf?

hajalie24

12-01-10, 08:34 PM

ArcturusVi

12-01-10, 08:36 PM

ok to start i am sick of every one trying to say the xbox is in fact better than the ps3. when i can then turn and ask them about the difference of HDD rpm's and they get lost so here it is my rant on the two systems

ps3-free multiplayer (Yeah, that lets me join games almost seamlessly and party...)
xbox360-$$ per year to play multi (Seriously. Stop this argument. If fifty-sixty a year is even a mark on your budget, stop buying electronics.)

ps3-$300 for HDMI support, WiFi, Blu-Ray, 120GB HDD, cell Processor.
Xbox 360-$300 for system + ectra $$$ for wifi HDMI large HDD

(Ummm...300 for both. One has BluRay..that's the only difference that matters.)

PS3- large library of games with titles such as GT5 call of duty etc etc
Xbox-smaller library and Halo(LOLOL)

Yes, GT5: A six year graphical update to four. If they spent an iota of the time spent making a FIFTH of those cars "premium" on other aspects, it wouldn't have been such a soul-crushing disappointment.

CoD is on both, brah.

PS3- no known system crippling errors(YLOD...burnt lasers...plenty of overheating...)
Xbox- RROD

older PS3- capable to load a linux OS(no)
xbox- stuck as an xbox(Yes. How dare the device I bought do its one desired function)

so if PS3 is a more capable gaming console and a blu-ray player at teh same time for less where the hell does the Xbox win....i just dont understand i won both systems and i havnt touched my xbox since the 2nd week i had it.

i just dont understand how microsoft gets any sales on this thing...im so lost

I seriously have to ask, have you even glanced at console gaming in the past year? Only half of this was correct at best and that was over a year ago when it was.

darkknight187

12-01-10, 08:41 PM

Live is better than PSN in my opinion, but other than that.

IMHO this was how the 360 pulled ahead it may have subscription fee's but it just worked easier out of the gate drawing in the initial crowd and then pulling in that crowd's network of friends because in this console generation a lot of weight is on the multiplayer. I get zero MP game time with friends for being the outcast that chose ps3/PC over the xbox. That and apparently Gamerscore has become an addiction for some people...I still don't understand it but to each his own I guess.

I.M.O.G.

12-01-10, 08:45 PM

@aynjell: I think that pretty much makes sense.

hajalie24

12-01-10, 08:54 PM

Also, the PS3 seems to get a lot of ports from the xbox. I think black ops runs at a lower resolution and doesn't stay at 60fps constant like the xbox.

Aynjell

12-01-10, 11:56 PM

@aynjell: I think that pretty much makes sense.

Strictly appliance speaking, the 360 is the better appliance.

ArcturusVi

12-02-10, 12:03 AM

Strictly appliance speaking, the 360 is the better appliance.

Eeeeeeeeh, maybe. BluRay is a pretty big shoe-in for the PS3, especially since it is wireless out of the box with netflix. Most set-top BR players need an adapter to go wireless. PS3 gets the nod for ease of upgrade as it gives all BR security if needed in system updates, which are easy enough to do on the PS3 as opposed to set-top players.

Until I get deeper into GT5 I will reserve judgment. Initial experience, Forza3 walks all over GT5 in sheer game design. The physics engine could be argued all day, but who knows.

It's a shame that Forza 3 got no love and is now being bundled and seems like "filler". I spent hours just buying cars and tweaking them to do things they likely weren't designed to do. GT5 is indeed prettier...on 200 cars, but FM3 is hardly an eye sore.

I really hope GT5 delivers once I get into it. Sim racing needs some blood pumping in it. I'm tired of Generic arcade racers.

I.M.O.G.

12-02-10, 12:26 AM

@Aynjell: We disagree again.

JonEapples

12-02-10, 01:50 AM

XBOX 360 is the superior gaming platform IMHO.

Aynjell

12-02-10, 01:57 AM

@Aynjell: We disagree again.

What I mean to say is, in terms of gaming, it's the better appliance. Hardware wise you'll get more out of a PS3 if you have the time to learn to program on whatever the hell Cell's got going on, but Xbox 360 is far more straight forward, and what is more, they've got way more quadruple A titles on it than PS3 does. By Quadruple A, I mean, yeah you got triple A titles, stuff that everybody plays. Quadruple A's sell required equipment (Halo 3 -> Xbox 360::GT5? -> PS3)

In terms of a GAMING APPLIANCE, Xbox 360 is the better piece of equipment of the two. A body with a Wii and a 360 could probably be happy forever, or until the next console rush. Between the two you get 95% of all possible titles. Change either of those consoles out for the PS3 and the title coverage drops. That to me says it's a WORSE gaming appliance, a worse means to an end. If you can make that sacrifice happily for blu-ray playback, good for you. I'm glad it's a good compromise, but my statement stands pretty firmly.

