A Rising Tide for Your RAC

[Adak]

Would it upset your contest if some Folding@Home people stopped by for several days of folding with your team?

I thought we could put your team RAC back to par, and give you a boost toward your next team conquest, as well.

You guys have done quite well since I folded with you, last.

[Bobnova]

Upset the contest? Absolutely not! The contest is to take over the world and every little bit helps!

[drshivas]

By all means, please join us!

[DocLiv]

Just joined the team. I've got Rosetta running on both my rigs. Thanks for the help in the CC fellas.:beer:

[PenguinsPal]

Let the poo fly, y'all are very welcome here.....

[HankB]

Would it upset your contest if some Folding@Home people stopped by for several days of folding with your team?

I thought we could put your team RAC back to par, and give you a boost toward your next team conquest, as well.

May I make a couple suggestions?

First, Overclockers.com had top RAC for all teams before the CC started. It would be terrific if the folders that pitch in could stick around until we get that back. It would be much appreciated and if many at all pitched in it shouldn't take long.

Second, when you are ready to return to your other crunching projects, stop further processing for Rosetta but do not quit the team. Your RAC will drop but I think the points you earn will still count toward total credit and that is also a goal of the Rosetta March event.

Of course, my suggestions are subject to approval by baditude as he is organizing the contest. I will withdraw these suggestions without question if he does not approve.

thanks,
hank

[baditude_df]

Howdy Adak. Good to see you back around these parts again. As always, we welcome all help no matter how big or small. Cheers. :)

Hank,
Points crunched are points crunched. If a person quits the team, or if I remove them, the points stay with the team. RAC will go with the person when they leave of course.
As you may have noticed, I recently did some housecleaning and chopped our team down from 300+ to ~120.
The 120 includes the 91 active members, plus members of other DC teams (Adak for example) that may want to stop back for a while to help out without having to join the team again and start from 0 points.

DocLiv, welcome to the team! :welcome:

[the_cultie]

I'll be joining in for a week or so of crunching. It's the least I can do for you guys :rock:

[Adak]

I have started this thread in the FAH forum:

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6859922#post6859922

Rising Tide is set to start at 8:00 p.m., Wednesday. Something similar to Bat Outta Hell week, but obviously the goal will not be passing teams right and left. You guys are too good (and high up the ladder), for that to work.

Like HankB, I thought raising your RAC back to #1 would be an appropriate goal.

Glad to be back, thanks.

[Adak]

Prelude to Rising Tide:

This is for the FAH or new members, just joining us.

When BOINC is installed and you have chosen the Rosetta @ Home project, don't be surprised at the large number of work units that BIONC will give you. Unlike the FAH client, BOINC will LOAD you up, and that is a good thing. Let it load you up - you may be given over 100 work units, that first time. That's just fine. :thup:

On the work units themselves, don't sweat the time remaining. Sometimes that time will even go backward. A work unit that estimates it will be done in 3 hours, may take 8 hours. That's completely OK. Your work unit is not "hung", and BOINC is not broken, if you see that.

You get your points AFTER you return a work unit AND it has been checked for accuracy. It's not immediate. Time is built into your points and RAC. A work unit that's worth a hundred points NOW, will be worth maybe 90 points, one hour later, and 80 points if you turn it in two hours later. You probably will not reach your maximum RAC, in 7 days, and you will have work units waiting to be validated - maybe dozens of them, or hundreds. The faster you finish your work unit and return it, the more pending working units, you'll have waiting to be validated.

Each folder has an info page, in Rosetta. Example is below, of mine. On the right hand side you'll see a column for "Results". Click on that in your page, and you can see all your most recent work units status. Many will be pending, but don't worry. That's perfectly normal. To see your info page, click on your name on the Overclockers.com team roster:

http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/team_members.php?teamid=230&offset=0&sort_by=expavg_credit

Then click on "Computers: View, followed by the number in the "Results" column (right hand side). You can also check when the last time your individual rig turned in a work unit, etc. right there. Pretty spiffy, eh? :)

The default values for BOINC are generally well chosen. I'd suggest you use them, except for one. Like FAH, BOINC has a screensaver option. (BOINC will run only when the screensaver would run). Turn that option off, and let BOINC run all the time. Like FAH, it will suspend working when the system gets busy, and start working when it's less busy again, all on it's own. Other than that screensaver option negative, relax and enjoy your folding for Rosie, with BOINC.

If you have any problems or questions about running BOINC or Rosetta, ask away. The team members here know a lot about it, and they're glad to help.

And don't worry about me bringing just one rig. Oh no. If the weather stays cool, I'm bringing 3 to 5 times that much.

The tide will be rising. :cool:

[PenguinsPal]

I have started this thread in the FAH forum:

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6859922#post6859922

Rising Tide is set to start at 8:00 p.m., Wednesday. Something similar to Bat Outta Hell week, but obviously the goal will not be passing teams right and left. You guys are too good (and high up the ladder), for that to work.

Like HankB, I thought raising your RAC back to #1 would be an appropriate goal.

Glad to be back, thanks.
Getting us up into that #15 slot overall would be great too .... Any help is greatly appreciated.....

[Bobnova]

Any help at all is greatly appreciated!
RAC tends to take 2-3 weeks to fully stabilize, but the largest growth does come in the first week. I think we may be able to get #1 RAC back with y'all's help.
Regardless of whether we re-hit #1 RAC though, the assistance in total points from a bunch of FAH folks helping us will be very noticeable!

[bmwbaxter]

yay :D the calvary is on the way.

[baditude_df]

Any help at all is greatly appreciated!
RAC tends to take 2-3 weeks to fully stabilize, but the largest growth does come in the first week. I think we may be able to get #1 RAC back with y'all's help.
Regardless of whether we re-hit #1 RAC though, the assistance in total points from a bunch of FAH folks helping us will be very noticeable!

During the RAC harvest we topped 250K, and that was due to not only to our staple folders and new members, but a buttload of help from our other DC teams. I have no doubt whatsoever that we will take back the number #1 spot, and also blow our previous high score (206K for this event) out of the water.

[baditude_df]

For all those F@H'ers, make sure to register HERE (http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=669587) for the contest and have a look at the contest requirements to make yourself eligible for the biweekly draws!

