Is this the end of my 120GXP?

[Cooler666]

My 82.3GB IBM 120GXP Hard Disk is making some hard noises when Windows XP boots up as it enters windows as if its having a hard time doing something.

do you think this is soon the end of my 1 month old hard disk? could there be another lawsuit going IBM's way?

[orangezero]

i've read recently that they aren't supposed to be used for more than 8-11 hrs at a time. i would put some cooling on that sucker anyhow.

sorry, i had a stupid 60gxp for a bit too.

[Lou Natic]

Aren't supposed to be used for more than 8-11 hours at a time? What kind of halfassed engineering is that?

[LiGhTBoY]

It's the engineering that says don't run faster than 80M/h cuz you get caught. In this case IBM suggested running these drives 8h/day just to protect you (don't forget that these drives heat up :) ). If you don't know much about computers ( i don't mean you , generally speaking) you would turn it off after 8 hours. If now you are familiar with computers (I suppose you are since you are here :) ) then you know that cooling that drive will alow it to be used for more than 8 hours.

[CompuDrew]

Hey, Cooler, I have the same exact drive and I was just wondering a couple things: Did you have any cooling on it? How many fans are you running? AMD or Intel? You are using as your C drive, I take it?

I've recently put an 80mm fan on mine (used to be an exhaust fan) and added a 42cfm exhaust fan to replace the 80mm. I'm running a P4 1.5 and it seems to stay very cool. I use my IBM drive as a slave drive, so it doesn't get worked as much, but I did notice (before the cooling) that it did run a little warmer than my 20 gig 7200 WD drive (which I've never cooled and have had it for years) <keeping fingers crossed>

[Yodums]

Start backing things up, then download the IBM Diagnostic Tool. Your going to have to check it out this sucker might die any second I'm guessing. You should go out and buy a HDD Cooler.

Those 120GXP only run at a limited 8 hours a day I think as mentioned above, because they overheat, so run and get a HDD cooler.

Yodums

[Cooler666]

I've got a 80mm YS-Tech fan blowing on that sucker, i'm using an Intel Northwood btw, although it has only clicked like that once today..maybe its getting better.

[Yodums]

Originally posted by Cooler666
I've got a 80mm YS-Tech fan blowing on that sucker, i'm using an Intel Northwood btw, although it has only clicked like that once today..maybe its getting better.

Run the diagnostic and see how it is.

[Cowboy X]

Cooler666 and Lou Natic should check this thread http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72668&perpage=30&pagenumber=1 it also has links to the new IBM 'recommendations'.

By the way I agree with Yodums ................. and several people with hd coolers still lost their drives ( CompuDrew , Cooler666 beware ).

[Spec_Ops2087]

sounds maybe like the "click of death" to me :(





Spec


BTW: Backup up EVERYTHING!!

[ThePunkGeek]

1 month old umm don't it have a 3 year (or atleast 1 year warrenty?) am on my 4th maxtor drive and i will send it back every month till i get my full 3 years outta them!

[Dissolved]

well all hdd's do go bad sometime. ive had a 75gxp, 40gxp, and now a 120gxp, all worked fine. i have a 80mm fan blowing on my hdd, and i have a temp program to warm me when it hits 37c. i dont run it over that to help protect its life.

[Cooler666]

i run the Diagnosis which says everything is OK, but its still making that hard noise every time it goes into Windows XP

[nikhsub1]

Originally posted by Cooler666
i run the Diagnosis which says everything is OK, but its still making that hard noise every time it goes into Windows XP

And IBM will NOT allow an RMA unless it fails their DFT, no matter what the drive is doing! Talk about SUCK!

[Mr. $T$]

Originally posted by Lou Natic
Aren't supposed to be used for more than 8-11 hours at a time? What kind of halfassed engineering is that?

Half ASS :beer: you cooked your drive. that is why you should only buy nothing over 60Gb if you need more storage get two hard drives, not one.

[Lou Natic]

I didn't cook my drive, I've got a WD 60gig. Even have a 80mm fan sitting infront of it blowing in it's ear. :D I just think if I'm going to spend the cash, I don't want a time-limit.

As far as big HDs (over 100gb) go, I'm going to wait alittle bit longer. By the end of this year most of the wierd quirks will be ironed out, as the 200gb+ drives start hitting the shelves.

[Cooler666]

Originally posted by Mr. $T$


Half ASS :beer: you cooked your drive. that is why you should only buy nothing over 60Gb if you need more storage get two hard drives, not one.

so how come the 75GXP and 60GXP 60GB hard drives had many failures?

[Cowboy X]

The Deskstar gxp line is now being referred to in some places online as the IBM Deathstar series ........... lol.

