AMD Better Hurry Up!

[OC-Master]

There falling behind further and further in terms of being the CPU performance champ. I say this because AMD just came out with the XP2200+ while Intel is already preping its 2.66GHz and 2.80GHz Pentium4s for a July September Launch.

In September, Intel will have its fastest processor 800MHz ahead of AMD's fastest processor (XP2500+). It will be interesting to see what AMD has to offer in the performance category after 2GHz. After 2GHz, the 266MHz Bus becomes a huge bottleneck and basically halts any performance improvements to the CPU.

Clawhammer will be a viable solution but its price wont be on target for most of us and its overclocking potential is yet to be seen.

I guess the only thing we should be hoping for is when AMD launches its Barton core which should give a solid 10% performance boost to the Athlon architecture at the same clock speeds.

Remember, I'm talking about raw stock performance without any overclocking and price isnt the matter. We all know who wins the overclocking championships now days (Intel) while AMD harshly kills Intel for Value (Price).


DS-Master

[Cown]

Your right but as AMD puts it "Discover Performance more than MHz" and i think thats the issue. Intel is to quick on releasing all their 2.xx GHz CPU's. I'll bet we'll se a 3 GHz very soon.
When AMD release CPU's based on the Barton i think they'll beat most of Intel 2.xx GHz CPU's. :cool:
I think AMD are alot smarter then Intel, they wait and strike when the timing is right. Think we're all be surprised...

But still I cant wait til Opteron hits the market :D

[OC-Master]

Want to hear something sickning,

I'm an AMD fan and I have heard tons of rumors on proto Prescotts going around already and the one I seen was one power hungry CPU.

This CPU was a Prescott

4000MHz (24 x 166.66)
667MHz Bus (166FSB) Q-Pumped
1MB L2 Cache with Socket 478 design
64-bit extensions
DDRII 400/533/667 Support

Q2 2003. Oh man, AMD has some issues to deal with here.



DS-Master

[aixelsiD]

Here's what's gonna happen, either AMD will crash and burn or prosper. I'm hoping it's not the former, because Intel will become the next MS.

[Ferg]

Originally posted by aixelsiD
Here's what's gonna happen, either AMD will crash and burn or prosper. I'm hoping it's not the former, because Intel will become the next MS.

Yea if Hammer fails then AMD is done. I figure they will lost market share no matter what, because most people wont buy a lower Mhz cpu, they just wont understand that the Hammer will double the PIV in performance for a given clock speed. Right now Iwouldnt buy an AMD if i were upgrading it would be a PIV 1.6A. Although I am still holding out for hammer in case it is a success. Right now they are talking about initial hammers being only 1.6Ghz, by then Intel will be into 3Ghz which will mean they will be about equal performance. And that prescott core sounds incredible to me. Although you have to expect delays in that core just like AMD is having with all of theirs.

[rlemieux]

I really doubt Intel will delay like AMD. Intel is all about releasing bigger CPU's. Intels first business is processors, unlike AMD. I really believe if Intel says they are going to have something out it will be there. Just like the P4, they released the Willy on time, even though it was a big disapointment, and by the time consumers realized that the Northwood was out. Intel knows what they are doing as far as maketing goes.

I am not biased to either, I just know the companies. Intel has been doing this for a long time. They know exactly what to put out and when. Yes, pound for pound, AMD is superior but who other than AMD fans knows this? The average everyday consumer, which makes up 80% of the consumer base for desktop computers, doest realize performance all they see is Mhz. Thats why more would be apt to buy a 2.53Ghz P4 than a 1.8Ghz XP. AMD knows this that why it is not called a 1.8XP or such. It is names a XP 2200+. I know that is because of AMD's rating, but if it did not help sales they wouldnt do it. Most see that and think 2200Mhz. That was thier intention.

If AMD doent do something spectacular Intel is going to run away with the cup. The Thouroghbred, as of yet, was not it. I hope that thier next try at it is a lot better. The Northwood for Intel was a huge success. AMD need a "Northwood" type jump to stay in the running. I for one hope they do it. They are good for the prices. Even if you stay with Intel they force them to make thier prices lower to compete. Hopefull by the end of the year we see somthing that amazes us from AMD, because I am sure Intel will keep it comming.

