Will the AMD AthlonXP 2000 T-bred be a very good value?

[OC-Master]

AMD Throughbred Processors, including the initial XP2000 @ 1.67GHz and XP2200 @ 1.80GHz will produce very little heat when compared to the Palomino.

But the XP2000 just might be the processor of choice for AMD overclockers since its the slowest of the the new batch and therefore will cost the least. Overclocking potential according to Japaneese news groups say the XP2000 T-bred will hit 2.0GHz+ without a voltage hack or additional cooling.

So by the end of next month, some of us in the forums here will have Athlon PCs running over 2GHz with normal cooling and setup! And dont be surprised to see Athlons over 2200MHz+ with Watercooling setups!

Do you guys think that the XP2000 will lead to the value success for AMD MHz ramping? :cool:


AXIA

[OC-Master]

This is a picture of the Throughbred XP2000 CPU, notice how AMD put all the connectors back on top of the waffer. This first release of the T-breds will be brown till fall when AMD changes the colour to green.


AXIA

[Bobby_Mac]

OMG i wich i had the money for that :D
Any word on the pricing for this bad boy??
combine this with a kt333 board and you would have yourself an awsome rig, throw in some water and mabye a peltier
I can only imagine right now.

[AKDUDE]

Wonder if they will be able to clock up to 2.4-2.7 ghz like the north woods are, or will we have to wait awhile for better steppings to see that...
AKDUDE

[OC-Master]

Well, the proto-type that was in the newsgroups was running at 1.75V to hit 2GHz so there would still be lots of head room to hit 2.2GHz easily since any motherboard that I've ever came accross officially supported up to 1.85V at least.

Also, thats the XP2000 which operates @ 1667MHz, thats a clean 333MHz performance boost:D @ 2GHz.

The first batch of T-breds will have a few flaws since its AMD's first generation .13M cores. Give them five months and theyll have cores for the T-breds like AXIA stepping and so forth on the T-birds.


AXIA.

[deathstar13]

i actually dont care about value. i just want one!
its gonna cost anyway i see it. at least $200+

but whats worse is alot of people dont understand is most current mobos only go to 12.5x multiplier. and amd didnt change the 2x bus system. or raise the fsb. so its gotta be 12.5x on the 2000+ . i couldnt even run a 2200+ :mad:

anyhow is just my reason to abandon my amd 760 chipset.
anyone having luck with the kt333? and can i use my crucial 2100 in it? i know i can run it now at 333 specs at cas 2. will mobo support it?

anyhow that t-bred has h20 written all over it. is actually why i went h20. so i could have it ready when the t-bred was released. better get in gear guys couse its gonna be a fun ride too 2.2 ghz!

[AKDUDE]

The latest Bios updated I did on my KT133a epox board has multipliers up to 16x if im not mistaken, but they took a few off the bottem end which I thought was strange.
Im very curious to see if my now outdated 8KTA3 will actually support a T-Bred chip.
AKDUDE

[OC-Master]

Actually, there's no need to worry about running out of multipliers. The XPs are all multiplier locked and have a factory multiplier setting which means for the XP2200, a 13.5X multiplier if forced no matter which setting you choose in the bios. The multiplier is set internally inside the processor.

So, your board should work right up to the XP2600 at least.

[deathstar13]

well id give it 2 weeks after its realese and these hacks around here will have that multiplier changed.

isnt this the case with p4? cant change multiplier? i dont know as i dont use intel.

[Batman@]

Personally I'm gonna wait off for the Bartons or clawhammers, I know its a while down the road, but they will be killer, my 1.2 athlon should hold me till then i hope!

[Yodums]

Originally posted by therock911@
Personally I'm gonna wait off for the Bartons or clawhammers, I know its a while down the road, but they will be killer, my 1.2 athlon should hold me till then i hope!

If you plan to hold it up for 1.5 years or something then you'll make it :D

[OC-Master]

Yes, the KT133A will support the Throughbred line of processors. You must either set the multiplier to 12> X multiplier or defualt to get the proper values. You must also lower the VCORE to 1.60V.


AXIA

[Ozzman]

ahh what a bitch they busted out a intel.. now execpt for price i have no other resson to buy a amd o and to chat with u wonderfull people also :D hmm and thats intresting about the multi.. yeah how will it do that?? i hope my kk266plus r can handle them.. also im guesing it will be on the same socket a right?? as on the durons and athlons?

[deathstar13]

well my plans now will include changing the multiplier.
and also raising the vcore.
as always amd does stuff to get around use, or at least give us a headache. cant u use a golden socket special made for em of course theoreticly to change the multy?

i just wont be that happy if i cant!

and yeh ozzman the mobo should be fine.might need a bios update is all and im sure all older boards will. and yeh socket A again

[Ozzman]

hmm i wonder when iwill will come out with a new bios update for my kk266 plus r

[OC-Master]

The newer multipliers being the ones above 15X>, you wont want to lower them since your gonna need the highest multiplier availible to achieve the highest overclock!