[Adak]

yay :D the calvary is on the way.

I reckon so. :clap:

[augie1111]

As you may have noticed, I recently did some housecleaning and chopped our team down from 300+ to ~120.
The 120 includes the 91 active members, plus members of other DC teams (Adak for example) that may want to stop back for a while to help out without having to join the team again and start from 0 points.



Would that pruning have included me as I didn't register last Nov. I had to rejoin the team, that's not a biggie though I was just curious. I didn't lose any points from last year either. Anyways, I got my i7 now crunching for you guys.:):soda:

[baditude_df]

I think so augie. Pretty much anyone who had a RAC starting with .0 and who I didn't recognize as a Mod, Senior or regular return customer.
Great to have you back though, we love i7's! :)

[the_cultie]

Just started crunching on my Opty. Will be interesting to see how it crunches. Lets get this tide rising faster :D

[Adak]

Welcome to Rising Tide - Day 1 of 7

Anybody have any problems getting BOINC up and running OK?

Our goal will be to stomp every other team, in credits per day, every day of this week. Not just to stomp them, but to stomp them so badly, that our team will rise to #1 in RAC. And to do it all in the next 7 days.

I'll be using the Rosetta stats for RAC and BOINC STATS, for the daily credits and other detailed stats,

Rosetta's Team stats are at:
http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/top_teams.php


The BOINC STATS are at::
http://boincstats.com/stats/team_stats.php?pr=rosetta&co=&st=0&or=18

Our Rosie team has already jumped up to the top producing team, and our RAC is naturally on the rise as well. As the members from 2008 will recall, our Rosetta team was not always so hale and hearty. We were stuck at #101, and not advancing much in 2008. A lot of people didn't even know we HAD a Rosetta team, because they didn't have their own forum then. They used the "Other Projects" forum.

Then one day The Pirate Fleet team came over to our forum, and posted some team trash talk, in "Pirate Speak", lingo. Including how they would take our women, our rum, and all the rest. Really, nobody noticed it much, because the Rosetta team was not very active. So TPF team came into our other forums, and posted some more trash talk. That got several of us looking into the problem, alright. Our Rosetta team RAC was just 3k at the time, and the pirate fleet was doing about 20k, so we weren't going to stop them from passing us.

I found one of the original posts of THE PIRATE FLEET threads. Pretty funny stuff:
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5757720&posted=1#post5757720

We rallied around, and decided to chase them down, and had a lot of fun doing it. (A lot of it is recorded in the first several pages of the Status thread.). TPF has never been near us, since then.

This is how our team production looked:
<First pic below> Since my rootkit virus is giving me fits, I can't post it on photobucket.

Now you can see how far our Rosie team has come in the ranks. That's really quite amazing. Baditude and his crew, have worked to build a really strong team. It's not a big team, just under a hundred active folders, but our production is still better than teams having one, two, even three thousand members!.

This is our current standings. The "magnifying glass" shows where the team was, just before the start of the Chimp Challenge. That's our first goal - to restore the team back to it's 192k RAC.

<pic of standings - #2 below>

The current standings look like this: <3rd pic below> This is earlier today, but that Credit/day column is the one I want to focus on. Every day I want to have our team lead that column, and lead it by a large margin. You can see that for the week, and for the month, we are well behind the Czech National Team. So we don't just need to be #1 in this column - we need to be #1 by a large margin. A "you're a turtle, to my lightning", margin.

Now, let's go chase down that #1 RAC position!

[RipD]

Just finished up a Folding@Home work unit and move that 2600K to Rosetta@Home .

[Adak]

Welcome, RipD. Good to have you with us.

Let me go grab our current stats for today. I see the Czech team has moved up 1k in RAC, today, but we have moved up by several thousand. We'll be tracking that during the week, of course.

Having several new members really helps out, also. Big welcome to all - your help during this restoration week "Thank You", is much appreciated.

[Adak]

Now let's see what our daily total credits look like: < 1st pic >

We did 236.4k today as of BOINC stats at this time. That's clearly a good total - the < 2nd pic > shows it's one of our best days ever (the top total is a "double", so it doesn't count. A double day is where the day before was missed, maybe the server went down, so two days worth of points, are credited on just one day.)

So, this is our 3rd best day ever. < 2nd pic >

That's an excellent start, but we'll be smashing it as more of us get into this Rising Tide. And so long Czech National team from #1 in RAC. We're bumping you off. :bump:

[Adak]

I'm rusty with Rosetta and how quickly team RAC climbs, but our first goal is to return Rosie to 192k RAC. That should be easily done in the course of the Rising Tide week.

Our rise in RAC to over 200k, may take longer than a week, but this will be a huge start in that direction.

So we have three goals for Rising Tide week:

1) Lead the Credits/day column every day, by at least 10k. Preferably, by 50k or more.

2) Get Rosie back to 192k, where she was before the CC race.

3) Get our RAC to 200k or more, and into #1 on the team RAC ranking.

I like that. That sounds like substantial goals for us to meet during this week.

What do you think, can we pull it off?

Tomorrow: How You Doing?

[RipD]

BOINC is not maxing out my CPU. I've got 5 instances of minirorosetta running. Should it be 1 per core? Overall CPU usage is 65%, which is very close to 5/8.

EDIT: Now at 100%. I increased the memory available to Boinc. Not sure if that was it or not.

[baditude_df]

BOINC is not maxing out my CPU. I've got 5 instances of minirorosetta running. Should it be 1 per core? Overall CPU usage is 65%, which is very close to 5/8.

EDIT: Now at 100%. I increased the memory available to Boinc. Not sure if that was it or not.

Once in a while you might get a WU that stalls. Go into your BOINC manager and have a look at the WU run times. I have 4 cores, and sometimes there are one or two WU's at 2hrs or less and two at 18hrs or something like that. I just typically abort those and it will automatically start on the next two.
If I have one stalled WU then CPU usage will be 75%, 2 will be 50 and so forth. I never used to have this problem with my i7 and 6GB RAM, but with this stock i5 and 4GB it happens all the time, regardless of RAM share in BOINC manager.
Sounds like you got things working though,

[augie1111]

Got my P8P67 Pro mobo going today and it's crunching away very nicely! :soda: I didn't bother to OC the sucker as it would have taken me some time to install the Hyper 212+, I'm all thumbs, so I figured it'd be best to just start crunching immediately. Plus I have to learn about this mobo as it's BIOS is quite different than what I last seen on my P5QPro.

