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Here are some of my posts that I just compiled into one post. Hopefully to get any help available.
I'm trying to upgrade my BIOS, and I get some *.bin files to update my motherboard (ABIT BE6 V2) I think there the right ones... but Im not sure. can someone plz tell me which/where I can get the right one.
Intel 440bx
I440BX-W977-6A69KA19C-SH
the other thing is that when I try to update my bios with a certain bin file.
(Beh_xu.bin) as I said, I dont know if its the right file. I'm not really good with this updating stuff, I'm new.
Any help?
ok, I'm getting these erros that I cant seem to understand.. how to fix. or change my first error was abuot EMM386 and QEMM so, I didn laod them in the commad ( i made a disk with format a: /s) and I got rid of that problem, now... my NEW problem.. I try toFLASH the bios, I got the properfiles fromf the ABIT website... BER_XK.bin for my BE6v2 mobo. Now, when I try to flash using awrdflash.exe.
I enter the file to load-->ber_xk.bin
I save the bios -> oldbios
and then.. I get
Checksum D0ABH
"THE programs file's part number does not match with your systm."
Proceed Y/N?
--> Y
--> ERROR unknow file type (and I get booted out of program...)
anyideas?
Here are other problems I have, all related globaly to one. Not being able to update my bios (I presume) and having problems with my games and system freezing:
from someone:
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BX boards lack the extra AGP multiplier, as well as 4x AGP. Alot of people around here seem to like the newer 815 chipsets made by Abit and Asus.
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I'm relatively new to this stuff, I've been absorbing knowledge eversince I've started to have problems with my computer freezing with games, and me getting a system sound like "BEEEEEE"
Now I have an ABIT BE6v2 mobo, and an ATI RADEON 64mb DDR AGP vid card. Now, you just stated above that the BX bpoards dont support agp multipliers... or 4x multiplers.. could that be my problem with freezing games?
No the lack of 4x AGP and the extra 1\2 agp divider is not your problem. Lets start simple.
First check to make sure that the L2 ECC is enabled in your bios. If this is Disabled it can cause your system to lock up during gaming.
Second what are your other system specs? Sound card, cpu, etc...
Is your system overclocked, And if so what do you have for cooling?
ExtremeOC
04-09-01, 04:51 PM
I KILLED MY SAVAGE 4 FOR NO FRIGGIN' REASON!!!!!
jsut mad.
wish i knew that about 4 months ago....also, the problem is you're using the wrong *BIN file....
thats the checksum error....
DAMNIT!!!!
ok, my system is NOT overclocked.. I tried a while ago through the SOFTMENU 3 but I could not, not even with USERDEFINED. It either put me down in mhz, or 650mhz (normal spped)
System specs:
Abit Be6v2 mobo
128mb 100mhz SDRAM
SoundBlaster 128 PCI
RADEON 64MB DDR AGP
Intel 440BX chipset
FSB = 100mhz
2 network cards.
...Don't know what else to put..
ok, I upgraded to my NEWEST version of BIOS, and I looked into that L2ECC, it WAS ENABLED. and still is.
And my game well, it didnt crash for about 10 min. Then it crashed on the next level. The game is GIANTS: Citizen Kabuto
what else might help me fix my crashign problem?
Does it crash in all the games you play or just Giants? Try some other games as well. Also make sure you have the latest patch (if there is one) for that game, as well as the latest drivers for all you hardware. Get Direct X 8.0 as well.
With everything up to date as far as drivers, it will atleast start to narrow it down for ya. Thats where I always start.
Normally from my experience. Games usually only lock up after a certain amount of time if my system is running to warm. With my system running at 1000mhz, any temps warmer then 28c or 29c will cause games to lockup or not even load.
what are you system temps?
ok, well this problem has occured with numerous games. I've not touched those games b/c I didn think that there was a problem with my CPU. those games are: STARTREK: Elite force (the cutscenes, always), SACRIFICE (in game, more often than not) DIABLO 2 (in game but not often), and GIANTS:citizen Kabuto (almost all the time, in game, I'm lucky if I can get 15 min of gameplay)
I had a GeForce MX 2, and those games froze, so I went and got the ATI RADEON, and they still freeze. So i guess it is my CPU, well computer as a whole.