Not trying to be rude or convince anybody, but just stating where I stand on it. Hardware can be better all day, but if you can't play anything on it, what's the point? LINUX is the better platform in a lot of ways but it's not the gamer's platform of choice for many many good reasons, much like the above. The 360 is the windows of the console world, PS3 is LINUX... or something closer to it. It gets some of the games, but it's VERY rare to see a game on the PS3 that isn't available on the Xbox 360, and those exceptions never sell consoles. The ONLY exception is GT5, potentially.

Perhaps I argue from a different viewpoint. Perhaps a consumer might want to hear IMOG's stance, an investor would probably want to hear mine.

Black C5 Z06

12-02-10, 02:01 AM

And with Kinect selling like hotcakes, you can kiss the Wii goodbye. 360 is taking over that market as well.

Aynjell

12-02-10, 02:04 AM

And with Kinect selling like hotcakes, you can kiss the Wii goodbye. 360 is taking over that market as well.

With generic store brand titles? Nope. Kids want "Fruit Loops", not "sweetened grain wheels". Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and other games based on these characters will sell consoles for generations.

I.M.O.G.

12-02-10, 02:35 AM

Perhaps I argue from a different viewpoint. Perhaps a consumer might want to hear IMOG's stance, an investor would probably want to hear mine.

Nah, I agree with you again. I'd agree about the 360 being the preferable gaming appliance in my mind, though I do think its inferior quality and hardware with other offsetting superior gaming qualities (like you've highlighted which make it better).

If I were naming a better appliance however, without qualifying the term appliance, I'd still name PS3... Its a formidable gaming system, a great bluray solution, and I've found it superior for streaming.

I don't have either, but I've lived with people in recent years where we did a lot of gaming and streaming. Both got used equally, the 360 mostly for gaming, the PS3 for media.

arcanise

12-02-10, 02:39 AM

Black C5 Z06

12-02-10, 02:39 AM

With generic store brand titles? Nope. Kids want "Fruit Loops", not "sweetened grain wheels". Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and other games based on these characters will sell consoles for generations.

2.5 million units for Kinect in 25 days is nothing to balk at. Dance Central is a KILLER app for that peripheral. It's only been out a month. Give the Devs a chance.

And kids these days have no clue what Zelda and Metroid are.

Black C5 Z06

12-02-10, 02:43 AM

nintendo will never lose this race just because of teh simple factor that they have all those characters in 100% ownership

granted yes my info may be a little old but i did clearly label any old facts with an (old) tag. and from what i can see from reading all the posts above the only stand out reason why the xbox is keeping up is because of Halo....still doesnt make 100% sense to me
The Xbox now has wireless-N built in. It comes with a 250GB HDD. The RROD is a non-point now with the new hardware changes to the chipset.
Name an exclusive to PS3 other than Uncharted that's worth a damn. Please.
Mass Effect, Halo, GoW, Forza, etc etc for the 360.

Now Live has ESPN. Add Zune, Netflix, Last.fm, etc to that, it is a full media experience now.

Devs still haven't reached the full potential of the 360.

Aynjell

12-02-10, 02:48 AM

Nah, I agree with you again. I'd agree about the 360 being the preferable gaming appliance in my mind, though I do think its inferior quality and hardware with other offsetting superior gaming qualities (like you've highlighted which make it better).

If I were naming a better appliance however, without qualifying the term appliance, I'd still name PS3... Its a formidable gaming system, a great bluray solution, and I've found it superior for streaming.

I don't have either, but I've lived with people in recent years where we did a lot of gaming and streaming. Both got used equally, the 360 mostly for gaming, the PS3 for media.

So you're saying that for gaming, the Xbox 360 is the better gaming appliance? I agree for media, ps3 is better, but I ain't buying a PS3 for that reason. I can buy most off the shelf blu-ray players for that.

Aynjell

12-02-10, 02:50 AM

2.5 million units for Kinect in 25 days is nothing to balk at. Dance Central is a KILLER app for that peripheral. It's only been out a month. Give the Devs a chance.

And kids these days have no clue what Zelda and Metroid are.

Sure they have. And if they haven't they've heard of marcus fenix and master chief.

deadlysyn

12-02-10, 02:52 AM

And kids these days have no clue what Zelda and Metroid are.