Please tell me if I should OC right now and I'll try though I don't like rushing these things.;) Anyways, you got some more points going your way.:):attn:

[drshivas]

Thanks for all those helping us out! This is great! :cool:

And yeah, I just want to echo that RAC is really a trailing indicator, but tasks crunched are points crunched, and they all will count. :comp:

[Adak]

Got my P8P67 Pro mobo going today and it's crunching away very nicely! :soda: I didn't bother to OC the sucker as it would have taken me some time to install the Hyper 212+, I'm all thumbs, so I figured it'd be best to just start crunching immediately. Plus I have to learn about this mobo as it's BIOS is quite different than what I last seen on my P5QPro.

Please tell me if I should OC right now and I'll try though I don't like rushing these things.;) Anyways, you got some more points going your way.:):attn:

No, you shouldn't overclock it just yet. Tell you why. I just set up MY P8P67 Pro mobo, but my MUX-120 heatsink+fan hasn't arrived yet. C'mon UPS! :D :D

Seriously, overclock it whenever it's comfortable for you. The thermal paste or grease will perform best, only after it's gone through at least 24 hours of running, and several cycles of on and off.

Enjoy your new system. We certainly enjoy having you with us. :soda:

[bmwbaxter]

Nice to have all the fresh blood helping out. Thanks y'all.

[dfonda]

Thanks for the help in the chimp race:soda:...and now for "Payback".;)

Two i7's for awhile on Rosie...still trying to get to 2mill under my own name, dfonda.

[augie1111]

No, you shouldn't overclock it just yet. Tell you why. I just set up MY P8P67 Pro mobo, but my MUX-120 heatsink+fan hasn't arrived yet. C'mon UPS! :D :D

Seriously, overclock it whenever it's comfortable for you. The thermal paste or grease will perform best, only after it's gone through at least 24 hours of running, and several cycles of on and off.

Enjoy your new system. We certainly enjoy having you with us. :soda:Thanks Adak, it's a pleasure being here and helping out.:rock: I'm just a weekend OC'er so I appreciate the info. I'll take my time then.;)

I just noticed, lots of Canuckians in here.:)

[Adak]

It's day 2 of Rising Tide for Rosetta, and let's see how the team is faring.

Our goals were:

1) Lead the Credits/day column every day, by at least 10k. Preferably, by 50k or more.

2) Get Rosie back to 192k, where she was before the CC race.

3) Get our RAC to 200k or more, and into #1 on the team RAC ranking.


√ #1 Got it. We lead the credits per day column by 13k, over the Czech National team, despite an increase in their production.

#2 Our RAC has risen to 186k. Six thousand more to go. :clap:

#3 The Czech National team RAC has risen by over a thousand, just today. They may be getting some pay back from a CC team, as well.

Our RAC is rising faster than theirs is. We'll catch them before the week is up, unless they can keep increasing their RAC.

So our team is looking good. How are the individuals doing? Any problems setting up or running BOINC?

One crucial part to me, is seeing my stats. For the new members, here's one way to do that:

go here:
http://boincstats.com/stats/team_stats.php?pr=rosetta&co=&st=0&or=12

Where we are conveniently the first team in the list. Follow the team's row across to the right, and click on the blue & white bar graph icon, to see the team's detailed stats.

Then click on the little people icon just to the right, and you'll see another page with our team roster. Find your name (it sorts by clicking on a column triangle), and click on the blue & white bar graph icon, to see your detailed stats page.

All kinds of charts and what not to get a better feel for your crunching. One caution: there is a list of your "Best Five Days",which is sometimes quite misleading. Some days listed, and for long term folders, several days listed, will be "doubled" days. Where you folded for two or even three days, but the servers were down, so the credits were given for the first day they're back in service. Meaning one day will get the credits for two or three actual days of folding - and that day will naturally become a "Best Five" day.

If you are a new or returning folder, or have faster hardware now, the graphs can be very dramatic. See pic below for one example.

If you have an interesting graph stats, please post it up. I'd love to see it. Here's how you do it:

Find the graph you want to post in your detailed stats, as described earlier. Right click on it, and choose "Save Image as", and save the image to the folder of your choice.

In your forum reply, click on the "Manage Attachmets" button at the bottom of the Advanced reply page. Click on the "Browse" button, and select your image. Click on "Open", and when the pop up window disappears, click on the "Upload" button in the Manage Attachments window.

Sounds a lot more difficult than it is. A few well aimed clicks of the mouse, and you're done. Please post up some personal graphs - first, so I won't look like a megalomaniac posting up all my stats, and second, we get to know something about you. Something more relevant than your looks, to the project, and for the cure.

One thing that we used to have a lot of fun with in the early days of Rosie's "resurrection", was taking aim at a team ahead of us, and just having some fun with it. Now that Rosie is so far up the ladder, the teams are much stronger than the one's we raced by years before, and they're also much further spaced apart. Still - Team USA is not THAT far away that we can't dream a bit.

Here's what it looks like: < second pic below>

We were on track to pass team USA in 135 days. By the end of the Rising Tide week, I believe we will have reduced that number to less than 100. What do you think? They're just under 12 million points ahead of us now.

Can't finish without a BIG shout out to our newest members:

Andy, Orion456, and DFonda (Dave).

Glad to have you three with us.

[baditude_df]

Thanks for the help in the chimp race:soda:...and now for "Payback".;)

Two i7's for awhile on Rosie...still trying to get to 2mill under my own name, dfonda.

I saved your spot when I did the mass non-active member purge a few days back fonda, you should be able to pick up where you left off. Nice to see you around these parts again. :)

Thanks Adak, it's a pleasure being here and helping out.:rock: I'm just a weekend OC'er so I appreciate the info. I'll take my time then.;)

I just noticed, lots of Canuckians in here.:)

It's a pleasure having you here. Life's always better with a few Canadians around. ;)



One thing that we used to have a lot of fun with in the early days of Rosie's "resurrection", was taking aim at a team ahead of us, and just having some fun with it. Now that Rosie is so far up the ladder, the teams are much stronger than the one's we raced by years before, and they're also much further spaced apart. Still - Team USA is not THAT far away that we can't dream a bit.