My system temp is: (well Im using HARDWARE doctor)
I got an error, right away, it said I wasnt getting enough power.. so I lowered the "low limit" value so the beeping would stop.. here they are:
Vcore: 1.68
Vtt: 1.50
+3.3V: 3.50
+5V: 5.11
+12V:12.41
-12V: -11.78
-5V: -5.19
5Vsb: 5.03
VCC25: 2.53\
CPUFAN speed: 5 114 rpm
SYSTEM TEMP - these are the observed max over about 1 min.
system 1 = 28.5 C
system 2 = 42.00 C
CPU = 31 C
oh, and I have ALL the latest patches and drivers.
(unless after you FLASH yor BIOS you need to re-update your Chipset drivers for some reason, but otherwise its all updated)
.. and it still freezes...
You should check your temps in the bios for a more accurate reading. I see your system temp (well one of them) is at 42c! Thats pretty warm! If thats accurate, you may need to put some extra case fans in your case to run your system a little cooler. I have 3 80mm case fans in mine. One in the drive bays in front of my harddrive, One in the bottom front of the case for intake. And one in the upper back right behind the cpu to exhaust air out of the case.
Also I noticed your -12v voltage is around -11.78.
Did you reformat your harddrive after replacing your Geforce with the Radion?
Oh... I honestly can't remember.. I don't think I did format. I've done it about 5 times alread this year. But right when I changes videocards nah, I don't think so.
I've been reading this on the boards... do I need anything related to a VIA chipset update??? I thought not, but.. when I checked on a web site my model number corresponded to the right MOBO 6A69KA19C = abit be6v2 but the 6A69 part indicated that I haev a VIA something.
6A6LK = VIA VT8371 (KX-133) chipset with Award BIOS v6.00
do I need a VIA update, like so many ppl are getting?
And as another note, what fan should I buy? I have a medium mini tower, and I know there's one slot at the front base ( a big plactic aquare holder) which I figured was to hold a fan. But which fan for a good price should I get?
anothing thing, quickly. HARDWAREDOCTOR the program I used to check the temperatures, says that by default a HIGH TEMP for Vcore is 2.26 and a LOW one is 1.86, mine is currently at 1.68. and I must manualy force the "ow" limit to 1.60 if I don't want to hear any beeping alarms... is my Vcore a problem at 1.68V?
Well first off. I always reformat my drive when I switch different brand video cards, actually I do it even when i switch the same brands. I am a strong believer in fresh installs of windows. And I do it every few months to keep it running really good.
Your board is a BX chipset not a VIA so you do not need any VIA updates of any kind.
Also the default voltage is either 1.65 if it is a cbo chip and 1.7 if it is a cco. But it shoud say default next to which ever one it is.
Why do you use Motherboard monitor. Your better off using the Hardware doctor program that came with the motherboard. It is more accurate in my opinion.
You should back everythng up and reformat and reinstall to get a fresh install of your video card. Then we will know there is no conflict between the ATI drivers and your old Invidia drivers.
I have a PIII Alpha for cooling my chip. I bought it from
http://www.3dfxcool.com
It will run you around $55.00 or so. But it is an awesome cooler.
first of all, I'd REALLY rather not format.. AGAIN... I had this problem before I formated, and after. I had the GeForce at that time. before and after. Now plz tell me if there is ANY way around this...
About teh cooling fan.. That's a bit expensive for a fan... are there any other ones that run below 45$ that are really performant?
I'm sorry it took so long to get back to you. I checked out some pricing on Alhpa's. I found a website that sells them for $40.00 or $45.00 depending on which fans you want.
http://www.kdcomputers.com/Cooling/SlotCool.htm
Go to the link above and scroll to the bottom of the page. The cpu cooler you want is called ALPHA 3125S with the dual sunon fans for $40.75 plus shipping and handling. Or you could get the one below the 3215s with the dual YS tech. fans for another $5.00. Its up to you. The YS tech. fans will give you more cfm. But if you just want the $40.75 one it will still work very good. This is the best Heatsink for a computer in my opinion.
