regretting this purchase of a radeon 8500...help please

[ucfswimmer]

well i just installed my new 128mb radeon 8500le, reinstalled windows xp and the only mode it detcted was 640x480 2 4bit color....so i did the windows update, rebooted..then installed the drivers off the cd..rebotted..still the same..then i downloaded and loaded the newest catalyst drivers off of ati's site, rebooted and STILL the same...

it says its not detcting the card under the drivers...really weird...

ive got a gigabyte ga-6bx7 mobo with an intel 440bx chipset..
2 10gb samsung hdd in a raid 0 stripe
celeron 800 @ 1064 cpu
sblive sound card

cant think of what else..id really appreciate some help with this problem..im drooling to start playing neverwinter nights...


~jeff~

[Mr. Chambers]

have you triend deleting all traces of your ati drivers, and then powering down, and reseating the card? that usually works for me

[ucfswimmer]

tried that, no good...this is really ****ing me off...if this is a problem with their drivers and my chipset or some issue like that then im going to be really ****ed off at ati, and that will be my end dealing with their products...

[ucfswimmer]

ive done some investigating and it appears there is a memory conflcit???


windows is detetcing the radeon 8500le as a display adapter under device manager...when right click and go into properties, it says there is a CODE 12..

This device cannot find enough free resources that it can use. (Code 12)

If you want to use this device, you will need to disable one of the other devices on this system.

then i view resources by type...and see that my card is using D0000000 to DFFFFFFF

but then my 'Intel 82443BX Pentium(r) II Processor to AGP Controller' is using memory D8000000 to E7FFFFFF which would mean there is a conflict there? correct? well i cant uninstall my agp controller and expect my agp card to work, right? so what the hell do i do? can i change what memory my card uses? or does this just mean that this chipset and this card and incompatible? there has to be a solution...

[kraanul]

Maybe these two BIOS options help:
1) assign IRQ to VGA
2) ACPI on/off. With ACPI "on" enable also Plug and play OS setting in BIOS . With WinXP ACPI works great with 815 chipset. BX is almost the same. But if this doesn't help try with ACPI and "PnP OS" disabled. After changing ACPI status in BIOS, it is recommended to reinstall OS.

ACPI enabled - allows the OS to share resources.
ACPI disabled - BIOS determins how to share resources

[ucfswimmer]

i have assign irq to vga set to enabled..have had this on the whole time...ive also had it in my bios set to PnP bios installed "set to yes i guess".,..i dont have any options in my bios to enable or disable ACPI...if i PNP OS set to NO, then i have to reinstall everything AGAIN? i guess ill try that, but are there any other bios settings i should be aware of or anything else i can try? this is sooo frustrating..

thanks,

~jeff~

[kraanul]

change PnP setting to "no" and don't reinstall OS. Boot to OS and see what happens. Maybe nothing because XP reassigns resources but maybe not.

[ucfswimmer]

done and done..still nada... =(

[kraanul]

Open device manager and look under "computer"
Is there:

Advanced Configuration and Power Inetrface (ACPI) PC or
Standard PC. Try to update the driver to ACPI (driver is on XP disk)

I looked my BIOS and there is also no option how to chandge it. My previous mb had it. Search the manual, maybe it will help.

There is an option in the beginning of the XP installation to press F2 (maybe sth else, don't remember) when "press F6 to install SCSI driver" or sth like that is displayed. It will bring up menu where You can choose ACPI or Standard PC. This way it is more reliable than changing the ACPI driver under OS.

Search www.ocworkbench.com forum especially threads about ECS mb-s. Once I had ECS mb and learnt alot about ACPI and resource assigning but I have forgotten also alot.
I hope You will get Your card to work. Unfortunately I have to leave my computer now for 3 days.

Good luck

[ucfswimmer]

still nothing, and i know now more than ever that this is a resource conflict problem with the memory...ive disabled every type of video and system cache in my bios..ive put my agp aperture size from 4mb to 256mb all with the same result...this radeon keeps wanting to use the same memory that my agp controller is using...i have an intel 440bx chipset so the agp controller drivers are located with windows xp..(agp440.sys)...there is no newer version of this driver out...my motherboard's website has nothing...ati's website has nothing..microsoft's website has nothing...and intel's website has nothing. ive found many other people who have had the same problem with intel boards, an agp card and this file agp440.sys...not many of them have figured out how to fix it...i think i've tried everything, and im really starting to get PO'd now...i knew i shouldn't have bought an ati product when an nvidia card was working fine...grrr...does anybody know anything about resource conflicts or how i can allocate memory manually in windows xp? or anything else to try? thanks for the advice kraanul...and to everyone else whos helping..

