100%stable 316 MHz overclock on thoroughbred

[Default]

new stepping already! check it out here :

http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=187&PageID=4

[Default]

i just wana say that you all spoke too soon and were influenced by intell supporters. toms was obviously a pre-release version.

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one more thing to point out. this article used a simple air cooler were tom had to use state of the art watercooling for a 80MHz increase!

[Illah]

The guy on that site is the gooder at math.

Going from 1.8-2.16 is a 360 MHz overclock, not 316. I bet you with some burn in, an AX-7 or something like it, and some toying around you could push that to 2.25-2.3 GHz at least. What's that there, XP-2900 to 3000?

And this is just the first release of the T-bred! When they come out 2 G's + stock oh man.

--Illah

[Default]

i know what your sayin' i pity the foo's who believe that crap from tom

[madcow235]

damnit in a day i have went from amd to intel to amd again. AMD VIVE REVOLUTION

[Illah]

Originally posted by Default
i know what your sayin' i pity the foo's who believe that crap from tom

Really.

Man, I've heard so many conflicting stories about tbreds. The chits are either extremely good or extremely bad according to what I've heard, and the article you just posted seems more reasonable. It's not 2.7 GHz and it's not crap, it's just good, and that sounds like the truth to me.

--Illah

[Cowboy X]

This is welcome news but shows that other reviewers had old steppings or that the yeild and quality varies from Fab to Fab or batch to batch .............. hopefully not between batches . If u plan to run it stock or unlock it , fine, but serious FSB o'cing may be a no no depending on the CPU . For now if u want to do high o'cs then u should wait for the next stepping .

[Cowboy X]

Hard OCP also has a review with it at >2000 MHZ .

[futura2001]

At this point, it is way too early to judge whether this chip falls in the suck zone or the kickass zone.
Remember what Palominos did on the day they came out? I didn't think so, because the first stepping sucked
It has been one day and retailers haven't gotten the chips yet.
So wait maybe half a month and then make up your mind.
We have way too much conflicting information right now and nobody has actually gotten a real world T-Bred. Once that happens we can decide if they suck or not...
Futura

[CyboRob]

It has been one day and retailers haven't gotten the chips yet.
We have way too much conflicting information right now and nobody has actually gotten a real world T-Bred.

Nice post futura 2001

[futura2001]

I'm just sick of people saying that the chip sucks when they haven't even seen one yet. That is like saying that Barton is going to suck or that the 3gig P4 is going to suck. Just give it some time before we make any brash assumptions. If somebody goes down to their local computer store, buys one, and can't get any kind of an overclock, then we can say that the chip is a failure, but not now.
Futura

[CyboRob]

Yeah I think everyone is still a bit ticked off at all the delays on this one, I am.
It is nice to see some of the good reviews rise up though, I was really worried this morning seeing the bad ones first.

Rob

[futura2001]

Yeah, I am gone until early august, so hopefully there will be a good agoga class stepping by then. But I might want to wait until Barton at that point. There is always something new and better just around the corner. Well, thats how the market works...
Futura

[DaddyB]

that is not like saying the P4 3.0 will suck as the P4 is well established and unchanged so we know what to expect. the tbreds are AMD's first attempt at the .13u process so nobody could be sure what to expect, when intel went to .13u it allowed their processors to overclock even better. now that AMD has done it we are begining to see that they dont overclock as well due to the small die size (read the article on the www.overclockers.com front page).

the highest I have seen anyone overclock a tbred so far is just over 300mhz (the numbers on amdmb.com are incorrect, the guy that wrote that was on techtv and said he got it to overclock just over 300), everyone was hoping for more. sure you can attribute that to this being the first batch but i wouldnt expect much more from them, it looks to me like the XP is near its limits and i wonder how amd will scale it much higher.

btw you mentioned seeing some good reviews of the tbred... could you post a link cause i sure havent seen anything good yet

[CyboRob]

If you don't think the 300mhz overclock review is good then none of the others will have anything to offer for you either. They are getting a lot less out of their samples.

[Compexpert]

looks pretty good so far but my 2000+ i can get a 310 mhz overclock so the tbred im not impressed yet

[DaddyB]

yeah thats the point, we waited all this time and they dont overclock any better the the palys did. maybe they will overclock more as the steppings mature but i dont think they will overclock as much as most had hoped.

BTW Compexpert your sig is too long, your only allowed 10 lines, or 12 lines if you use the small size like i did (blank lines count as a line too). you might want to change it or the mods may do it for you :D good overclock btw... you must have some rich parents or something (gf4 ti, xp 2000...) ;)

[Compexpert]

Originally posted by DaddyB
yeah thats the point, we waited all this time and they dont overclock any better the the palys did. maybe they will overclock more as the steppings mature but i dont think they will overclock as much as most had hoped.