Can't finish without a BIG shout out to our newest members:

Andy, Orion456, and DFonda (Dave).

Glad to have you three with us.



First off, big welcome (and welcome back Dave) to our latest recruits. :welcome: And thanks to Adak for rallying the troops once again! :thup:

And yeah, it's proven to be a bit tougher these days to find a good team to focus on, but what's always good is to pick a goal (say 15th place in our current case), then pick a team either on par with us or with slightly more production and race them to that spot. It worked during the last Harvest, but our pick for this event (UK BOINC Team) suddenly sh*t the bed in the production department and rendered themselves an unworthy opponent.
So now one of our contest goals is pretty much meaningless, and I've been looking for a way to reallocate this 3rd $100 bonus prize. So I figure what I'm going to do since we have all this new help from the F@H team, is throw you all in to the pool do weekly $50 draws for the next 4 weeks instead of our normal biweekly draw. Our way of saying thank you. First weekly draw will be on the 22nd, three days from now!

[dfonda]

Seriously, overclock it whenever it's comfortable for you. The thermal paste or grease will perform best, only after it's gone through at least 24 hours of running, and several cycles of on and off.

Enjoy your new system. We certainly enjoy having you with us. :soda:
Who uses the off button?:-/:D

I saved your spot when I did the mass non-active member purge a few days back fonda, you should be able to pick up where you left off. Nice to see you around these parts again. :)
Thanks for not purging me:shock:, I better do a better job of staying active!!;)

[augie1111]

Dang it! I keep forgetting to turn off 'Hibernate' every time I have a new build!:cry: There goes a half day's crunching.:bang head:rain: Hey MS, the thing ain't IDLE!:temper:

[Adak]

Ack! I hate it when the hibernation bug bites! I'm thinking it will not be biting you now, for a very long time. Your computers are almost a total match to two of mine - my card's a GTX 280 (when I use it), and instead of the 930, I have a 940 i7.

How do you like that 9800GT? I'm not too familiar with that card.

[Adak]

The tide is rising for our Rosetta team:

1) We just passed our first goal RAC of 192k, early this morning. That's about 12,000 higher than just 24 hours ago. :shock:

2) We didn't make any goals for increasing our team, but our team now has 100 members. With a medium - small team like ours, that's *Nice*!

Big welcome to all our latest team mates:

Name Totals RAC Country
================================================
111) benny 15,939 60.40 International
112) Jibby 15,800 1,360.9 United States
113) Peperoni-
killer 13,606 90.25 United States
114) Outback_-
Jon 13,002 6.49 United States

115) Yanko693 12,802 18.94 United States
116) stikxs 11,203 5.78 United States
117) Cookie 10,804 39.02 United States
118) Joel 8,907 7.94 Australia
119) KingAroan 8,335 14.43 United States

120) Andy 7,499 698.46 United States
121) igNite 7,356 2.44 None
122) Phil 4,715 78.18 United States
123) orion456 2,696 252.49 Canada
124) Lachlan 2,623 8.70 Australia

125) beekah 1,201 2.24 United States
126) the_cultie 926 84.93 Ireland
127) Shelnutt2 856 81.12 International
128) Cvsi3 589 58.03 United States
129) Daywalker
Pro 154 5.52 United States

Jibby has so many credits already, I had to knock off the last digit after the decimal place, so it would fit. Great folding, Jibby. Drop by and introduce yourself, please. Same invitation for every new member, of course. Post up an intro, please.

Also, IBM called Jibby - they'd like their supercomputers control returned to them, ASAP. :D

Our first two goals for this week, have now been met. We are the Credits/Day leader for Rosetta, and we have restored our team to the RAC it had, before the Chimp Challenge Race.

Since early this morning, our team RAC has risen again (Jibby, it's IBM calling for you...again!), leaving just 10k between us and the Czech National team.

Let's go catch 'em! :burn: :burn: :burn:

And well done, everyone!

[augie1111]

Ack! I hate it when the hibernation bug bites! I'm thinking it will not be biting you now, for a very long time. Your computers are almost a total match to two of mine - my card's a GTX 280 (when I use it), and instead of the 930, I have a 940 i7.

How do you like that 9800GT? I'm not too familiar with that card.

LOL, with your farm it would be hard to not have something almost identical!:D It works well enough for a 4 year old GPU. 4K PPD @ stock. Lost one last year but replaced it with a GTX460. No more GPU folding for me when this current lot dies except if within warranty.;):santa:

[PenguinsPal]

I can get 7K PPD out of my 9800GTX+...... With a little OCing I was able to squeeze almost 10K out of it ....

[xsuperbgx]

Thanks to all of the FAH guys! That is cool how the teams can work with one another.

I got my main rig back to rosetta last night. It should be a few thousand credits every day.

[Adak]

Welcome to day #3 of the Rising Tide.

We had a stunning day yesterday, beating any other single (not a "missed and doubled" day, ever for the team).


Best five days
Date Credit
===============================
2011-04-13 430,135
2011-05-20 266,186 ** new non doubled team record **
2011-04-02 248,396
2011-04-24 238,368
2011-05-18 236,459


We beat the Czech National team by (266k-222k) = 44k roughly.

Perfect!

Their RAC is now 204k, our RAC is now 195k = Nine k RAC to go to catch them! They are proving to be a tough team to pass in RAC, with their RAC rising as it is. We'll have to keep on eye on this.

Only yesterday, we were expected to pass team USA in 135 days. Today, that number has dropped to 129 days. In just ONE day, we knocked off nearly a week before we pass them.

Perfect!

This is the result of our whole team's effort. Sfu with his 27 system farm, is not folding for our Rosie team right now. Not one point or credit. Yes, we have some strong folders, but there's no one super folder who's carrying the team. It's a team, working together with a handful of helpers from the FAH team, and a half-dozen or so new members.

You have to be proud of that. Well done.

