For those interested in BD stats for Rosetta

[Psykoikonov]

Below are some quick stats for Bulldozer (8120@4.0Ghz) running Rosetta, for curiosities sake. Any questions feel free to ask.

[HankB]

Below are some quick stats for Bulldozer (8120@4.0Ghz) running Rosetta, for curiosities sake. Any questions feel free to ask.What's your take away from this? Are you happy with the results? Any comparisons to other processors?

[Psykoikonov]

I know little about Rosetta unfortunately, I mainly crunch for our FAH team. Someone had asked how an X8 Bulldozer was for Rosetta compared to an X6 Thuban. My rough estimate suggests ~4500 RAC for an X8 Bulldozer @ 4.0Ghz (8units/day/core X 8 cores X ~70 credits/unit), without running it for a ~month I can't be sure though.

The 4.0Ghz was achieved at stock voltage, it could be pushed further, however this way my system stays ~225W with processor at full load.

[Bobnova]

That's fairly decent, really.
Thanks!

[Yomama]

Psykoikonov - thank you again - great info

[HankB]

I'll thank the OP for posting this as well.

I've taken a second look at it and will make the following observations.

The claimed vs. granted credit seems to be closer than claimed vs. granted for my Phenom II x4 820 (running at 2.8 GHz.) This contrasts markedly with the results I get on an Atom which is granted nearly double the claimed credit (pushing it from single digits/task well into double digits. :D )

More interesting yet is that I'm getting about 80 points of credit granted for each WU. This is probably helped by the fact that I'm only running 3 of 4 cores on Rosetta, leaving the 4th core free for all of the other stuff going on on this PC. The other factor may be that throughput for the shared cores in BD are not as effective for this stuff as the more independent cores in the Phenom.

Overall I'm a bit over 1800 RAC on three cores which puts the per core RAC in about the same neighborhood as BD. I would have thought it would do better.

[Psykoikonov]

This is probably helped by the fact that I'm only running 3 of 4 cores on Rosetta, leaving the 4th core free for all of the other stuff going on on this PC.

I will note the screenshots were taken with no usage of the computer whatsoever, 100% Rosetta for the duration it ran (or a close to as Windows allows).

[PenguinsPal]

Good to know. I am building a gaming rid next week that will be BD ready. Probably get a 8150 around tax time.

[xrror]

sorry if this necropost, but just wanted to throw in that Rosetta has been on a bit of a "credit slump" for the past month or so. Many of my machines that haven't been changed configuration wise have seen RAC fall gradually the past few months.

However it's been picking up recently, I guess it's just a result of the usual Rosetta "New Year's workunit shortage" and odd mix of Rosetta Work (there have been quite a few "bad units" as they shake out new work batches).

sorry :blah: The takeaway is that your RAC might be understated =)

I'm impressed at the numbers you're getting, looks like BullDozer is good with Rosetta. (Still hoping AMD can pull off another "Thoroughbred B moment" with PileDriver though).

Psykoikonov, could you post a link to the machine hostid on rosetta? I'd love to see how it evens out over the next few months. i.e: http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/results.php?hostid=1260152

HankB was asking for a comparison, here's a nasty dump of a i7-930 at 4Ghz (sorry about the nasty lack of formatting)

