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just wondering i know for cost is an issue and i dont have the need for one yet, how long you think it be before you upgrade to dvd burner?
I'm going to upgrade when the standard for dvd is clear, and when they are cheaper.
As now there is DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD RAM.
Probably the + will make it.
I heard, that in about 5-6 month they'll have DVD-Burners with Mt. Rainier support. So i'll wait till then, and for now i'll get a good cd-Burner like Plextor 40x !!!
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UnseenMenace
06-02-02, 03:55 AM
as stated in the previous post, I will not upgrade until the standard has been agreed as with DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD RAM. you obviously have a great chance on buying non-mainsteam media and a product that can sit on your shelf along with the betamax vcr, DAT drive, and superfloppy.
If you want to buy one, then take a dvd+r/+rw burner.
The DVD RAM is pretty sure out for beeing the standard.
The DVD+R and DVD+RW is very popular, but the DVD-R and DVD-RW isn't far behind!
But i would wait a bit before bying one.
As UnseenMenace said, wait for the standard!
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josephtischer
06-02-02, 05:22 AM
I am not too positive about DVD drives to begin with. Most common people look at me funny when I run my regular drive. I have yet to find any dvd drive that doesn't sound like a muffled chainsaw.
I like the sheer volume that a dvd can hold but the appeal isn't really there currently. Sure it would be cool to create my own dvds but who still has friends who don't even have a dvd player in their living room. There are currently not enough people like their were for cds who are whole-heartingly embracing DVDs. With this in effect it makes standards iffy and pricing really out of whack.
It might be a two more years before I fully embrace this as a valid format. With companies releasing new standards weekly it makes current formats seem lacking.
doesn't sound like a muffled chainsaw
I still have a normal CD-Rom, but i'm going with a dvd-drive next time. I don't think, that they are too loud. And for watching a dvd, i just slowdown the drive to 2x speed. So it runs slowly, and quiet. 1x would be enough for watching a dvd, but to prevent film stoppings, 2x is ok.
who don't even have a dvd player in their living room
I don't, and all of my freinds don't have a stand alone dvd player.
With companies releasing new standards weekly it makes current formats seem lacking.
There is only the + the - and the RAM standard. So 3 in total, and there won't be any more different in future.
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Hmm. Xbox uses DVDs... DVD burners... *slaps himself*
:D :D
ptwearnhardtfan
06-02-02, 03:09 PM
I think that the burning speed has to be mentioned also. Right now these things burn very slow. How long will it take to burn 4.7 Gigs @ 2x or 2.4x? More time than I would like to spend waiting, I'll tell ya that.
masitti
06-02-02, 06:23 PM
It takes 1 hour to burn 4.7 GB. 2x writing on a DVD is a TON different than a 2x burn on a CD.
ptwearnhardtfan
06-02-02, 08:26 PM
I think thats too long with todays technology. And what about burnproof technology for DVD burners. It could get expensive making coasters.
think that the burning speed has to be mentioned also. Right now these things burn very slow. How long will it take to burn 4.7 Gigs @ 2x or 2.4x? More time than I would like to spend waiting, I'll tell ya that.
DVD-Bruners write with 2x or 2.4x
But you have to know that 1xDVD is about 9X CD speed. So for 4,7GB it takes about 20 min on an 2.4x Burner.
That exactly the time, my old 4x CD Bruner needs to write one CD!!
So a DVD Burner burns faster than any CD-Burner availabel. The only thing why it is so slow, is that you burn 4.7GB!!!
Brun 700MB with the DVD-Burner on a DVD, and it's unbeatebel!!!
burnproof technology
They allready support burnproof technologie, and other things like lossles linking........(but only the + standard!)
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nil_esh
06-02-02, 11:18 PM
Well, my 2X CD writer quit working, so I'm probably going to buy another one before I get around to buying a DVD writer. I kinda feel like DVD's are too small. Its a step up from CD, but not quite as much as I want. I want something like 24 gigs per disk. You can buy a 7200 rpm 80 gig IDE hard drive for $100 right now, I'd rather just add more hard drives. I suppose when DVD media gets down to less than $1, I'll get one. It would be nice.