I'm going to have to disagree with this point. They do know, because those games didn't stop with the NES. As a matter of fact, my 9 year old nephew still plays Super Mario 3 on my old Super Nintendo. I even still play it on my Wii when the mood strikes me.

To be completely honest, IMO, all of the XBox vs. PS3 going back and forth is nothing more than fanboy bickering. They both have things they might do better than the other, but each one has it's place.:thup:

arcanise

12-02-10, 04:16 AM

ok so some new xbox's come with wireless-n and some other features but do they cost a mere $300? yea didnt think so

zexmarquies01

12-02-10, 07:34 AM

Name an exclusive to PS3 other than Uncharted that's worth a damn. Please.
Mass Effect, Halo, GoW, Forza, etc etc for the 360.
Now Live

A game that's worth *WHO'S" damn? Do be base what is a good game by what YOU enjoy, or what someone else enjoys? Those kind of arguments are baseless, what's good is a matter of opinion...but since you asked...

Metal Gear Solid 4, God of War 3, GT5, Little Big Planet, 3D Dot Game Heroes, Cross X Edge, Valkyria Chronicles, and Wipeout HD. That's not to mention the couple of RPG's that originally came out on the 360, but a year later got ported to the PS3 with Extra content, More characters, more voice acting, and better audio ( either uncompressed, or less compression ).

Oh, and Mass Effect 2 isn't a 360 Exclusive. It's also out on PC.

But pretty much all the games I listed, I have enjoyed quite a bit ( Except for GT5, and Wiepout HD. Didn't play them, But I know some people who are loving GT5, and love Wipeout HD. )

Again, I'm not trying to push the 360 off a cliff. Nothing personal, against anyone in this thread, or against any specific console. Just going after bad arguments in general.

zexmarquies01

12-02-10, 07:40 AM

And kids these days have no clue what Zelda and Metroid are.

I also have to 100% disagree with this statement.

You can't go to any gaming website or blog without seeing Zelda, Metroid, Mario, or megaman. You can't go to any store that sells shirts without seeing a mario, or zelda shirt. Go to an FYE store, or a Hot Topic. Mario, MegaMan, Zelda...they are plastered all over every piece of consumer apparel imaginable.

Go to youtube and look up video game music. The majority of all gaming music is either direct rips of the 80's and early 90's games, or people playing their own version of those exact songs on piano's, Keyboards, Guitars...etc.

Old school gaming characters are currently the popular thing. And they will continue to stay popular as long as people still get that feeling of nostalgia, and Nintendo keeps making money from them.

Tokae

12-02-10, 07:44 AM

boris_37

12-02-10, 07:59 AM

'I'm pretty sure the ps3 and xbox 360 both work fine as media streamers if done with tversity. PS3 seems to make the video look better, not sure if its upscaling or better post processing or what.

Moved to console gaming section.'

+1

Tiversity rocks with my PS3! :)

'PS3 can play a lot of ps2 and ps one games. Netflix, hulu plus, downloadable exclusive content and games, purchase and rent movies at the Playstation store, free online gaming, play standard and blueray movies, stream movies from a PC, fold and some other stuff.'

Also regarding the playback of older PS2 and PS games, only some older 1st gen PS3's were able to that I thought.. Mine will not play them. Sony dropped the implementation of the PS2 Emotion Engine about 3 years into the 1st gen's life because it was costly to build.

Correct. There was a 40gb and... 60? that played the games for the phat version. Even then they didn't play a lot of the games, it was just a half assed attempt at emulation.

The slims and EVERY other version of the phats do not play any PS2 games. Their justification if i recall was that it was a completely different type of processing etc that ran the games and they physically had to build things into the system to get it to work properly...

It bums me out as i had lots of ps2 games i liked and wouldn't mind trying again, but whatever it's only a matter of time before the pc gets an emulator.

On topic. I own ps3 but like 360. Both have a lot of exclusives that interest me and don't interest me. Games like Halo i have never liked and GT5 i can't just because i find racing games so dull and monotous.

It's a moot arguement in general, everyone likes what they like. I bought an original xbox when i was 17? just so i could play morrowind, who cares. $300 per system is not much unless you are younger than 16. You get a job and justify costs as you see fit. We spend a lot more money on other things and don't need to justify it to anyone else.

To reiterate my point, get over it people, this is a never ending arguement. We will never change anyones mind and won't really tell somebody something they don't know. It will always, always be "Ps3 is better" "NO NO, xbox 360 is superior". Who cares?