BTW Compexpert your sig is too long, your only allowed 10 lines, or 12 lines if you use the small size like i did (blank lines count as a line too). you might want to change it or the mods may do it for you :D good overclock btw... you must have some rich parents or something (gf4 ti, xp 2000...) ;)

so thier gann grip cuss im using 2 more lines than im soppose to ook ill just take the space out it then :)


ok i took out one i think that 1 extra in thier wont hurt im 11 is that ok now /?

[Malakai]

whoa guys, so far even the good reviews arent of retail chips yet, still just review samples.

i still think they will o/c just fine, lets wait and see.

and 2.1+ghz is not a bad o/c


also all keep in mind the 2200+ ties the 2.53ghz p4B in A LOT of the benchy's, and beats it in quite a few.

[Default]

you got to remember that that was with air cooling too so he could have easily goten 400MHz overclock with watercooling or chilling

[goodolamd]

Im not all that dissapointed with a brand new cpu not oc,ing that high.AMD has let it be pretty well known their resources are all on Hammer.Think about it AMD had a choice to make T-bred a huge oc,er or making Hammer a huge success.What would have you done,hurt Hammers chances for a T-bred that will die in a few months?

[dpw2atox]

Anyone have any idea what the new core steppings, if there are any, are that got the 300Mhz overclock?

[muddocktor]

One thing that all the reviews have pointed out will be the need to have a premium cooling solution for T-bred though, due to the die shrink. It looks like the die shrink has dropped the slug size down to the size of the Spitfire Duron, but at double the clock speeds and heat dissipation requirements. I wouldn't be surprised if you see some premium hsf manufacturer come out with a copper base hsf with a silver insert over the slug area to help cool this proc.

muddocktor

[Yodums]

He had to unlock it though to get to that FSB.

Yodums

[Default]

unlocking has been made easyer though

[Malakai]

the L1's are no longer laser cut, the pencil trick works again, or a trace pen.
thats cool all in itself. Pally's were a real bitch to unlock

[gordon]

I think the Athlon 2200+ is going to be the last Thoroughbred release. Didnt AMD say that the Clawhammer will be the first AMD cpu to hit or pass 2Ghz? If anything we might see a 2300+ or 2400+ Barton or Thoroughbred, but from my point of view the whole Thoroughbred line was just AMD's attempt to test out the new process. The Barton will be a jump, but I dont think it is going to pass the 2Ghz mark either. I was going to upgrade when the Barton came out but I dont think I will. I am just going to wait for Hammers and upgrade early next year.

[DaddyB]

Originally posted by Malakai

...also all keep in mind the 2200+ ties the 2.53ghz p4B in A LOT of the benchy's, and beats it in quite a few.

once again... the xp2200 does not win a single benchmark on anandtech.com (http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1635&p=6) and on tom's hardware where they did 32 benches the xp2200 only won 2 (view them here (http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q2/020610/thoroughbred-14.html)). again if you are aware of some benchmarks where the xp2200 can beat a 2.53ghz p4 then why dont you post a link for us?

[WyrmMaster]

Originally posted by Compexpert


so thier gann grip cuss im using 2 more lines than im soppose to ook ill just take the space out it then :)


ok i took out one i think that 1 extra in thier wont hurt im 11 is that ok now /?

There probably gona kill it. You better get it to 10 or under. I know its only one line, but rules are rules. IF we allow 11, then 12 is only one more, and so on.

[nohoy]

Originally posted by gordon
but from my point of view the whole Thoroughbred line was just AMD's attempt to test out the new process.


yea that got me thinking and it stuck with me. so when i checked out the link from Default at the top of the page i just wanted to casually read through it. so on the page entitled barton and hammer (http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=187&PageID=3) youll notice this quote here, " The Thoroughbred core was meant to lower the power usage of the Athlon processor and to test out their ability to use the 130 nm technology for the introduction of Hammer. No performance increases were ever planned." so we still get some good things from it but we see that amd just cant put enough resources to do both. (hell i think im still going to get one now, that or a 1600+ to play with till the hammer comes around)

[Ferg]

Originally posted by gordon
I think the Athlon 2200+ is going to be the last Thoroughbred release. Didnt AMD say that the Clawhammer will be the first AMD cpu to hit or pass 2Ghz? If anything we might see a 2300+ or 2400+ Barton or Thoroughbred, but from my point of view the whole Thoroughbred line was just AMD's attempt to test out the new process. The Barton will be a jump, but I dont think it is going to pass the 2Ghz mark either. I was going to upgrade when the Barton came out but I dont think I will. I am just going to wait for Hammers and upgrade early next year.

That is very wrong. The tbred is supposed to go to at least 2500+ which is 2Ghz then the Barton will take over and make it well over 2Ghz. The first clawhammers will be 1.6Ghz, but soon past 2Ghz. While this is AMD's first attempt i dont think you can say it was just to test out .13 technology. The Hammer is 4-6 months away. In the mean time were gonna to be well over 2Ghz.

[Compexpert]

i think i read that the 300 overclock they got was with watercooling not air