479894960 435643948 28 Jan 2012 12:02:48 UTC 29 Jan 2012 1:23:01 UTC Over Success Done 10,223.00 91.13 71.57
479894936 437749294 28 Jan 2012 12:02:48 UTC 28 Jan 2012 20:49:30 UTC Over Success Done 10,172.92 90.68 84.47
479894930 437749288 28 Jan 2012 12:02:48 UTC 29 Jan 2012 2:26:18 UTC Over Success Done 9,651.30 86.03 66.55
479894929 437749287 28 Jan 2012 12:02:48 UTC 29 Jan 2012 2:17:57 UTC Over Success Done 9,923.18 88.46 69.44
479894927 437749285 28 Jan 2012 12:02:48 UTC 28 Jan 2012 18:32:25 UTC Over Success Done 10,764.93 95.96 81.21
479894925 437749283 28 Jan 2012 12:02:48 UTC 28 Jan 2012 20:49:30 UTC Over Success Done 9,921.74 88.44 79.86
479894924 437749282 28 Jan 2012 12:02:48 UTC 28 Jan 2012 18:32:25 UTC Over Success Done 10,743.94 95.77 81.60
479894921 437749279 28 Jan 2012 12:02:48 UTC 29 Jan 2012 6:15:32 UTC Over Success Done 10,675.10 95.16 74.57
479894920 437749278 28 Jan 2012 12:02:48 UTC 29 Jan 2012 3:33:04 UTC Over Success Done 10,553.70 94.08 72.31
479894919 437749277 28 Jan 2012 12:02:48 UTC 28 Jan 2012 20:49:30 UTC Over Success Done 10,672.86 95.14 77.98
479894918 437749276 28 Jan 2012 12:02:48 UTC 28 Jan 2012 20:57:50 UTC Over Success Done 10,329.54 92.08 84.90
479894917 437749275 28 Jan 2012 12:02:48 UTC 28 Jan 2012 18:32:25 UTC Over Success Done 10,730.59 95.65 80.22
479894913 437749271 28 Jan 2012 12:02:48 UTC 29 Jan 2012 6:15:32 UTC Over Success Done 10,112.42 90.14 74.82
479894912 437749270 28 Jan 2012 12:02:48 UTC 28 Jan 2012 16:13:47 UTC Over Success Done 5,439.80 48.49 41.73
479894911 437749269 28 Jan 2012 12:02:48 UTC 29 Jan 2012 3:45:50 UTC Over Success Done 9,738.27 86.81 68.70
479894910 437749268 28 Jan 2012 12:02:48 UTC 28 Jan 2012 20:53:39 UTC Over Success Done 10,182.36 90.77 83.60
479894908 437749266 28 Jan 2012 12:02:48 UTC 28 Jan 2012 18:32:25 UTC Over Success Done 10,772.73 96.03 80.23
479894907 437749265 28 Jan 2012 12:02:48 UTC 28 Jan 2012 15:02:41 UTC Over Success Done 10,475.92 93.38 88.25
479894903 437749261 28 Jan 2012 12:02:48 UTC 28 Jan 2012 23:41:06 UTC Over Success Done 10,148.60 90.46 71.49
479894901 437749259 28 Jan 2012 12:02:48 UTC 28 Jan 2012 18:32:25 UTC Over Success Done 10,622.56 94.69 77.48

so BD is looking good looking at granted credit :thup:

[Psykoikonov]

Psykoikonov, could you post a link to the machine hostid on rosetta? I'd love to see how it evens out over the next few months.

The machine is not crunching Rosetta, I did some work units because someone asked in another thread how BD is on the project. I'm interested to know how what wattage your i7 pulls from the wall when crunching at 4Ghz.

[xrror]

Unfortunately I don't have a Kill-A-Watt handy. I suspect maybe 200w and some change at the wall for the entire system, but that's purely a guess. Efficiency wise it's probably pretty horrible, but since this is also my main gaming rig I'm not that focused on that for this computer.

I just switch a few more incandescent lights in my home to compact fluorescent to "justify" my computer heater :sn::chair:

I've been thinking of getting another meter anyway, if I can swing it this paycheck I'll post the numbers here.

Added: wow, my tax refund came in earlier than expected, time to start looking at "electricity usage monitors" =D

[xrror]

Finally got some other financial obligations out of the way. Time for me to get a meter :D

Anyone have recommendations one to get? The Kill A Watt P4400 seems pretty common (and cheap), but I figured I'd get some input in case there is one for a little more that "is awesome, get it."

I guess I'm wondering if it's worth it to get a P4460 or a different brand I haven't found yet.

Otherwise I'll pick one up and get some results back here.

[HankB]

I have a P4400. The only thing I don't like about it is that it is in line. It would be cool to have something that clamps on the line cord so you don't have to shut down and unplug equipment to use, but I don't see anything like that on Amazon. (IOW not available at consumer prices.) Looks like the P4600 includes forecasts as well as measurement. I was only interested in instantaneous readings.

[xrror]

:p

Delivery estimate: Mar. 9, 2012 - Mar. 14, 2012
1 "P3 International P4400 Kill A Watt Electricity Usage Monitor"

Also, so I feel like I've hi-jacked this thread :( Anyone else with BullDozers on Rosetta willing to post here??? BD seriously looks pretty good at crunching Rosetta - I'm really wanting to build some BD boxes for friends since "gaming" and "web surfing performance" is covered, with the bonus that Rosetta crunching is good.