Enjoy your success here, and celebrate it. Tomorrow, we'll get a real glimpse at whether the Czech team RAC is going to climb out of our reach, or if it will succumb to our rally. Also, we look ahead and prepare for the end of Rising Tide.

But tonight, the weather is fine, the music is sweet, it's time to sing and dance, and celebrate some real success.

Jibby -- it's for you, IBM. :comp: :D :D

[Shelnutt2]

@Adak (and anyone else) You can embed attached image and documents into a post. After you attach it you click on the down arrow of the paperclick seen here:
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That will embed the image with the tag [ATTACH][/ ATTACH] where ever you want it.

[Adak]

Thanks much, Shelnutt2. I have several more pics I want to post up during the week.

[the_cultie]

Sfu with his 27 system farm, is not folding for our Rosie team right now. Not one point or credit.

He posted in the folding forum that he hasn't even swapped his farm back to his name. He's still folding for the monkeys :p

[DocLiv]

Thanks for the updates Adak. Looks like the tide is rising nicely. Great job everybody! Keep 'em crunchin' :comp:

[Cvsi3]

Hi everyone, I joined the team. Right now dont have anything special running, just an i7 2600K @ stock clocks running. Having bios issues atm, but once im squared away i will crank it up to 4.9Ghz and let it be until it gets to hot in here lol. But that should be a few weeks at least, then i may have to back it back down a bit. But wanted to introduce myself. Im a member at TRP, Decided to give folding a break a while back, and now i wanted to try something different. And i dont believe we have a team over there for Rosetta. So figured i would join here.

Dont know how the the points are averaged on this, whats "recent" refer to, 24hours, a week, month?

[HankB]

Hi everyone, I joined the team. Right now dont have anything special running, just an i7 2600K @ stock clocks ...

Dont know how the the points are averaged on this, whats "recent" refer to, 24hours, a week, month?

Welcome to OCF and the Rosetta team.

2600K - nothing special? Does not compute! (Lots more special than anything I'm running. :p )

Recent average (AKA RAC) is just a sort of running average. It takes weeks to approach it's steady state value.

[Adak]

Great to have you aboard, Cvsi3. I saw your name on the new member's list.

Check out the contest going on, maybe you can get in on it.

[Adak]

Welcome to Day #4 of Rising Tide.

The Czech National team RAC is about 204k, and we have just reached above 201k. We are taking aim at them! :snipe:
Take a look:

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Consider for a moment, the hard luck TSC! Russia team (third team in the above pic). In the Chimp Challenge folding race, they were ahead of us until near the end. Then we passed them and finished above them. We did the same thing last year! :clap:

Their folding team is also more than ten times the size of our folding team.

At the end of that race, the TSC! Rosetta team, was about to pass our Rosetta team, but then the CC racers returned, Rising Tide week got underway, and despite having 10x more crunchers, they've been left well behind us.

That is one hard luck team, alright.

These are today's figures from BOINC Stats. They update around 9 a.m. Pacific Daylight Time:

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The Czech team is still ahead in points for the week and such, but yesterday, we again topped the list for Credits per day, beating them by 58 thousand points! :thup: :thup:

The tide is indeed rising for Rosie!

Congratulations to everyone! That's great folding, no doubt. I'd like to thank the FAH team mates who have been helping out, and having fun making this happen:

*DocLiv,
*Shelnutt2
*Orion456
*RipD
*the_cultie
*Augie1111
*dfonda

People who are willing to join into projects like this, make it all worthwhile. Rosie's resurrection in 2008 is a good example. It wasn't just one person that put this team back to rights, it was a small group of enthusiastic folders and crunchers, working together, that got her out of the doldrums.

Now for a little necessary business. Our week of Rising Tide is just over half way done, and although my goal with Rosetta is to reach a million points, I know I have to get back to folding@home, and reaching a million points with SETI, also.

So, looking ahead, if you want to stop crunching for Rosetta (or any BOINC project), you should plan ahead for it. Here's how:

Estimate the number of work units you have stored on your rig. On this system, I have about 100 work units. (Each screenfull of work units is about 24 work units, your screen may be much different), and I have 4 screenfulls (just press the page down key) + a few extra.

Now estimate the average time to complete work units on that system. Mine take around 8 hours, depending on how much other stuff I'm doing.

Now do a little math:

Total computer time will be = Number of work units * hours to complete one work unit. For this system it's:

100 stored wu's * 8 hrs to complete = total hours to complete them.

total hours to crunch them all = 800

800 hours / 8 cores working at once = wall time to complete all units.

wall time = 100 hours.

100 hours / 24 hours = days to complete all work units.

days to complete = 4.1 days.

Counting back from the last day (Wednesday), I need to stop taking new work units on Friday night or Saturday.

1 day = Tuesday, 2 days = Monday, 3 days = Sunday, 4 days = Saturday (today).

So today, I'll go into the BOINC advanced view and click on the "Project" tab, and then on "Rosetta".

On the left hand side, I'll click on the "No New Tasks", button.
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Now the button says "Allow New Tasks", because it's a two position switch.

On Wednesday (or close to it), this rig will finish it's last work unit for Rising Tide week.

Since my other rig is very similar, no additional arithmetic is needed.

But Rising Tide week isn't over, and we're still trying to :bump: off the Czech National team from it's #1 ranking in RAC.

Oh Czechy, where are you? We're looking for you!
:snipe: :rofl:

[\dev\goat]

added my 2600k to the team :)

brian

[Adak]

Welcome to the team and forum, Brian. :D

Be sure to check out the on-going contest. I can't fill you in on the details, but Baditude_df can answer any questions you have.

[bmwbaxter]

Welcome to Day #4 of Rising Tide.
So, looking ahead, if you want to stop crunching for Rosetta (or any BOINC project), you should plan ahead for it. Here's how:

Estimate the number of work units you have stored on your rig. On this system, I have about 100 work units. (Each screenfull of work units is about 24 work units, your screen may be much different), and I have 4 screenfulls (just press the page down key) + a few extra.

Now estimate the average time to complete work units on that system. Mine take around 8 hours, depending on how much other stuff I'm doing.