TheGreySpectre

12-02-10, 01:00 PM

ok to start i am sick of every one trying to say the xbox is in fact better than the ps3. when i can then turn and ask them about the difference of HDD rpm's and they get lost so here it is my rant on the two systems

ps3-free multiplayer
xbox360-$$ per year to play multi

From my experience Xbox multiplayer offers a better experience and is better supported then playstation multiplayer.

ps3-$300 for HDMI support, WiFi, Blu-Ray, 120GB HDD, cell Processor.
Xbox 360-$300 for system + ectra $$$ for wifi HDMI large HDD

Xboxs have had HDMI support for years now. The new xboxs come with wifi as well, wireless-n compatible in fact (to my knowledge ps3 only supports G). For $300 you also get a 250gig HD on the xbox and a 160gb drive on the PS3. The base model of xbox with no hard drive is $100 cheaper then the PS3.

PS3- large library of games with titles such as GT5 call of duty etc etc
Xbox-smaller library and Halo

The xbox has call of duty also, as well as numerous exclusive titles that are not limited to halo. For example: Forza, Alan Wake and Gears of War to name a few. I have no idea where you got the idea that the xbox 360 has a small library. In fact if you look at the wikipedia lists (and someone can feel free to cite a better list) the xbox has about 150 more english titles then the ps3

PS3- no known system crippling errors
Xbox- RROD

Playstation 3s have a yellow light error. Also the RROD error has not been a big issue in a long time.

older PS3- capable to load a linux OS
xbox- stuck as an xbox

Anyone who keeps their PS3 updated cannot load linux. So for the most part the playstation 3 is stuck as a playstation 3 as well.

so if PS3 is a more capable gaming console and a blu-ray player at teh same time for less where the hell does the Xbox win....i just dont understand i won both systems and i havnt touched my xbox since the 2nd week i had it.

i just dont understand how microsoft gets any sales on this thing...im so lost

Xbox got a lead early on for having a large player base with Halo and having the cheaper console. When they were first released the xbox was MUCH cheaper then the playstation and it was a while before the playsation got any system selling titles. By the time the PS3 caught up a lot of people had xboxs, and a lot of people will by the same system their friends have so they can play online with their friends. The playstation has more games that cater to the hardcore console gamer demographic but the xbox had a number of titles early on that catered to a large market with halo and gears of war.

When it actaully comes down to visuals both systems are still about the same. I have yet to see a game that I think looks much better on PS3 then it does on Xbox 360. Xbox has the advantage in this department of the fact that developers are familiar coding with it and hence it is easy to optimize there stuff for. Even if the playstation 3 has better hardware we have not really seen it used and the ps3 has been frought with it's own problems. For example while dragonage has better textures on the PS3 it has better framerates on the xbox 360.

When it comes down to it it is personal preference and neither system is really that much better then the other. Personally I like the Xbox better as I like it's exlusives better and I find it to have a better feeling controller and superior online experience.

Black C5 Z06

12-02-10, 01:26 PM

A game that's worth *WHO'S" damn? Do be base what is a good game by what YOU enjoy, or what someone else enjoys? Those kind of arguments are baseless, what's good is a matter of opinion...but since you asked...

Metal Gear Solid 4, God of War 3, GT5, Little Big Planet, 3D Dot Game Heroes, Cross X Edge, Valkyria Chronicles, and Wipeout HD. That's not to mention the couple of RPG's that originally came out on the 360, but a year later got ported to the PS3 with Extra content, More characters, more voice acting, and better audio ( either uncompressed, or less compression ).

Oh, and Mass Effect 2 isn't a 360 Exclusive. It's also out on PC.

But pretty much all the games I listed, I have enjoyed quite a bit ( Except for GT5, and Wiepout HD. Didn't play them, But I know some people who are loving GT5, and love Wipeout HD. )

Again, I'm not trying to push the 360 off a cliff. Nothing personal, against anyone in this thread, or against any specific console. Just going after bad arguments in general.
I said Mass Effect, lol. ME2 is coming to PS3 but I don't get why they won't also do ME.
GT5 from every review I've read (and just the content lists) is a gross travesty to the racing game world. 1/5 of the cars are PS3 quality, the other are copy/paste from GT4. The physics engine comparison between Forza and GT5 can be argued all day long as well. I'm a huge motorsports and car enthusiast and Forza is just the more inclusive game. It's not 200+ Nissans or whatever GT5 has in it.
I'll give you the God of War (excellent) series, but MGS is coming to 360.