I want to throw AMD some bones. I mean, my avatar - the heatspreader looks like crap because it was a retail box K6-III and they epoxyed (!!!) the damn heatsink on. I bought it new, Runs 504Mhz good too... replaced by K6-III+ :D :blah:

ANYHOW, yes I can find BullDozer chips in the stats of course, but there's no direct way to determine at what clock speed they are running. You can guess by how they score on the "Measured floating point speed" and "Measured integer speed" but you still need some known machines to scale the reference.

So yea, if you have one, post some numbers please!

EDIT: ARRRGHH

Estimate Delivery Date: 03/13/2012 ~ 03/18/2012
Shipping method: USPS 1ST Class

It wouldn't be so bad, but I happened to get an i7-970 for a good price in the last few days, and I'm dying to put it in.

[dfonda]

:p

Delivery estimate: Mar. 9, 2012 - Mar. 14, 2012
1 "P3 International P4400 Kill A Watt Electricity Usage Monitor"

Also, so I feel like I've hi-jacked this thread :( Anyone else with BullDozers on Rosetta willing to post here??? BD seriously looks pretty good at crunching Rosetta - I'm really wanting to build some BD boxes for friends since "gaming" and "web surfing performance" is covered, with the bonus that Rosetta crunching is good.

I want to throw AMD some bones. I mean, my avatar - the heatspreader looks like crap because it was a retail box K6-III and they epoxyed (!!!) the damn heatsink on. I bought it new, Runs 504Mhz good too... replaced by K6-III+ :D :blah:

ANYHOW, yes I can find BullDozer chips in the stats of course, but there's no direct way to determine at what clock speed they are running. You can guess by how they score on the "Measured floating point speed" and "Measured integer speed" but you still need some known machines to scale the reference.

So yea, if you have one, post some numbers please!

EDIT: ARRRGHH

Estimate Delivery Date: 03/13/2012 ~ 03/18/2012
Shipping method: USPS 1ST Class

It wouldn't be so bad, but I happened to get an i7-970 for a good price in the last few days, and I'm dying to put it in. I was running Rosetta on my MC 6128's@2.0GHZ for burn in. I didn't really keep track. It only ever ran 11 instances on the 32 cores. I was wondering if there was a limit to how many cores or instances BOINC can run. I expected it to run 31 or 32.

EDIT: A search tells me it should have used all the cores in Linux..maybe I had something set wrong? I did check.

any way its on fah now...Though that has freed an I7 950 for our Rosetta Team.:thup:

[xrror]

So apparently the seller email was a bit pessimistic on delivery time, as the meter showed up yesterday :rolleyes:

And... lawlz. My "guesstimate" of 200w?... not even close :facepalm:

Boot ~230w
Idle at desktop ~ 220w
Load ~ 390w
Load while sitting in Markarth in Skyrim ~ 495w
video card is a Radeon 6950 2Gb...

needless to say, bulldozer is probably gonna be more power efficient than that :popcorn:

[Bobnova]

220w idle seems like a lot.

[Psykoikonov]

Boot ~230w
Idle at desktop ~ 220w
Load ~ 390w
Load while sitting in Markarth in Skyrim ~ 495w
video card is a Radeon 6950 2Gb...

I'm really surprised the power usage is that high, currently SMP folding (GPU idle) at 4.1Ghz is <250W with everything in sig (tower and router, monitor off).

[xrror]

Well, this machine might also be a pretty pathological case too. Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R (rev. 1.0)... which with me being lazy and leaving many things on Auto gets pretty volt happy.

Also the Radeon 6950... is shader unlocked and set to 935/1275. Might also not be so idle friendly.

Plus the i7-930 isn't the best overclocker and/or I suck at overclocking it (which very well could be, note Auto settings above) so it's not exactly a cool runner.

My Vcore (1.46v) and VTT (1.56v) voltages are basically set to "euthanize" after trying for about a month to lower them. I gave up, but the chip saunters on :thup:

Running 24Gb @ 1600 probably doesn't help with VTT either (it was on sale, honest!)

[mjw21a]

mbers you're getting, looks like BullDozer is good with Rosetta. (Still hoping AMD can pull off another "Thoroughbred B moment" with PileDriver though).

I suspect better than Thoroughbred B. Claimed 10-15% IPC improvement, + 10% drop in power due to use of a resonant clock mesh, expecting to clock at 4+ GHz.