Now do a little math:

Total computer time will be = Number of work units * hours to complete one work unit. For this system it's:

100 stored wu's * 8 hrs to complete = total hours to complete them.

total hours to crunch them all = 800

800 hours / 8 cores working at once = wall time to complete all units.

wall time = 100 hours.

100 hours / 24 hours = days to complete all work units.

days to complete = 4.1 days.

Counting back from the last day (Wednesday), I need to stop taking new work units on Friday night or Saturday.

1 day = Tuesday, 2 days = Monday, 3 days = Sunday, 4 days = Saturday (today).

So today, I'll go into the BOINC advanced view and click on the "Project" tab, and then on "Rosetta".

On the left hand side, I'll click on the "No New Tasks", button.
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Now the button says "Allow New Tasks", because it's a two position switch.

On Wednesday (or close to it), this rig will finish it's last work unit for Rising Tide week.




There is an easier way.
to control how you end with way less math is to



-open boinc manager
- click on advanced tab
- click on preferences
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then after the new window opens

- go to network usage tab
- then click addition work buffer and set to how every many days you want to keep.

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then go to the task page and click allow no new task.

after all that is done your computer will not get any more Rosetta tasks when you are done.

Cheers

[Adak]

Oooooh! I'm suspicious -- sounds much too easy! :D

Thanks for the tip. Do you also need to tell it to re-read the preferences or restart the BOINC manager or anything like that?

[bmwbaxter]

Oooooh! I'm suspicious -- sounds much too easy! :D

Thanks for the tip. Do you also need to tell it to re-read the preferences or restart the BOINC manager or anything like that?

as soon as you click ok it is done. nothing else for you to do. :)

[Adak]

Guess who the current team is with the highest ranking RAC, in the Rosetta project?

Yep, we just passed the Czech National team!

Congrats everyone, and way to crunch! :clap: :clap:

Edit:

The Czech National team has put on a rally, and regained the #1 position! This will be more interesting than I thought it would be. Both teams' RAC has continued to rise to over 204k. Where this rally stops, for either team, is anyone's guess.

It's now three hours later than the above edit, and we have regained the #1 RAC position. We are at 205.1k, and the Czech National team is at 204,6k, so it's still very close.

Having now tracked down my aftermarket heatsink and fan (delivered to the wrong address), the 2600k has joined the Rosie crunching ranks, at last.

[dfonda]

Congrats to the Rosetta Team!

I installed the newest client(6.12.26) on one rig i7@3.4GHZ(Clean new install) and have an old client (6.10.18)on my other i7@3.4GHZ.

Performance looks pretty close, the new one may have a slight edge. I like the interface of the old one(I'm just used to it). Are they claiming any performance advantages? If so I'll install the newest version. Will it save all my settings when I install it?

[augie1111]

Sorry man, I love math but I also like bmw's solution better!;) BTW, welcome aboard bmw and thanks! :clap:

I'm quite impressed: A small team of 129 can get at the goliaths, or they look like goliaths but blow on them and they fall apart.:D NICE!

Just some trash talk here, just in case one of them comes in here.;):D

[Adak]

Welcome to Day #5 of Rising Tide.

After some see-sawing for the lead, we now are in firm control of it (if you can ever call a moving average a firm). This is the latest figures, straight from Rosetta:
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and we're still leading the world in Credits Per Day on BOINC stats, and surpassed the Czech National team in credits for the week, as well.
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And while many teams on the top teams first page, are 10 x larger than we are, the Czech National team is only 7 times larger than we are right now, in active members. (We have 99 active members, they have 698 active members). It's very impressive, but if you just looked at the top teams page on Rosetta, you'd believe they had 3,295 some odd members, which they do have - but a lot of them are not active.

Looking at the teams list on BOINC Stats, the team right in front of us, is the USA team. Since we're earning more credits/day, I had earmarked them earlier as the team we'd be passing in about 100+ days.

True enough, but looking further ahead, there is the Free-DC team, with a very low average. Even though they are a million more points away from us than the USA team is right now, they WILL be the first team that we pass - in about 60 days. As our average credit on BOINC Stats continues to increase, that 60 will decrease to somewhere around 45 days. Definitely something to look forward to. :bump:

Gotta love this BOINC client. On FAH, especially in the past years, we'd spend this entire week, working on diverse problems with the various clients. With BOINC, there's very little time wasted on that. :clap: for BOINC.

But BOINC does have some silliness. Here's one of them. Say you downloaded a lot of work units and did a little folding, and then had a hardware problem, so you couldn't fold for awhile. Now when you start it up again, BOINC is likely to stop processing the work units you had started before, and start processing new work units, on a high priority basis.

I had 8 work units, all in their 80% to 96% percent complete range, and all 8 were suspended, while 8 new work units were folded on a high priority basis. When those high priority work units are finished, BOINC may finish up the original 8 work units, or it may decide to crunch 8 other work units, also on a high priority basis.

It's kind of funny, but rather frustrating. If you try to intervene to make BOINC finish the original 8 work units, it quickly becomes a mad house - best to just leave it alone. Let BOINC sort it out on it's own. You don't want me to embarrass myself by telling you just how I discovered that, do you?

Of course not. Thank you! :popcorn:

Enjoy what's left of the day, and let's see how high we can push that team RAC.

[Bobnova]

My advice: Never set the "additional work queue" thingie to 10 days. In my experience that leads to thrashing like Adak experienced (i mean, found! Heard about! Might have heard someone mention to someone else!). Around 6 days is longer then almost any Rosetta outtage, but also gives you 3 days of time when your box can be shut down without leading to thrashing or late units (rosetta wants units back within ten days of them being sent).

Personally I set mine rather shorter, as I've had my machine get unstable enough to fry WUs at a rate of 5-10 per second, but not unstable enough to actually crash.
It ate an entire 8 day buffer in around half an hour, then cut me off for 24h. AND I had to do 12h (24h?) of folding one WU at a time before BOINC trusted me with a full workload again. One at a time on a 980x@4ghz is a brutal punishment! 800RAC instead of 7000+.
That'll teach me to use the benching mentality with DC stuff :chair:

Anyway, much like you can roast your SMP2 eligibility with a slightly unstable machine you don't notice (I think FAH cuts you off from the smp2 bonus at 5 or 10 in a row, not sure on that), BOINC will shut you down for 24h and then only trickle WUs to you until you've proven yourself.