On the side of user friendliness, the 360 wins hands down. This latest update was HUGE because it added in Kinect support while also completely changing the Dashboard. How long did it take? I timed it. Four and a half minutes. I'm quite sure a large firmware update for the PS3 takes 30+ minutes from what I've read. Also, the game install times (often required), the game patch times, etc etc all added together can take over an hour sometimes if you haven't turned your PS3 on in a few weeks.
With the 360, you are never required to install the disc, but when you are, it never takes more than 7-13 minutes, title updates average less than a minute, more dashboard updates are less than 5 minutes. You see where I'm going.

And yes, I won't deny one bit. I'm a 360 fanboy. It was even worse when I've been waiting on GT5 for 6 years now (played and loved GT3 and GT4 on PS2) and that was going to be the reason I bought a console then two days before it drops I start looking around at reviews and the content lists and was utterly pissed off.

Black C5 Z06

12-02-10, 01:28 PM

Xbox got a lead early on for having a large player base with Halo and having the cheaper console. When they were first released the xbox was MUCH cheaper then the playstation and it was a while before the playsation got any system selling titles. By the time the PS3 caught up a lot of people had xboxs, and a lot of people will by the same system their friends have so they can play online with their friends. The playstation has more games that cater to the hardcore console gamer demographic but the xbox had a number of titles early on that catered to a large market with halo and gears of war.

When it actaully comes down to visuals both systems are still about the same. I have yet to see a game that I think looks much better on PS3 then it does on Xbox 360. Xbox has the advantage in this department of the fact that developers are familiar coding with it and hence it is easy to optimize there stuff for. Even if the playstation 3 has better hardware we have not really seen it used and the ps3 has been frought with it's own problems. For example while dragonage has better textures on the PS3 it has better framerates on the xbox 360.

When it comes down to it it is personal preference and neither system is really that much better then the other. Personally I like the Xbox better as I like it's exlusives better and I find it to have a better feeling controller and superior online experience.
I'm actually quite excited to see how Mass Effect 2 will look on PS3 because on the 360 my jaw dropped numerous times at how gorgeous that game is. It is the most realistic looking game on the 360 in my opinion.

MattNo5ss

12-02-10, 01:55 PM

The reasons I got a PS3 are: there's not a single XBox exclusive title that I'd like to play, the MP is free, it can play Blu-Rays, and the graphics look better to me (especially on games that the coders really took advantage of the Cell processor).

Through college I lived with a guy for 6 years who had a 360, and I'd watch him play and even play myself every now and then. I just didn't see anything better about the 360. It's still a good system, no doubt. It seems like some people buy it b/c their friends have one (which is a good reason) and this cycle continues to sell 360s. That trend was started b/c the 360 was released a year before the PS3 so a lot of people bought since it was the best system out, then the friends of those people bought it, and it snowballed. The PS3 was really expensive on release too, that sold more 360s, but what the PS3 had was really worth the price at that time.

Nintendo will always sell games since they have a lot of classic characters from games like Mario, Zelda, Sonic, Metroid, etc.

TheGreySpectre

12-02-10, 01:59 PM

I couldnt tell you if ME2 will look better on the PS3, I buy all games that I can on the PC which blows both systems completely out of the water graphics wise :). 2560x1600 with 8x AA and 16xAnistropic filtering, higher quaility textures and so forth.

To the OP a systems power does not really have anything to do with how well it sells. Consider the original xbox versus the playstation 2. In that case the xbox was superior in the way in which you could change the hard drive have better online play, better graphics and turn it into a media center and yet the PS2 completely blew it out of the water sales wise.

I think it's funny how worked up people get about their gaming systems. If you can't see the merits of both systems then you probably aren't looking very hard. (I admit I'm guilty of fanboyism myself being somewhat of a PC fanboy, but I do try to see the other points of view)

Peeved Kitten

12-02-10, 05:05 PM

Oooooh a rant thread, I wanna play!

I own a 360, PS3 and have bought and sold 3 Wii's. I think all the systems of course have pro's and cons, but I find myself looking for xbox versions over ps3 versions lately.

I think that xbox live has a ton over on PSN, I'll clarify a bit.

You can party out of games and chat while you play single player games or different multiplayer games without being in the same game.

You can party share and watch netflix movies together synced up. (That doesn't sound so amazing, but some of my best memories lately have been with a few friends on Netflix hosting our own MST3K shows basically)

Banning! I like the fact that I can report an issue with a player and they might actually GET PUNISHED! I PVR all of my games and do youtube vids etc. When I run across someone cheating their tail off I send my video in with my complaint. I know for a fact that I have had people banned for cheating. I know that seems like a crappy thing to do, but I don't agree with cheating in online games where the playing field should be level.