[Psykoikonov]

I decided to switch projects for the time being to see what a modest overclock on BD can really do in R@H. Currently producing ~5000 credits/day (RAC still climbing) @ ~240Watts with all parts in sig + router (monitor off). Link to stats. (http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/hosts_user.php?userid=439557)

New link to 8120 (VMWare Ubuntu) (http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=1530097).

[baditude_df]

Sweet! More Canadians on the front page, and a nice boost to our team RAC. Thx Obi!

[Tbrooks]

I've been watching Obiwan climbing up the Rac ladder. Nice job

[Tbrooks]

Speaking of Rac Baditude, that bulldozer is kinda kicking you rigs mosfets right now. Time for an upgrade?

[Psykoikonov]

Thanks baditude_df and Tbrooks, I'm gunnin for Wayward_Son's 1090T (http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/hosts_user.php?userid=406389). :attn:

[baditude_df]

Speaking of Rac Baditude, that bulldozer is kinda kicking you rigs mosfets right now. Time for an upgrade?

Hehe, this rig is just sporting a lowly i5-760, which is more than good enough for everything I've thrown at it, except topping 3K in RAC for Rosie. :(
One day I might either OC the hell out of this thing, or grab a mITX mobo that can handle a serious Hex Core. Lord knows this Heatsink could handle it easily.

[xrror]

Nice! BullDozer is looking good in Rosetta. What clock speed is this at?

Getting the itch to put together a BD rig now :D

Also here's a link to Obiwan's machine in BoincStats (gives nice charts)
http://boincstats.com/stats/host_graph.php?pr=rosetta&id=1507057

[Psykoikonov]

Clock speed 4.12Ghz (201x20.5), stock voltage.

edit: Thanks for the stats link xrror.

[Psykoikonov]

Upon seeing the RAC of this 1055T (http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=1316967), I've moved the FX8120 to VMWare->Linux.

edit: The first units granted credit in VMWare->Ubuntu looked promising, however some of the units granted credit were very low comparatively=back to Windows.

[Wayward_Son]

Thanks baditude_df and Tbrooks, I'm gunnin for Wayward_Son's 1090T (http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/hosts_user.php?userid=406389). :attn:

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I just saw this.

My 1090T happens to be the second-highest RAC AMD non-Opteron hex (trailing about 200 points behind a factory freak 1055T) on the entire Rosetta project.

Challenge accepted! :cool:

EDIT: I see that you've moved your Bulldozer to a different project. We sure could use it here on Rosetta. Keep us posted on its performance.

[Psykoikonov]

EDIT: I see that you've moved your Bulldozer to a different project. We sure could use it here on Rosetta. Keep us posted its performance.

It is on Rosetta, had a slight mishap. All good now, game on :p.

Your 1090T (http://boincstats.com/stats/host_graph.php?pr=rosetta&id=1405080)
My FX8120 (http://boincstats.com/stats/host_graph.php?pr=rosetta&id=1507057)

[Wayward_Son]

It is on Rosetta, had a slight mishap. All good now, game on :p.

Your 1090T (http://boincstats.com/stats/host_graph.php?pr=rosetta&id=1405080)
My FX8120 (http://boincstats.com/stats/host_graph.php?pr=rosetta&id=1507057)

Nice!

I just might bump up my overclock a little bit. I've been running @ 3.9 for about a year (my sig clock is a max 12-hour Prime95 setup that Boinc didn't like).

I have a challenge: Highest RAC two months from this post (midnight, 6-3-12) owes the winner a $20 gift card to the winner's choice of online retailers.

To be fair, I know we have all had issues with Rosetta and work units. I certainly had a terror of a time during the last contest. This contest shall be null and void should either entrant (Psykoikonov, Wayward_Son) experience any kind of chronic work unit problems. This contest shall also be null and void (in the spirit of good sportsmanshhip) if either entrant experiences any sort of hardware failure and/or a lifestyle-altering event (IE job less, sickness/death of loved one, zombie apocalypse, etc.) beyond their control which causes either entrant to shut down one or more computers that would hamper their ability in this contest.

What do you say? Challenge issued.

[Psykoikonov]

Nice!

I just might bump up my overclock a little bit. I've been running @ 3.9 for about a year (my sig clock is a max 12-hour Prime95 setup that Boinc didn't like).