Well, I just want to say thanks alot for your supportive help. I'll try to get another fan. I'll probably go to my computer vendor to see what they can offer me, since I dont have a credit card, and my parents hate the idea of buying things online. Well, thanks agian, and I sincerely hope that it is the temperature that is causing my freeze problems.
No problem, I hope that heat is all it is too. I really think it is. You should go to Radio Shack and buy a couple 3" 12v case fans. Put one down in the front in that black holder. And if you have a spot in the upper back of the case put one there to help exhaust air from the case. You should have a bunch of little circles that create a round patern in the back of the case and there should be four other holes in each corner for bolts. That is if your case has a spot for a fan in the back. If not I suppose you could rig something up, Depending on how creative you are. Well good luck and get back to me on how things turn out. I'll give you my email address if you want to get a hold of me.
fraley@netwurx.net
outhouse
04-11-01, 08:05 PM
I have a few frequent system locks while playing games or running seti, I am overclocked and I can reduce speed and this solves the problem, now as far as your problem which is different but I have had some luck by increasing Core voltage,[to proccesor] It sounds like you have a little more cooling mod,s to do that are relatively cheap I took a old HSF cut it down to fit my Northbridge also the same on my Video card gf 2 mx, case fans are a must as bdf24 has recommended, any computer store has these for around 10 dollars , I cut a hole in the side of my case and put a duct to my heatsinkfan for my proccesor and this reduced temps more then any mod I have done, keeping your chip cooler does help with stability. This may or may not be part of your problem but extra cooling never hurts overclocked or not, good luck
Well, thanks all of you so very much.. I just went and got a 5.25" HARDDRIVE cooling fan from STARTECH for 30 bucks. Its the type of fan that takes up a slot for a CD drive in your caseing. I added that. And well, games still freeze. I think I'll have to add more and more fans. hehe, I'll add at least one more. I have room for one more fan on the base of my tower. so I'll go get one and put it there... Ihope that works. but up to now, my games still freeze... I think it has to do with my mobo. I think its screwed up. Perhaps tehre are IRQ conflicts.. but none apparent. (is no prgram says there are conflicts) so maybe there is a defect in the mobo. I'd greatly appreciate any other sugesstions. Also, anyone know how to make sure that there are no IRQ conflicts?
I dont believe it is an IRQ conflict, But you could go into your device manager and go thru all your devices and check your IRQ's to see if you have three or more running on the same one.
What size powersupply are you running? I know when you first posted your Hardware monitor results I noticed your -12v was running around the high -11v's. That could be part of your problem. My system has always ran a bit over spec. But never under. I know with the V5's any +12v running under 12v's at all can cause games to lockup or kick back out to the desktop.
One more thing, you could try. what is your SDRams cas set to. if you only have cas 3 ram and have it set to 2 sometimes it can cause weird problems. I actually had some generic PC 100 ram once. If I set it to 3 the system would keep reebooting, but if I set it to cas 2 it ran perfect.
Another thing to try is try raising your core voltage a notch up or try raising you I\O voltage from 3.5 to 3.6. It could help.
[quote][What size powersupply are you running? quote]
How do I tell what Power supply I am running? I mean I think its a standard power box.
ok, well I lowered the SDRAM CAS from 3 --> 2 and I upped the I/O and CORE voltage by one increment.. still mygames freeze.
Well, I foudn out something new today. Giants KABUTO, along with probably other games, but GIANTS, works perfectly..in SAFE MODE which means ugly graphics, and NO sounds at all. I figure my problem is related to a certain render type at a certain time.. well any more idea\?
Date: Apr 13, 2001 on 11:53 a.m.
I tried the Benchmark 3Dmark2001.
http://gamershq.madonion.com/products/orb/?3d2k1_details.shtml
here are the results. I was wondering why does it say that I have an unrecongnizable video chipset??
Well I'm starting to wonder if its your video card giving you problems now.
You can tell what size PSU you have by opening up your case and looking inside at your psu. It should have some sort of sticker on it telling you all the specs.
well, my power supply is 250watt
well I got a fan for my 5 1/4 bay drives, and I also have a fan staring directly onto the internal components. It a small fan used for when the tempo is too hot outside.. you know, the standard fan. Anyway, the system temps are down to
SYSTEM 1: 20.5C
SYSTEm 2: 35C
CPU: 27.5 C
Giants seems to freeze alot less, but still after a little whiel it will freeze on me. Then if I try to start the game RIGHT away, the game freezes almost immediatly. I think my vid card is too hot (based on the assumption that high temps wil make your system crash)
Any more thought on this?
