Quick Fan question...

[samonapj]

Ok guys I was browsing the net and found these forums (I belong to many other overclocking forums) but this is by far one of my favorite ones. Here is my question.
I have an Amd 2100+ with an Epox 8k3a Mobo, 512 meg of Corsair 2700 Ram, Leadtek Geforce 4 ti 4400 @300/650 and here is a picture of my case. Picture of my case (http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=11-125-121-01.JPG/11-125-121-02.JPG/11-125-121-03.JPG/11-125-121-04.JPG/11-125-121-05.JPG/11-125-121-06.JPG/11-125-121-07.JPG/11-125-121-08.JPG) I currently have a Volcano 7+ on my processor and 4 Panaflo L1A fans (24 cfm, 21 db with the 2 intakes using alluminum mesh filters). My problem is that my temps get pretty high, not high enough to cause any alarm, but high enough to bug me. I get about 32-34 C system temp with Air Condition (I just recently visited the dorm I will stay at in college and it was SCORCHING hot so keep that in mind when you read this). I get anywhere from 42-50C Idle (I just overclocked to FSB 138 on my pc so the temps are even higher with full load temps hitting 55-60 with air condition. I recently ordered an AX-7 with a 50 CFM, 40 dB Sunon fan along with four new 39 cfm, 32 dB Sunon fans for my case. I was wondering if you guys think I made a good choice? (The heat in my case generates the most in respective order: Power Supply (I don't know if my exhausts are doing the best job getting rid of this air), my Videocard, and then my HSF. I also have my wires bundled. If the case gets too loud I will still keep my Panaflo's handy so when fall/winter comes along I can always put the Panaflo's in for quieter options. Do you guys think it was worth it? All together the ax-7 with the 50 cfm sunon and the 4 sunons at 39 cfm cost me about 73 bucks total (including 2 day shipping). I am just hoping for better temps especially when college time comes rolling in, I also will overclock a little more eventually. My final question deals with the actual overclocking. At FSB 138 I can get everything to run stable (had to up the vcore to 1.85-1.9 V *is this too high? The default is 1.75 and my memory clock by .1-.2 V) I Ran Sandra and looped the burn test 30 times without a crash, Prime95 Torture test, and I played a few games without a crash, but in part of the 3dmark 2001 SE benchmark, the part with the merry-go-round it always locks up there but runs fine in everything else, think I should be concerned? When I upped the FSB to 139-140 I noticed some crashes in games where as they worked with 137, maybe they want more voltage but I am afraid of frying anything. Thanks a lot guys!

[packratbob]

yup the ax-7 and the sunons fans are a good choice. Ur case temps are pretty high in respect to have ur room airconditioned. mines at abt 18@ room 20 deg case. which doesnt really matter to me cos i'm on a h2o setup.

Try running ur comp with the side open and see if there is any drastic drop in case temps and cpu.

abt the vcore option higher is not necessarily better. try to go as low as u can without cosing any stability issues. and u will see lower temp. and ur cpu will love u for it.

[packratbob]

Originally posted by samonapj
My final question deals with the actual overclocking. At FSB 138 I can get everything to run stable (had to up the vcore to 1.85-1.9 V *is this too high? The default is 1.75 and my memory clock by .1-.2 V) I Ran Sandra and looped the burn test 30 times without a crash, Prime95 Torture test, and I played a few games without a crash, but in part of the 3dmark 2001 SE benchmark, the part with the merry-go-round it always locks up there but runs fine in everything else, think I should be concerned? When I upped the FSB to 139-140 I noticed some crashes in games where as they worked with 137, maybe they want more voltage but I am afraid of frying anything. Thanks a lot guys!

It's have stabilty issues for too reason one is the temps are getting too high and two not enuf vcore but at 139-140 i think its more a heat issue then nething else. btw is the cpu unlocked?

[h2sammo]

would it matter if the CPU is unlocked?
would he get lower tmeps if he lowered/increased the multiplier but hit similar overall mhz?

:burn:

[stool]

Welcome to the forums.

You really don't want to keep your CPU temps above 50C for any length of time. While it might not be immediately damaging, it will drastically shorten the lifespan of the CPU. If you already have the AX7 installed and are getting those temps, try removing and reseating the HSF. Make sure you have a good thermal interface(AS3) properly applied. Be aware that the higher you try to OC, and the more voltage you crank into it, the hotter your system will be. Also, your case seems a bit hot for an airconditioned room. I would recommend going from 2 80mm fans each for intake and exhaust to 2 92mm or 1 or 2 120mm fan for each. It will be quieter and give you better airflow.

[samonapj]

Thanks for the replies guys! No it isn't unlocked. I will recieve my AX-7 w/ 50 cfm sunon on it tomorrow along with the 4 39 cfm sunons. That should be a nice improvement over my current cooling. Also with vcore I managed to get at fsb 138 w/ 1.85 V (1.75= default) along with adding .1 V for ram. I REALLY wanted to break the FSB 140 mountain but it is ok, is there any use in trying to go higher? Hopefully the ax-7 will give me better temps then the volcano 7+. When applying arctic silver on an ax-7 which seems to be prelapped pretty much should I only add enough to the die so that it covers it but all the writing is visible? Thanks folks and go Wings;)

[packratbob]

Originally posted by h2sammo
would it matter if the CPU is unlocked?
would he get lower tmeps if he lowered/increased the multiplier but hit similar overall mhz?

:burn:

Yup it does mater lowering the multis usually gives u the abiltiy to get higher fsb. hence give u better benchmarks due to high bandwidth.
yup if the overall clock speed is lower or increase u should see a change in temps

[samonapj]

hey guys I forgot to add, you guys said I can't overclock higher right now cuz of the temps? Maybe the better cooling I ordered should help.

[Mizzery]

what did you get for cooling? wait, i should learn to read.

[samonapj]

I would be replacing my 4 panaflo L1A case fans (24 cfm., 21 db) with 4 new sunons at 39 cfm with 32 db and my Volcano 7+ with an Ax-7 w/ a 50 cfm sunon. I just hope I didn't waste my money on them. But even if I can't overclock more you think they are worth it? at FSB 138 I am hitting like 50-52 idle and 55-58ish full load and in College the dorm room temps must cause an increase...

[samonapj]

so you guys think I made a wise decision?

[samonapj]

Hey guys I got my new fans and HSF. My system temp dropped about 5-7 C which is nice:), the noise isn't extremely bad, but it aint extremely good either, I use sennheiser hd 590 open hear headphones so I can still hear a little of my fans even on max. I expected the worst though, and I definitely did not get the worst. The only problem is my temps are HOT for my processor, still in low-high 50's, I however attribute this to my Arctic Silver 3 breaking in (only used it for a few hours, most of which was idle). When I applied the arctic silver I spread it evenly across the die with a coffee filter in a VERY thin layer, one inwhich the writing on the die was easily exposed but it was still evident that there was Arctic silver covering it. I also put some on the heatsink and wiped it off. Was wondering if my layer is too thin which may attribute to the heat, or if I should just give it a week to work. I also put the fan blowing TOWARDS the heatsink. Well thanks a lot folks!
Note: The mesh filters I use for case 2 intakes seem to be cutting flow down a bit, if that matters with my processor temp since my sys temp seems good. I took them off the experiment and dropped a few C, maybe if I did that with my panaflo's and rearranged my wires like I did with my sunons I would be getting similar performance with the panaflo's? Think I should send the sunons back or just keep them and switch them with the panaflos in the winter when it gets cooler (my college dorm is going to be an inferno).