[baditude_df]

Hi everyone, I joined the team. Right now dont have anything special running, just an i7 2600K @ stock clocks running. Having bios issues atm, but once im squared away i will crank it up to 4.9Ghz and let it be until it gets to hot in here lol. But that should be a few weeks at least, then i may have to back it back down a bit. But wanted to introduce myself. Im a member at TRP, Decided to give folding a break a while back, and now i wanted to try something different. And i dont believe we have a team over there for Rosetta. So figured i would join here.

Dont know how the the points are averaged on this, whats "recent" refer to, 24hours, a week, month?

Big Welcome to you Cvsi3 :welcome:, we are very happy to have you on our team!
I believe your questions have already been answered above so I won't bother with that.

Sorry man, I love math but I also like bmw's solution better!;) BTW, welcome aboard bmw and thanks! :clap:

I'm quite impressed: A small team of 129 can get at the goliaths, or they look like goliaths but blow on them and they fall apart.:D NICE!



129 total, but what's more impressive is that for most of the contest we had only 91 active. Now we have 99. I've said it before, and I'll say it again,
This Team Rocks!

Guess who the current team is with the highest ranking RAC, in the Rosetta project?

Yep, we just passed the Czech National team!

Congrats everyone, and way to crunch! :clap: :clap:

Edit:

The Czech National team has put on a rally, and regained the #1 position! This will be more interesting than I thought it would be. Both teams' RAC has continued to rise to over 204k. Where this rally stops, for either team, is anyone's guess.

It's now three hours later than the above edit, and we have regained the #1 RAC position. We are at 205.1k, and the Czech National team is at 204,6k, so it's still very close.

Having now tracked down my aftermarket heatsink and fan (delivered to the wrong address), the 2600k has joined the Rosie crunching ranks, at last.

We'll probably leapfrog for the next few days. This has been the case for most teams when we pass them very slowly (ie: production rates are within ~50K of each other), then we'll pull ahead. It's just a matter of how much credit happens to be awarded to each team that day and when.
That is of course unless they really ARE rallying to beat us, then we would have a serious race on our hands. This would be fun.

Stay tuned later today for the first Rising Tide Weekly Draw!

PS: excellent work with the updates! Very thorough, I enjoy reading them.

[bmwbaxter]

Sorry man, I love math but I also like bmw's solution better!;) BTW, welcome aboard bmw and thanks! :clap:

thanks for the welcome aboard.... but i am a staple in the rosetta team number 6 in RAC last time i checked back and forth between 5 and 6th :p. got an i7, a phenom x4 and a c2q for a total for 16 threads running 24/7. :D

[Adak]

Bmwbaxter USED to be, right above me when I started testing my BOINC install on Rosetta, before this week.

I thought "OK, looks like he and I will be moving up the ranks in total credit, just about in lock step".

Then he blasted on up the ranks, and left me in the dust! :clap: I see I wasn't alone in experiencing that, either.

[xsuperbgx]

I accidentally unplugged my network cable yesterday. I don't think much work was reported yesterday, but the next update will be good.

[baditude_df]

I accidentally unplugged my network cable yesterday. I don't think much work was reported yesterday, but the next update will be good.

Meh, it happens. No biggie.

[bmwbaxter]

Bmwbaxter USED to be, right above me when I started testing my BOINC install on Rosetta, before this week.

I thought "OK, looks like he and I will be moving up the ranks in total credit, just about in lock step".

Then he blasted on up the ranks, and left me in the dust! :clap: I see I wasn't alone in experiencing that, either.

well if it was total credits then that is because of my 19000 per day on einstein@home

[turbohans]

I'm in! :salute: :attn:

[bmwbaxter]

welcome :thup:

[turbohans]

welcome :thup:

Thx man!

Yea, just decided to switch over about an hour ago. Pretty easy to set up compaired to the older F@H clients :rofl:.

Seems to like using a lotta ram too haha!

One question though, how can I run my GPU and SMP simultaneously?

[Adak]

Took you long enough, for crying out loud! Just kidding and ribbing ya.

I don't believe you can use a gpu in Rosetta, yet. FAH was really out in front with using them. SETI and FAH can both use it, but wait for someone to confirm Rosetta's status on this. I believe it was HankB who I'm repeating here, when answering this same question during the CC.

[bmwbaxter]

Took you long enough, for crying out loud! Just kidding and ribbing ya.

I don't believe you can use a gpu in Rosetta, yet. FAH was really out in front with using them. SETI and FAH can both use it, but wait for someone to confirm Rosetta's status on this. I believe it was HankB who I'm repeating here, when answering this same question during the CC.

No gpu units. Also no plans for gpu usage. In an old thread I stumbled upon way back (launch of 5xx cards) I read about hopefully the next nvidia gpu's ie. 6xx cards to have full c++ functionality so their cuda can then run CPU units for distributed computing. No need for special units. I think if this is true then rosetta is thinking ... Why spend time and money coding gpu units? when within 2 years nvidia will basically do it for us. But for now I am fine since lots of other projects use gpu's I ran my 580 for the CC. But it's home is with Einstein@home.

[turbohans]

Took you long enough, for crying out loud! Just kidding and ribbing ya.

I don't believe you can use a gpu in Rosetta, yet. FAH was really out in front with using them. SETI and FAH can both use it, but wait for someone to confirm Rosetta's status on this. I believe it was HankB who I'm repeating here, when answering this same question during the CC.

Ok, no biggie. I was just thinking I may have missed something simple. I don't mind using only CPU.

[Bobnova]

As I understand it the FAH GPU apps are largely written by Nvidia and ATI, and neither company had any interest in helping Rosetta out.

[turbohans]

As I understand it the FAH GPU apps are largely written by Nvidia and ATI, and neither company had any interest in helping Rosetta out.

HEHEHE, well,, at least that will keep the EVGA army out the picture! :beer:

...And I guess I can run F@H on my GPU and keep points coming in there too. ;)

[bmwbaxter]

As I understand it the FAH GPU apps are largely written by Nvidia and ATI, and neither company had any interest in helping Rosetta out.