You should take some sort of descent size fan like a house fans or even an 80mm fan. and just somehow rig it up to blow on you video card. Then go in and play Giants and see what happens. If it doesnt freeze it is your video card overheating.
I know on my system any cpu temps over 29c games will not even load or they will lock up. This is only while I'm overcloked of course but it just goes to show how much of a problems heat can be.
Well, yeah it sort of looks like the vid card is overheating. b/c as soon as it's been running for a hwile, then it frrezes. and if I run the game right away, it freezes right away, but If I wait a while for the temperatures to stabilize and go back down, then the game will only freeze after a short while.
The other thing that bothers me is that, when I had my GeForce 2 MX (prophet) that vid card would freeze just as well. and now if the ATI rADEON card does that too, then I started to think my mobo had smoething wrong.. but that's just my opinion.
ANymore ideas?
I'm not familiar with the ATI or Nvidia. Do they have an option in there drivers to enable 4x AGP? If so and thats enabled that could possibly be causing your problem? Being that the BX chipsets only support up to 2x AGP.
Just a thought.
yeah, well I talked to some tech support ppl, and they think it MIGHT be that I need anotehr power supply. They think that maybe 250watts isnt enough.
I thought about that but I have a hard time really believing it! I guess if you dont mind spending the money, you could try another PSU. I bought an Enermax 431w PSU a while back. I like it a lot. So far It has taken everything I can throw at it. I think I paid around $90.00 for it.
might sound crazy but did u try removing sound card? or meybe changing slots for sound card.the software that accompanies the sc has caused problems on my system even though its completely different.had to disable a ms dos system to get past it.its a thought anyway that wont cost anything.
well, I have a few days off now, and I'm going to gut the CPU, and put pieces back on one by one seeing if it ever freezes at all, or not. If it does with just the vid card in, then I'm going to scream. Hopefully, there is only some sort of conflict.. and I will solve it this way.
I'll post what I found in a couple of days.
Thanks all of you for your help.
Believe it or not, Almost everytime I put in a new PCI card I have to move it around to different slots a few times to find one that's not conflicting with something.
Only thing is I usually have problems right when windows boots. The hardware either doesnt work right or windows wont boot in all the way.
yeah well, I think there are big conflicts,. I changed the cards around to different slots and there is only about one configuration that everything works (excpet the game freezing)_ and its the one I currently have.
I tried moving the PCI slot that was next to my AGP controller away one slot down, so that if they were sharing IRQ's they no longer were. But then as a result I could not get my LAN working. It would'nt accept the changes. It would but it just wasnt working. Totally weird. The OS registered everything properly (i think) but when I went to use my LAN (NAT software = SYGATE) it wouldnt work.
It seems that with 2 NIC's, 1 sound card, 1 56k modem, and 1 AGP device, the specific slot postiionning that I have them in works, but games freeze. Not I didnt totally gut the whole thing and only put the sound card and vid card yet, I'll get to that in time. But up to now I REALLY think that there is a big IRQ conflict.. even if the device manmager says everything's ok.
Any insight?
Here is what I would do.
1. search for the file msinfo32.exe and run it.
Go into the hardware resources part and then irqs.
Check to see what irqs are used and by what look for 2 things useing the same irq. Irq holder for pci steering does not count.
2.If you have 2 items sharing the same irq then go start-settings-control panel.Click on the system icon.
Click on the device manager tab.At the top the circle for view devices by type should be filled in.
Then go to 1 of the 2 things that are sharing a irq highlight it and choose properties.Under the general tab at the bottom check the disable in this hardware profile box. Reboot and see if your lockup problem goes away. Uncheck the disable box and reboot to enable the device again when finished.
3.Make sure your agp bus is set to run at 1/3 or x1.5 in the bios.
Test for lockup.
4.Do the same as in step 2 to get to the system device manager and go to creative misc.devices.
Disable SB16 emulation.