As for the xbox vs. PS3 here are some of my highlights.

Music! I couldn't live without music, I seriously don't go more than 3 hours a day without it. With the xbox I can play music shared off my PC while I game. I can only listen to in game music for so long before I go nuts and with all the FPS games I play faster music helps.

I find the 360's dashboard and in game dashboard to be extremely useful and easy to navigate/manage. Wether I'm setting up music inviting friends to a party or reporting somebody, I can do it all in game easily.

Don't get me wrong I *LOVE* my PS3, Little Big Plante for the win 100%! Here are some of the things I think the PS3 has over the 360:

Instant and super powerful Media Server, coupled with the ability to swap it's Hard-drive for a larger one. I HATE the idea of having to buy a Microsoft "proprietary" HDD for a large mark-up. I put a 250gb drive in my PS3 the day I got it.

Blu-ray, Duh.

The Sony store: I don't use this anymore as Netflix pretty much dominates this market, but when my wife was diagnosed with breast cancer and I was working 80 hrs a week while caring for her this was a life saver.

No stupid MS "points" Sony takes Cash. I don't like the idea of paying for points in exchange for money.

I never got into the Wii, I really tried 3 times... I managed to sell every Wii for the same or slightly more than I paid for it.

Just my thoughts.

ArcturusVi

12-02-10, 11:04 PM

ok so some new xbox's come with wireless-n and some other features but do they cost a mere $300? yea didnt think so

Dude, can you read?

Every single xbox on the shelf has wireless-n. And yes, they do cost a mere 300. What is your bag?

And I am almost done with GT5 already. Standard cars can't have their wheels changed? I need paint chips?

I've also yet to have a race that isn't bumper cars. Forza has had race-ending wrecks since 200 FREAKING 4. I don't regret my collector's edition for GT5. I got it to make up for missing out on Forza's, but I don't know if I can grimace through this.

But seriously, somebody at polyphony needs to lose a job over this.

The sound is a mess. Load times are atrocious. No clutch, despite numerous wheel support with clutch pedals...no brake upgrade(have fun stopping that yenko camaro at anything over 50..) *sigh*...

KaiPLN

12-02-10, 11:12 PM

You can stream mkv to the xbox with a program called "PS3 Media Server"

Ps3 media server is a joke(If you stream to a xbox). The 360 plays 1080p fine through Media Center(extender).

You just need to get the proper codecs installed on your pc and no transcoding is needed(ps3 media server)...

Seeking is not possible on .mkv video while using ps3 server and works fine on media center.

I.M.O.G.

12-03-10, 01:09 AM

tversity is a better streaming solution for either xbox or ps3 in my experience.

KaiPLN

12-03-10, 01:38 AM

tversity transcodes .mkv's??

DBZ

12-03-10, 07:20 AM

boris_37, there is already a ps2 emulator, just do a lil google and you will find it. Works surprisingly well.

Who here think that Apple is gonna jump into the fray one of these day with a gaming platform?

MattNo5ss

12-03-10, 11:00 AM

Who here think that Apple is gonna jump into the fray one of these day with a gaming platform?

If that happens, then their system will cost twice as much as any other system and have sub-par hardware...

Peeved Kitten

12-03-10, 11:15 AM

KaiPLN

12-03-10, 11:23 AM

If that happens, then their system will cost twice as much as any other system and have sub-par hardware...

It will probably sell like hotcakes and not make phone calls either... I'm not bitter about my iBrick, really I'm not... :P

LOL This /\
Plus Imagine how much Apple's games would cost...probably 100 bucks a piece...

P.S. See sig below...

deadlysyn

12-03-10, 11:38 AM

Who here think that Apple is gonna jump into the fray one of these day with a gaming platform?

It will be called iGame, and will do nothing special compared to the other consoles out. You will be required to buy all of your games off iTunes, your TV will have to have a Display Port connector, and it will cost twice as much as the PS3 did at release. The TV commercials will star Justin Long, saying "Hi, I'm an iGame..."

zexmarquies01

12-03-10, 11:43 AM

Who here think that Apple is gonna jump into the fray one of these day with a gaming platform?

Not going to happen...At least, Not anytime soon. Apple's IOS devices are selling like hotcakes, and the apps out on these devices ( Ipod Touch, Iphone, and Ipad ) are selling like wild fire!