CD writers are real cheap right now, though. Also, I've been getting all my CD-R's for free (after rebates). I don't even feel bad when I burn a bad disk.
My 4x is going to quit soon ;)
I'll get the new Plexwriter.
You could also take changeable hd's. You just put it in the slot in the front of your rig, when you need it. And if you want to take it with you, you just take it and go ;)!!
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josephtischer
06-03-02, 06:59 AM
Just went through my last issue of Maximum PC and as I thought.....
There is another spec coming out for cd/dvd technology. Has anyone here heard of blue laser. A few companies are already testing some final burners that will burn discs at about 27 gb a side.
*pats self on shoulder*
I may be new here but I am not uninformed.
*I pat on your shoulder*
Good job! I've to admit, that i didn't know that. But for the currently availabel DVD, the + is the best. The Blue-Ray-Disc, is the follower of the current DVD. So of course it's a completely new standard.
For the currently availabel DVD there are only 3. The Blue-Ray-Disc is a new generation.
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josephtischer
06-03-02, 07:30 AM
:eh?:
It uses dvds...but can only play them is you are willing to pop an extra $30 on the system and that doesn't include a remote like the PS2 does.
:(
BUT both have problems with DVD playback for normal movie DVD's. My little bro has a PS2 and a friend's husband has an X-box and they both wouldn't use them for DVD playback....IT SUCKS. It looks grainy and isn't what you think it would be. It is even worse than on windows media player. Have you ever tried to watch your DVDs on that. It makes you want to gouge your eyes out.
:cool:
Anyways...I am not trying to rain on peoples parade. I think it is really cool that we can make dvds on our computers and share them. The price and confusion over standards currently leave most people in the dark about using burners. Until the burners for the PC get to be as easy as they are for the Mac (*smacks self for mentioning mac*), I won't be getting one.
Originally posted by josephtischer
Just went through my last issue of Maximum PC and as I thought.....
There is another spec coming out for cd/dvd technology. Has anyone here heard of blue laser. A few companies are already testing some final burners that will burn discs at about 27 gb a side.
*pats self on shoulder*
I may be new here but I am not uninformed.
Those aren't technically DVDs. They may use the standard media (evne though I am not sure about that) but they do not conform to the DVD specification.
Those aren't technically DVDs. They may use the standard media (evne though I am not sure about that) but they do not conform to the DVD specification.
That's about what i thought. Because standard DVD uses red laser. And this one blue.
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ThePerfectCore
06-04-02, 12:38 AM
That's about what i thought. Because standard DVD uses red laser. And this one blue.
Well poo, let's go cry over the fact that
-The lasers are on two different parts of the spectrum
and
-One's a few hundred microns wider than the other...
And that with the blue one you can store 27gb!
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josephtischer
06-04-02, 08:04 AM
WHAT IS TO PREVENT THE MANUFACTURERS TO DUMPING THIS CURRENT DVD FORMAT AND SWITCHING TO A NEW ONE THAT CAN PROVIDE MORE DETAIL?
This is what scares me about some of these burners.
How many people know someone with a Beta recorder? Bet you it cost them a load of money. From what I remember they were running for $300 ($500 nowadays) fo one of these. Wouldn't it hurt to be stuck with a burner that not everone supported? I feel safe using my VCR because it is tried and true. I never bought a Jazz or Zip drive because I knew that they would change formats whenever possible. I bought a Cd burner because I can count on having CD's fo a while. 10 years of stability in the market does that to a format. How many people own a minidisc recorder? How about DAT tapes.
Well, the manufactures first wnt to get money, until they go on. Cost them a lot of money to get that far...
A firend of mine has a dvd+r dvd+rw burner hp200i. Of course it was expensive. But all new dvd-drives support +r +rw. Just look which companies made the + standard, then you know that their dvd drives will support the + standard.
Of course it hurt's if you get stuck with it...but the + seems to be the best for the moment. VCR is out for me. The quality can't stand nowadays.
I've got a zip drive, and i've got a minidisc recorder. i guess here the drives a more popular that in you region.