I have a challenge: Highest RAC two months from this post (midnight, 6-3-12) owes the winner a $20 gift card to the winner's choice of online retailers.

To be fair, I know we have all had issues with Rosetta and work units. I certainly had a terror of a time during the last contest. This contest shall be null and void should either entrant (Psykoikonov, Wayward_Son) experience any kind of chronic work unit problems. This contest shall also be null and void (in the spirit of good sportsmanshhip) if either entrant experiences any sort of hardware failure and/or a lifestyle-altering event (IE job less, sickness/death of loved one, zombie apocalypse, etc.) beyond their control which causes either entrant to shut down one or more computers that would hamper their ability in this contest.

What do you say? Challenge issued.

Challenge accepted, for the race against the 1090T vs. the FX8120 for RAC in R@H in 2 months time (June 8).

[Wayward_Son]

I hate to quibble over a date. Two months (eight weeks) from now should be 6-3-12, but if you'd like to mark it 6-8-12 then I'm down.

6-8-12 it is. Highest RAC at midnight of 6-8-12 wins.

GAME ON!!

:comp:

EDIT: Just so that we all understand, this is not highest overall entrant RAC, but rather highest RAC of your 8120 and my 1090T. This contest concerns only host ID 1507057 (your 8120) and host ID 1405080 (my 1090T).

[PenguinsPal]

Hmmm. Now this sounds like fun :D

[Tbrooks]

These guys are taking 20 bucks pretty serious. But I do love a good friendly competion.

[Nightman28]

I love to see friendly competetion, but I'm gonna hope for the 1090T as that is what I'm running.

[PenguinsPal]

I have both. Good opportunity for me to see what they are both capable of ;)

[Wayward_Son]

Oh, and an update I thought about at work. I propose we call this contest at 12:00 EST. That way you can be checking at 9:00 your time and I can be checking at 11:00 my time.

[Psykoikonov]

Sounds good.

Quick update currently @ 4.3Ghz using 1.375V (total system power draw ~275W); 4.1Ghz@1.30V (~240W), 4.2Ghz@1.325V (~260W), guessing 4.4@~1.425V (~>300W).

[Wayward_Son]

You're gaining ground quickly. I'm pretty much maxed out @ 4.0 and ~4300 RAC. If you're running 24/7 @ 4.3ghz I think you've got this in the bag.

[Psykoikonov]

Backed down to 4.0Ghz @ 1.30V, with some other voltage drops currently ~240w system draw. Uninstalled M$ Bulldozer patch. Summer approaching and the power bill to keep an I on.

[Wayward_Son]

As of 2:45 CST, 4/22/12, you are 100 points ahead of me in RAC (4620 to 4520).

But I did manage to surpass Dead2's beastly 1055T and I once again have the baddest single-die, non-Opteron hex-core on the entire Rosetta project, and the SECOND-baddest single-die, non-Opteron AMD proc on the entire Rosetta project... behind Psyko's Bulldozer!

I should probably concede right now. You've been in the lead for over a week. It is obvious that your Bulldozer can out-work my Thuban at 4.3 vs. 4.0. I guess the question that I really want answered is this: How do these two chips stack up clock for clock? How does a Bulldozer @ 4.0 do against a Thuban @ 4.0? I think we should leave everything at 4.0 and see how they match up. For science!

You still earned the gift card, however. Where do you want it? Newegg? Amazon? You name it, you earned it.

Of course, this isn't just about raw processor speed; RAM speed, HT speed and NB speed are all a factor. My 4.0 overclock might not be ideal. Your's might be perfect. Who knows? There are too many permutations to test in a casual contest. With all that said, let's see what your Bulldozer can do against my Phenom II when both are clocked to 4.0.

What do you say?

Double or nothing?

:D:attn::cool::beer::comp:

[Psykoikonov]

Actually I've been at 4.1Ghz for several days now, 4.0Ghz for ~1day, was only at 4.3ghz for a couple. I think at 4.0Ghz your Thuban would win. Due to some very serious complications at my end I have to close the contest, with no declared winner as the deadline was not met.

[Wayward_Son]

Aww, bummer. Fair enough, though. Happy crunching!

[Tbrooks]

I do believe Obewan has the highest Rac Non-server AMD PC on Rosettea.

[Wayward_Son]

Indeed, he does. Major kudos to him. He's up in that rarified air of multi-proc AMD Opteron servers and individual monster Intel builds. Quite a feat!