[gordon]

Uh since when is the Prescott going to be a 64bit processor? I was under the impression the Yamhil would be the first intel processor to use x86-64 instruction set? Also I am guessing by the end of next year we will have 3Ghz+ Hammers when AMD moves to the 0.09 micron process and couple that with an extra 512kb of L2 cache for a combined 1MB. Also remember people that the Hammer will be running at either a 166Mhz or 200Mhz processor side bus. If the initial hammer isnt released at 200Mhz processor side bus then I am definately sure that the next generation batch will. Also keep in mind that the Hammer bus is scalable, so if they wanted to, some speculate AMD could run the hammers on a 400Mhz processor bus. I really think you will see people running hammers on 200Mhz+ processor side bus's either way :D.

[masitti]

LOL, this is so funny. AMD is way ahead of Intel in the tech game. Intel thinks they are so smart; wow, they can release a 3 GHz processor. :eek:. Most likely an AMD at 2.5 GHz will surpase that Intel 3 GHz. I don't think AMD is going to die.

[rlemieux]

Never said AMD is going to die. But I disagree with your saying that AMD is smarter than Intel. Intel knows exactly what it is doing. Intel is a household name. Ask the common person what AMD is and they will tell you they have no idea. Intel is way ahead of AMD in the marketing game. I also think you will be seeing many improvements in the Intel chips in the following year. I am excited to see what is going to be comming out. Who would have guessed a couple of years ago that we would even be talking about a 3GHz chip. The way technology is going, it is not unlikely that we will be talking about 10Ghz chips in the near future.

[It_The_Cow]

Originally posted by msmasitti
LOL, this is so funny. AMD is way ahead of Intel in the tech game. Intel thinks they are so smart; wow, they can release a 3 GHz processor. :eek:. Most likely an AMD at 2.5 GHz will surpase that Intel 3 GHz. I don't think AMD is going to die. Do you think the average consumer knows that? Hmm. 3000, 2500... Intel, AMD?... I wonder who would win

[rlemieux]

As I mentioned before the average person, your everyday conusmer who makes up 80% of the market base only sees Mhz. Intel knows this.. AMD has seemed not to figure this out. I am in no way dissing AMD, I am going to be building an AMD system soon, I am just pointing out the marketing statigies of both companies. I love my Northwood, and I am very impressed with the XP's even though the initial tests on the Tbred were a little dissapointing. I am pulling for AMD as most are. Even Intel fans are routing for them as they drive down prices as any competition does. I just hope that their next release has a little more impact than the Tbred. I had read all the hype leading up to its release, and was even going to buy one until the initial numbers came out on them, I just hope the other AMD releases measure up to the hype a little better than the Tbred does.

[aixelsiD]

I think that there will be an ironic twist to the GHZ wars. When people finally realize they don't ned the extra GHZ, quess who's chips will be much "slower" than Intel's? Be ironic to be beaten at their own game... (Intel). Hopefully, AMD can stick around long enough to be ready for that day.

[masitti]

You guys are definitely right; most people know who Intel is. However, since AMD came out with the AthlonXP, I am now starting to see OEM computers (HP, Compaq) with XP processors.

[rlemieux]

Yes they offer them, but still alot of poeple are sceptical about going AMD. All they see is Intel all over the TV and thats what they know. Intel is the Maketing king. I have not seen any advertisements for the XP or any other AMD chips. Thats why more people are apt to go for Intel is you give them the choice between them.

[Yodums]

Intel will always be the market king no matter what..

They advertise, their popular, they display big numbers. Customers will think "Hey that thing is up to 3gigs lets get it! It must be fast!!!"

Dell being the #1 OEM Company makes computer for businesses and actual people use Intel chips..

[Cown]

Your right Yodums but i think AMD on the other hand allwayz will be the best CPU when it comes to Performance. :D

[rlemieux]

Originally posted by Cown
Your right Yodums but i think AMD on the other hand allwayz will be the best CPU when it comes to Performance. :D

I dont know about that. Intel showed alot when they came out with the Northwood. And now that they are going away from Rambus(the biggest key to the P4)Intel is going to have to do a little more. And with AMD edging on them everyday they are going to have to do something. I think it will be fun to see what each company comes up with next. I am hoping both do great. Not only for prices, but I am a speed junkey.