Even at 15X multiplier, a 250MHz overclock with a T-bred being you keep everything the same and raise the FSB to 150MHz wont be very much. I expect that people should get at least a 400MHz+ overclock with the first batch of the XP2000/XP2200 processors. You might want to wait even longer if your motherboard is already screwed for high end multipliers!

Example, if your board stops at 12X or 12.5X and you need the highest multiplier possible to achieve the highest MHz upgrade for your motherboard, I'd recommend stickin it out a few more months and plunge for an XP2600 or higher which uses a 15.5X multiplier and would automatically force 15.5X on your board unless you do something stupid and unlock the chip, then youd be screwed. It's kinda funny how the new chips work! eh.

15.5 X 150 will get you a few extra MHz over 15 X 150 ... where just saying that 150MHz bus is like the max for most people:rolleyes: . Thats an extra 75MHz just between the XP2500 and XP2600 with the same FSB @ 150.

Hope you understand cause im dieing here myself having to wait peacefully with my 1GHz birdy which runs a smooth 1350MHz

:beer:


AXIA

[deathstar13]

well if gigabyte doesnt have a bios update when they come out im buying a new mobo. i aint waiting.

plus also i think we will find a way around the fixed multiplier. i dont like em fixed. and ill do every trick i can or see to get around it.

heck my 1600 is at 12x now. only becouse my mobo wont go over 147 fsb. i still can get 137 fsb at 12x. isnt much lower. plus the extra mhz i get is worth the trade off.

[OC-Master]

um, the T-bred that I've seen at this demo show, HAD no pits so it could be just penciled in!

wouldnt you rather have 150MHz x 13.5 rather than 150 x 12.5??

With T-bred, you want the highest multiplier you can get your hands on, trust me. The O/C potential will be high and to take advantage, you need multipliers.

Unless your board will do 166MHz+ then we got a different story:D

[Patch]

Wow does anyone make a dual board that has a mult over 13.5? I want to build another strictly crunch box, and I think a dual T-bred is in order... muahahahah whadda ya think? and ideas for a good dual mobo? Jim

[Max Payneguin]

If anybody can get a t-bred to 2.2GHz, the PR will be around 2800+ according to the overclockers australia "Quantispeed Calculator".

[Overclocker550]

Originally posted by AXIA
Actually, there's no need to worry about running out of multipliers. The XPs are all multiplier locked and have a factory multiplier setting which means for the XP2200, a 13.5X multiplier if forced no matter which setting you choose in the bios. The multiplier is set internally inside the processor.

So, your board should work right up to the XP2600 at least.


and what happens if you unlock the multi?

[Batman@]

Hey, just out of curiosty, are there any quad ATHLON MP boards? if there are I wouldnt mind getting one, and folding with it :-)
Honestly cause I have 4 1.2 ghz MP's lying around here. Well as long as it will work with windows 2000, (if it can support it) or if windows xp prof. can support it.

[wildone]

Personally I'm gonna wait off for the Bartons or clawhammers, I know its a while down the road, but they will be killer, my 1.2 athlon should hold me till then i hope!

Originally posted by Yodums


If you plan to hold it up for 1.5 years or something then you'll make it :D

Nope it could be as soon as 6 months before the clawhammer is released and the first release will be a 3400+ chip ,and I cannot wait (an evil grin comes across wilds face)

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/story.html?id=1013575024

wildone

[deathstar13]

well yeh i would run the highest multiplier i could then max the fsb out. just now i cant get over 147 fsb on this xp1600. is why i went to 12x137 fsb.

but im kinda conserned my mobo isnt up to snuff. all my multiplier settings are dip swicths. the fsb goes upto 250 i think in bios. but can a bios upgrade be done? since the multipliers now arent done by bios im doubting a update can change that.

kool im glad the t-bred will be unlockable. i think amd will stick the pits in or something harder. just a headache but does deter some people.

[OC-Master]

If the duelly motherboard can run AthlonMPs/XPs then it should be capable of running duel T-breds.

Theres no real difference besides the voltage of 1.6V which is a real easy one to fix.

[Batman@]

wow as fast as 6 months?!?!?!?! I cannot wait! and to answer Yodums question earlier, yes i can wait 1.5 years :-) but hopefully wont have to!

[Malakai]

i think that thats being very optomistic. id say almost a year for hammers(HAMMER WILL RULE!) im gonna hold off for a barton. .13 SOI will be very good and o/c very well
-Malakai