[whooping_a_panda]

i have a 60 gxp running nearly 24/7 and its doing great, i dont see why so many people have things against IBM drives

[muddocktor]

As the former owner of 2 - 75GXP Deathstars, I can attest to the fact that IBM has a way to go to get reliability in their newer hard drives. I've had to RMA 3 drives; the 2 that I bought and 1 replacement drive that they sent me back for my first RMA.:mad: Each time that I had to RMA a drive, it has cost me around $10 for shipping. In this last round of replacements, they shipped me 2 - 120GXP drives as replacements. I presently have 1 in operation on my P3 1000E rig but I still don't trust it. I still have the drive I pulled out of that rig sitting in case this 120GXP takes a dump too. In every case of failure, I've had good airflow around the drives, so heat shouldn't have been a factor in the drive failures. Strangely enough, it seems like those 75GXP's started the death rattle after moving my rig while it was shut down so that I could do something inside my case. This was after a normal shutdown, so the drive heads should have been in park position. I didn't jar my case or anything else unusual when I moved it; I just layed it on it's side and worked on my rig, then put it back in it's position and hooked up the cables before powering up.

[Cooler666]

my 120GXP still does that hard noise e.g. when i'm downloading something to it. Its funny because Windows is not even installed on this drive so it's not doing too much effort. In the first three weeks it didn't make these noises.
IBM i've got your number in my hand, it only looks like a matter of time before this hard disk fails.

[Max 86]

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[BadThad]

For the ignorant:

IBM GXP DeathStar (http://www.tech-report.com/onearticle.x/3494)

I would NEVER trust one of these drives. Check out the link to the user comments....OMG!

[orangezero]

just got an rma number for my 60gxp. hopefully they will be out of the 60gigs and just give me an 80 for my trouble. doubt it though. anyone know how long it takes to get them back??

thanks

[Cowboy X]

Thanx BadThad for that link ................ I know at least one person who would sign up for that .

[BigRed]

people... people... people...
the days of fast, cool hard drives are over. you can not have fast and cool with ibm anymore, they ARE the fastest ide hard drives (120gxp) but they do not run cool. you have to think of it as a cpu.
a fan blowing on it does squat. you need a HEATSINK to pull the heat AWAY from the hard drive. I use the Vantec ultimate hard drive cooler on my 75gxp, and i use another vantec hard drive cooler on the underside of the drive to cool the controller chips. i have had zero problems.
Try putting just a fan on your cpu and see how far you get ;)
first cpus needed heatsinks too keep them cool, then they had to add them onto videocards, now its hard drives that are next in line.

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by BigRed
people... people... people...
the days of fast, cool hard drives are over. you can not have fast and cool with ibm anymore, they ARE the fastest ide hard drives (120gxp) but they do not run cool. you have to think of it as a cpu.
a fan blowing on it does squat. you need a HEATSINK to pull the heat AWAY from the hard drive. I use the Vantec ultimate hard drive cooler on my 75gxp, and i use another vantec hard drive cooler on the underside of the drive to cool the controller chips. i have had zero problems.
Try putting just a fan on your cpu and see how far you get ;)
first cpus needed heatsinks too keep them cool, then they had to add them onto videocards, now its hard drives that are next in line.

yea, what he said

[OrigamiMoose]

For all you people sitting out there thinking that your Deskstar is fine cos you've not heard any noises from it yet look out. Mine was fine, no problems at all, then all of a sudden the computer crashes and the drive is dead. :eek:
Now all it does is constantly keep spinning up and I'm frantically looking for a way just to get it working for at least an hour or so because I've lost all my uni work (which I'd very luckily just finished), loads of other personal stuff and 2300 mp3's!

So don't sit there thinking yours isn't clicking or grinding so you won't worry until it does, back up everything now. And I'd reccomend no-one gets a Deskstar from the amount of problems I've heard about them, its just not worth the trouble.

[FTC]

OrigamiMoose,

The first thing I would do is to determine whether you have a hardware or logical error with that drive. Note that if the drive is spinning, it means that at least something is working...

If this happened to you after a crash, then probably what you have had is a 'landing' or overwriting of some critical part of the disk during the crash and unexpected power off. This is not supposed to happen... but happens even with today's technology.
And in this drives, there is a reserved area where really critical data is stored, so that it may avoid correct power up..

So, run to IBM web and download the DFT test diskette, and try to verify if the disk is OK phisically.

There is also the Feature tool, which you can also download from IBM, with which you may be able to restore some characteristics of the drive... just in case the flash memory has been accidentally erased.

Hope this helps a bit
Regards