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The day lite-on or plextor make a dvd-burner that is in the $80-150 is the day I go and buy one. Till then I'm happy with my CD-burner :)
TechnoFile
06-06-02, 02:07 AM
Originally posted by josephtischer
WHAT IS TO PREVENT THE MANUFACTURERS TO DUMPING THIS CURRENT DVD FORMAT AND SWITCHING TO A NEW ONE THAT CAN PROVIDE MORE DETAIL?
Hollywood and the MPAA. These two basically make up all of the muscle behind the DVD format. As a result, I doubt that they'll get onboard with anything in the next few years. The thing to watch for is whatever new standard is decided for recording High-Def programs. Course, we all need high-def TV first. Years away, that one is.
I understand not being an early adopter, I usally wait a generation or two so everything smooths out, but if you take it too far you'll never upgrade you computer, since a year from now it'll be out of date big time. :)
josephtischer
06-06-02, 06:59 AM
anyways....
<wonders what my current computer has to do with the discussion>
I am not a late adopter of most things. The current DVD thing just isn't my bag yet. If I did have the money to waste right now I could find better things to do with it.
On my Computer....
The current performace difference between my current compter and the latest chips doesn't mean diddley squat yet because the major bottlenecks have yet to be overcome. I plan on building my next system in the nexxt year when time and money permits. It isn't the size of your Mhz but how well you put it to use.
:p
-"Nuff Said" "true believers"
TechnoFile
06-06-02, 08:54 AM
I agree with you on the computer, I'm still using a t-bird (not an XP) and sdram. I have yet to see the next big step forward, or even an application or performance gain that makes me want to upgrade. I'm hoping hammer will be it, but I have to admit I haven't been watching it all that closely, so I really don't know whats going on there.
nil_esh
06-06-02, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by josephtischer
How many people know someone with a Beta recorder? Bet you it cost them a load of money. From what I remember they were running for $300 ($500 nowadays) fo one of these.
Well if Beta cost anywhere near what VHS costed, it must've really hurt some peoples' wallets...
The first VHS VCR my parents bought was $900 (back in the mid 80s if I remember correctly). Panasonic Omnivision. I don't even think it was high-end or anything, VCRs were just expensive then. It was so feature-packed though, I still use it today even though tape recording/playback quit working 3 years ago. I've even used it to mix audio tracks together and to dub audio over a video project of mine (when tapes still worked on it). </nostalgia> sorry
nil_esh
06-06-02, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by TechnoFile
I understand not being an early adopter, I usally wait a generation or two so everything smooths out, but if you take it too far you'll never upgrade you computer, since a year from now it'll be out of date big time. :)
That's my story, I'm still running on a AMD K6-2+ 450 even though I could probably afford an upgrade. Of course I have 137 gigs of HD space on this PC alone, so you can see where I spend my money. And you can see the need for a backup device bigger than DVD. Tape backup devices are kinda expensive still, no? I personally have just about abandoned tape-based devices. Looking in the news, though, a format called D-VHS is about to hit the market. It is a digital format which uses tapes the same dimentions as VHS tapes, but supports full high-definition picture quality. I can't imagine people wanting to go back to tapes. I suppose its the only cheap way to store a massive amount of data, and of course you can easilly record to tapes.
TechnoFile
06-06-02, 05:51 PM
Well, D-VHS isn't exactly new. All the info I just found on it was dated at or around January of '01. Considering that I haven't heard much about it, and I have been watching all home theater developments(I suppose this would qualify as one) since '99 with interest. I'll agree, the technology seems to be rather promising for large-scale backups, but I don't see it leaving the computer room and heading for the family room.
Penguin4x4
06-07-02, 12:54 AM
I'd wait until they have a faster CD-RW speed (12/10/32 is the fastest right now). DVD+RW will be Windows supported in the future, while Mac's use the DVD-R/W Pioneers. DVD+R's have been tested to be more compliant in older DVD players, and are faster than DVD-R/W's
BTW
In CD technology, 1X equals 150 KBps. For DVD, 1X equals 1.38 MBps :p
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