Look at the currently best selling apps of the week on Itunes. Almost any time you look, you will usually see something like 70% or more of them are games. And most of these games are compatible with all 3 types of devices, with the only difference generally being the resolution of the game, or the aspect ratio.

Creating a separate console would hurt IOS gaming. It would also greatly slow down the number of apps being bought, because everyone will be suddenly buying the Apple console and Apple games.

And even if it used the IOS platform, so those games could be ported over, consumers will end up treating it like the PS3's and 360's mini game store. The app store will end up getting neglected, because consumers will instead be shelling out $60 for an Apple console game, which will look 10x better than any App store games, will have better audio, can be played without having to look and mess with a small touch screen, and probably have some decent multiplayer built into those games.

Apple has put way to much time and money into their IOS platform, along with tons of time and money into the ability for that platform to deliver content to the consumers quickly, cheaply, and efficiently. A console would almost instantly fracture the App store beyond repair. And a console would almost certainly REQUIRE a special version of IOS to be effective, and compete with the PS3 and 360. Which I don't see apple in a hurry to split up their IOS devices, considering they JUST put all those devices under ONE OS. From now on, whenever there's an IOS version update, ALL their IOS devices get that exact same update. They finally have all their mobile devices standardized, which saves them a bunch of time and money by not having to develop specialized IOS verisons for each device. Suddenly releasing a console that would require its own specialized OS doesn't sound like something apple is very interested in right now.

But that's just my opinion on the matter. :D

TheGreySpectre

12-03-10, 02:06 PM

The gaming market in general is a very difficult market to get into that could very easily lose a company a lot of money. Consider that for the first part of the product cycle companies make little to nothing (or even lose money) on the consoles themselves and make most of the money in games. Unless they have something very different to offer I don't see any other companies entering the market anytime soon.

arcanise

12-03-10, 03:21 PM

hrmmm well it looks mostly like a fanboy match in here so i did my research and it turns out the xbox is better for multiplayer and for movies
the ps3 does have faster load times and better graphics and blu-ray

other than those 2 large oints everything else i pretty much a toss up

maybe they will squash each other when they come out with the next gen consoules maybe they will have dx11 and versions of the gtx580....yes it will be nvidia both companies go to nvidia for theyre cards since the ps1

MattNo5ss

12-03-10, 03:35 PM

Both have online MP with few lags or disconnects, but one is free. So, free wins in my book...lol.

KaiPLN

12-03-10, 07:35 PM

yes it will be nvidia both companies go to nvidia for theyre cards since the ps1

Last time I checked the 360 uses a ATI gpu not nvidia

deadlysyn

12-03-10, 08:05 PM

Both have online MP with few lags or disconnects, but one is free. So, free wins in my book...lol.

This I can agree with.:p

Last time I checked the 360 uses a ATI gpu not nvidia

It seems I remember reading that somewhere as well. I don't remember which GPU it was, but the Wii also uses ATI, unless the label on mine is a lie.:screwy: As far as I can remember, the PS3 was the only current console with an Nvidia GPU.

MattNo5ss

12-03-10, 08:31 PM

deadlysyn

12-03-10, 08:46 PM

I always like getting the most for my money, free > $ :) Unrelated example, Little Ceasar's $5 Hot 'n Ready Pizza > all other pizza.

About the GPUs:

Xbox 360 has an ATI Xenos GPU, a little better than the Radeon X1900.

PS3 has a nVidia RSX GPU, which is based on the NV47 chip (GeForce 7800).

Wii uses the ATI "Hollywood" GPU, but not much is known about it. Rumors say it's basically a GameCube GPU, but clocked 50% higher.

Either way, what this shows us is that 2 of the 3 major consoles on the market have ATI GPU's, which disproves the earlier statement about Nvidia pretty much having the console gaming market cornered.

arcanise

12-03-10, 09:18 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units

sorry the ps3 and xbox use nvidia not the 360

rainless

12-04-10, 08:37 AM

ok to start i am sick of every one trying to say the xbox is in fact better than the ps3. when i can then turn and ask them about the difference of HDD rpm's and they get lost so here it is my rant on the two systems

ps3-free multiplayer
xbox360-$$ per year to play multi

ps3-$300 for HDMI support, WiFi, Blu-Ray, 120GB HDD, cell Processor.
Xbox 360-$300 for system + ectra $$$ for wifi HDMI large HDD

PS3- large library of games with titles such as GT5 call of duty etc etc
Xbox-smaller library and Halo

PS3- no known system crippling errors
Xbox- RROD

older PS3- capable to load a linux OS
xbox- stuck as an xbox

so if PS3 is a more capable gaming console and a blu-ray player at teh same time for less where the hell does the Xbox win....i just dont understand i won both systems and i havnt touched my xbox since the 2nd week i had it.

i just dont understand how microsoft gets any sales on this thing...im so lost

Who the hell has been saying the 360 is better than the PS3? We only average about three posts a month in the console gaming section.