Test for lockup
5.Go start-settings-control panel.Click on the sounds and multimedia icon. Click the audio tab and choose playback advanced. Choose the performance tab and set the hardware acceleration to basic and apply.
Test for lockup.
6.Get prime 95 and run it in torture test for 1/2 hour if you get no errors then its not cooling or the cpu.
7.Get 3d mark 2000 or 2001 and run the benchmark.
If you get no lockup its not your video or agp bus.
8.Start the game you get lockups with and set it to not use sound. Verify its not by having the speakers on.
If it does not lock its sound card related.
If you still have not solved or found the problem ny this point post back.
wowo thanks alot. I'l be trying all those things asap.
I did the msinfo32.exe and I was wondering do I have to check all of these?
IRQ
9
AOpen PCI Modem Enumerator
Intel(r) 82371AB/EB/MB PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
SCI IRQ used by ACPI bus
10
RADEON
D-ink DFE-538TX 10/100 Adapter
11
Highpoitn Technology Inc. HTP366 Ultra DMA 66 Controller
Highpoitn Technology Inc. HTP366 Ultra DMA 66 Controller
(yes 2x, but there supposed to be twice)
Creative Sound Blaster PCI 128
14
Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
Intel 8237AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller
15
Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)
Intel 8237AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller
as you can see those are the corresponding things that the irq's are responsible for. Now I think I only have to worry about the 10th 11th and possibly the 9th. What do you think?
10 & 11 for sure maybe 9 but I think that may be fine.
As a computer only has 15 irq's to use one way of freeing up irq's is to disable unused com ports and printer(ltp) ports in the bios if not used.
Also acpi if you can and dont care about the power saving thing.
I seem to run into problems everytime I have Advanced Power Managment Enabled. So I always make sure it is disabled.
Normally IRQ's are fine sharing with one other device. Except the video card in most cases. The ATA controllers can be a pain in the butt to if they share IRQ's as well.
But like I mentioned above. Anytime I have ever had an irq conflict. the hardware doesnt work right from the begining, Or windows wont boot in. Or I have had it where it wont allow me to even install drivers for the hardware.
I have never had it work for a while and then not work. But I guess anything is possible.
asmodean
04-24-01, 06:36 AM
This is VERY interesting...
I don't think it's an IRQ problem, as I've never seen a busmastering video card that doesn't use irq10. Irqs 14 & 15 are always used by the IDE-controllers. Just install linux and learn the hard way.
Have you updated everything to the newest drivers/game patches?
That could fix things, but seeing as you get freezes always, it might not.
Trying with a different mobo, different CPU & different RAMs could give you a pointer as to where the problem lies.
yeah, no, everythign is updated except for my network cards.. but there relatiely recent so I fugre that I have the newer versions.. btu those are the only preiphials that I have not searched for an updater device driver for.
I really think you should try pulling your network cards and try running without them if you havent already. I noticed above you mentioned you havent gutted the pc and started with just your video card.
If you havent done that yet, I think it's the only way to figure out what is going on now!
asmodean
04-25-01, 06:56 AM
Just a update on that IRQ... Check yesterday, when I got home, my MX uses IRQ11. No biggie, just a little variance.
Roger on that. I WILL gut her !! I think it may take a little more than 2 weeks however, due to the |un-fun" fact that I'm am in EXAM session next week and I MUST study. So you guys will be updated relatively soon on what's going on.
Katabatik
04-26-01, 05:22 AM
if you have a fater processor it may be this thing called split plane voltage. The newer PIII's need it and only i810 chipsets and higher support it. I had the same problem with a PIII 850 and a BE6 II v1.2. I also got a new processor and that one didn't work either. I know it sucks but I had to buy a new mobo. Got a SA6R and it rocks.
Katabatik (Apr 26, 2001 05:22 a.m.):
if you have a fater processor it may be this thing called split plane voltage. The newer PIII's need it and only i810 chipsets and higher support it. I had the same problem with a PIII 850 and a BE6 II v1.2. I also got a new processor and that one didn't work either. I know it sucks but I had to buy a new mobo. Got a SA6R and it rocks.
How come more people arent having problems with this then? And what do you mean newer cpu's? The cCo's?
I have an 800E on a BE6-II with no troubles at all!
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