Hmm. not sure about FAH(not knowledgeable enough about it) but Einstein@home did for sure by nvidia. They had a big thanks to them on their front page back near the start of the year. Went from using 1 gpu and 1 CPU to using---> 1 gpu and .20 CPU. So I could run 8 rosetta threads instead of the 7 I had been up to that point. Although in Linux you are still stuck with 1 gpu and 1 CPU

[DocLiv]

It's great to see Overclockers on top! Amazing accomplishment for such a small team. Cheers! :beer:

I think my last few wu's will be done soon, so that will it from me. For now anyways. Many thanks again for the help in the CC. Keep up the great work. :salute:

[Adak]

The info on programming for the gpu is readily available - but the memory is small, so the programming logic is akin to filling a barrel with a spoon. There aren't a lot of programmers who are able to comfortably work with it, except those from the graphics company.

[Adak]

Welcome to Day 6 of Rising Tide.

The Czech National team has again upped their RAC, but they are well behind us. That's the problem with a landlocked country - they have no Rising Tides. :rofl:

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Which also means we're well past them in credits per day. It's a serious drubbing:

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In the passing department, we've moved down from 125 days before we pass the Free-DC team, to BOINC Stats new guess of 90 days.

The problem is, BOINC Stats is rather primitive at guessing these things. For instance, it says I will pass "dejo" in 8 days. Actually, I'll pass dejo in just a few hours. It's guesser only works well if your production stays at a steady average. My guess is it will be around 44 days, till that :bump: of Free-DC, takes place.

After that pass, you'll have the USA and several other teams, fairly close together, to enjoy passing.

This is the graph of our RAC (and BOINC Stats version of RAC or BS-RAC), from the last 60 days. The upward 45 degree blue line shows our work this last week, the best:

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With the exception of the "doubled day", all five of our best days for Rosie, have been made during this week, with yesterday's totals right at the top of the list.

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That is amazing work!

As our week winds down, we say good-bye to one of our best, DocLiv. He threw up some very substantial crunching all week, and was also our first volunteer. Thanks for all your folding, here and in the CC race.
:salute: to a first rate folder. :salute:

[turbohans]

No more GPU folding for me when this current lot dies except if within warranty.;):santa:

My GPU lifecycle: 1) put it in computer 2) fold till it dies 3) bake in oven 4) repeat


LOL :beer:

[Bobnova]

I love it!
Very much like the benching GPU lifecycle :P

[Adak]

I see the Czech National team has mounted a serious rally today. Their RAC is now up to nearly 210k!

[Adak]

Final Entry for Rising Tide

The Czech National team rally has leveled off at 210k, but they will remain a real force to be dealt with in the future. How could they not be with that many members, and such a good RAC number?

My earlier estimate of 45 days to pass Free-DC, were not correct. Give BOINC stats props, it has the right number of 98 (which will change of course as our RAC fluctuates). The problem is, there ARE no other teams in the 90 Million points range, except us. So we have a 10 Million points gap to cross, and then another 2-3 Million points, before we reach the Free-DC team. With these new figures, we've moved our overtake up by about 25 days, during this week - and that's not easily done.

Even on our last day, we're still top of the credits per day column:

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Every goal we set for this week, has been met and surpassed so clearly, there's no reason to bring them up. :thup:

It is amazing to see how far this team has risen in the ranks, since 2008. You are the riders of the rising tide, and Rosetta is lucky to have you as supporters.


Ride on!


Big Thank You! to the crew of folders who came down to help with Rising Tide:

Augie1111
dfonda
DocLiv,
Orion456
RipD
Shelnutt2
the_cultie

as well as the new members who joined in and have been thanked previously. It sounds all too simple, but without the volunteers, a distributed computing project, can achieve nothing.


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[Cvsi3]

I think later on tonight im gonna throw on my Q9650 as well. The i7 does 8 WU's every 3 hours, so i dont know how good the Q9650 would be in comparison to that, but every little bit helps i guess.

[bmwbaxter]

I think later on tonight im gonna throw on my Q9650 as well. The i7 does 8 WU's every 3 hours, so i dont know how good the Q9650 would be in comparison to that, but every little bit helps i guess.

Every little bit does help. But eventually you have to look at RAC/watt. If you hada fleet of p4's it would be better to save the power costs and buy newer better rigs. But a c2q is still worth it.

[Cvsi3]

Im already being raped on electrical costs, why not an extra rig lol. My electric bill to run 3 computers (2600k, Q9650, Q9550) the Refrigerator and AC is just shy of $400 a month.

[dfonda]

My GPU lifecycle: 1) put it in computer 2) fold till it dies 3) bake in oven 4) repeat


LOL :beer:

My ritual is similar...1) put it in computer 2) fold till it dies(It never dies) 3) bake in oven(PC case) 4) Shut it off and run bigadv instead....:p

If my fellow Rosie members don't mind, I think I'll hang around for a while and see how many members I can bump out of their cozy spots...hehehe:sn:

[bmwbaxter]

Bring it :p

[HankB]

If my fellow Rosie members don't mind, I think I'll hang around for a while and see how many members I can bump out of their cozy spots...hehehe:sn:By all means! With a couple of i7s you should have no difficulty passing me. :popcorn:

And in fact, I just looked at the stats. We're 3490 RAC ahead of the Czech team. They're not giving up. I wondered how that difference compared to my RAC and it turns out that I have the smallest RAC such that if it was removed from Overclockers, we would lose the lead. So in this case my vote very much counts!

[baditude_df]

My ritual is similar...1) put it in computer 2) fold till it dies(It never dies) 3) bake in oven(PC case) 4) Shut it off and run bigadv instead....:p

If my fellow Rosie members don't mind, I think I'll hang around for a while and see how many members I can bump out of their cozy spots...hehehe:sn:

I like your attitude. :)

[the_cultie]

My Opty hasn't been folding in ages so I think I'll leave it crunching for another while and see how things work out. Might as well put it to use and I like how the client pauses when the cpu is needed for other stuff.

[baditude_df]

My Opty hasn't been folding in ages so I think I'll leave it crunching for another while and see how things work out. Might as well put it to use and I like how the client pauses when the cpu is needed for other stuff.

Thx Cultie!