And second: Why should you care?

I'm personally just happy that I can downgrade my PS3 and get Linux back.

TollhouseFrank

12-12-10, 04:42 AM

TollhouseFrank

12-12-10, 04:44 AM

Who the hell has been saying the 360 is better than the PS3? We only average about three posts a month in the console gaming section.

And second: Why should you care?

I'm personally just happy that I can downgrade my PS3 and get Linux back.

Why do you care so much about Linux on a console? Game consoles are for gaming, not for pretending to be a better geek because you can run linux on it.

If you want to run linux, go install it on your toaster. :comp:

Theocnoob

12-12-10, 08:42 PM

Wii uses the ATI "Hollywood" GPU, but not much is known about it. Rumors say it's basically a GameCube GPU, but clocked 50% higher.

Tragically this is so. :screwy:

Why do you care so much about Linux on a console? Game consoles are for gaming, not for pretending to be a better geek because you can run linux on it.

Turns PS3 into free HTPC/general machine for living room for $0

arcanise

12-13-10, 08:55 PM

exactly theo

TollhouseFrank

12-14-10, 01:59 AM

Turns PS3 into free HTPC/general machine for living room for $0

The last I checked, it was at least $350.....

GoD_tattoo

12-14-10, 06:59 AM

oooH I'll jump in...

Bought a 60gb PS3 on Dec 26, 2006 just after launch. With games and a movie and warranty, came out to just over $800. Loved it. Worked great. Online multiplayer sucked. Every game had issues. COD4 was unplayable for like 18 days after release.

Bought an Xbox 360 for COD4 release. $330 or so. Worked great. Live 13 months for $35. No issues with COD4 or any other release. Map packs early.

2 1/2 yrs after buying PS3, YLOD....DEAD. I could have it repaired for $150 if I want...
2 yrs after buying Xbox, RROD......DEAD. Free repair. Sent it in, recieved new one..Been going fine ever since.

Bought another PS3, been working great so far.

In my experience, PS3 has been waaaaaay more expensive. I enjoy both systems now though...

By the way, both the PS3 and Xbox died the same week.

dumpa

12-20-10, 10:18 AM

...

By the way, both the PS3 and Xbox died the same week.

Wow that sucks! Talk about bad timing...

markp1989

12-20-10, 04:46 PM

I didnt read the op past this

"PS3- no known system crippling errors
Xbox- RROD"
As the ps3 also sufferes from the YLOD.

I personally like both consoles, ps3 is very good for streaming videos, and the web browser is nice, I own a xbox 360 for a few reasons the xbox 360 was a lot cheaper (At the time £180 vs about £400) even when you take in to account the £40 a year live member ship (you can get it cheaper then that if you don't get it straight from Microsoft i got my last one for £25) and because the xbox 360 controller fits my hands a lot better because I have pretty long fingers and thumbs i find the ps3 controller to small for my hands

imo both consoles are pretty even when it comes to gaming , ps3 wins in multimedia, bus purely for gaming xbox 360 wins , but fan boyism just annoys me, its almost as bad as the Windows vs Linux vs Mac debates you see, they are all good, it just comes down to what people prefer

my family also own a Wii, but it just sits in the corner unused, the graphics are dreadful, and it look like all Nintendo does is release the same stuff again and again (such as Mario) I can see why kids use it, but personally I hate it.

Aktunka

12-20-10, 10:33 PM

I have PS3, XBox360, and Wii.

I used the Wii for about a day and then never touched it again. I have it sitting in a box in the other room for about a year or so.

XBox 360 is the first console I picked up since the PS1. Lots of the games that I want to play and does a great job with them. I prefer the controller on 360 to the one on PS3, probably just personal preference. I did have a problem with the DVD drive after about 6 months, but got it repaired free. XBox Live is speedy for downloading and streaming.

PS3 works great for the games that it does have that I actually want to play. It seems to me that there are a larger percentage of the games for PS3 that are sports games, and I have no interest in those. Playstation network is horribly slow. I don't use wireless, straight wired to my FiOS 50Mb connection and it is still slower than heck.

For gaming, I chose the XBox version of a game unless there is a compelling reason to get the PS3 version. Both work just fine though.