~jeff~

[stompah]

have you tried resetting the BIOS?

[krag]

Have you tried shooting it with a 12 guage?

Bro, don't want to make ya mad but ATI is notoriuos for this kinda stuff. Send it back and get a GF4. I have owned 3 Geforce cards and have NEVER had a single problem.

[phantom punisher]

Originally posted by krag
Have you tried shooting it with a 12 guage?

Bro, don't want to make ya mad but ATI is notoriuos for this kinda stuff. Send it back and get a GF4. I have owned 3 Geforce cards and have NEVER had a single problem.

thats a bit much.

[gtsimmo]

I had the same problem but i found a solution! Is it a OEM version? If so you need to download the "Powered by ATI" (reference) drivers and not the "Built by ATI" drivers.

I bought a radeon 7500 w/64 mb ddr from newegg and it was giving me the same thing. Drivers is not comptiable with the hardware or something of the sort. Including the driver from the CD that newegg sent me. But once i tried the "powered by ATI" driver it worked fine

[krag]

thats a bit much.


Ya think?

[grunjee]

Originally posted by krag
Have you tried shooting it with a 12 guage?

Bro, don't want to make ya mad but ATI is notoriuos for this kinda stuff. Send it back and get a GF4. I have owned 3 Geforce cards and have NEVER had a single problem.


You're gonna pay for that remark! Fellow Washingtonian, I can't believe you! :mad:

[krag]

You're gonna pay for that remark! Fellow Washingtonian, I can't believe you!

Don't believe me then. Go ahead and keep getting brainwashed by the ATI driver scientists or are they rockett scientists (I doubt it) HAW,HAW! Radeon...smaedeon!

[phantom punisher]

Originally posted by krag


Don't believe me then. Go ahead and keep getting brainwashed by the ATI driver scientists or are they rockett scientists (I doubt it) HAW,HAW! Radeon...smaedeon!
im under the impression that youve never owned a ati card. correct me if im wrong. i have my reasons for getting a nvidia this time around but it certainly was not a clear cut and easy thing to figure out

[grunjee]

Ok pal believe it or not I have been to Vancouver before so I know the way there...

I will admit that some of the driver revisions have had serious problems. It's been like that for both the original Radeon and the 8500. But eventually they get it right. I'm very happy with the current drivers and I have loved both of my cards.

Any more lip and we're taking this to the parking lot... err, PM box!!! :D

[xanthan]

though this doesnt help you in your current dilema i thought i would speak up in ATI's defense hehe.
I have a radeon 7500 AIW, 8500 AIW and a geforce 4 ti4200. have not had a single problem with any of them as far as installation and setup....
the ATI cards do everything that was promised by ATI plus some i didnt know about until i got to know em a bit.
sure there are better cards for gaming but for the money you cant beat the combination of a good gaming card AND the multimedia functions.

[ucfswimmer]

oh the irony in this is sweet...


so i decided to f*** it and put the radeon card in a new system that was working and woila, no problems at all (abit kt7a-raid mobo, athlon t-bird 1.4ghz cpu, 20gb wd hdd, sblive, etc etc)

now this was the computer i was going to give to my brother...but ive been thinking, and since TODAY (6/23) is my 21st b-day i decided that you know what? im going to give him the oc'ed celeron and keep the t-bird...besides its in a better case anyways...

so i do some computer surgery..get all the componets just the way id like them and woila..again..everything is just fine...

...but i cant be content with being fine...

i have to squeeze every last bit out of it...so since it was an 8500le, i decide to flash the bios to the retail 8500 with clock speeds of 275/275...which was ok because i used tweak3d to do the same thing and tested for stability so i knew it could take it...well the oc'ing wasnt the problem, but i think i messed up my card's bios...

im using the newest flash utility from here (http://www.xcl-clan.com/download2.php3?fileid=62)

i made a copy of the bios i had, then i flashed it with the retail version..rebooted..and dog-gone-it, i get the same exact problem as before..boots into vga mode with 4-bit color at 640x480, and it detects the radeon, but it says it doesnt have enough resources for it...so im like damnit..well maybe flashing the bios wants it to take up more memory or something now? so i reboot and go to flash back to my backup bios and this is what happens:

"ERROR: timout 1: poll rom idle after write enable

ERROR 0FL01: Press '1' to continue"

so i try to flash to the OEM 8500 with speeds of 250/250...and again the same error...so i reboot and again im still in vga mode...right back to square 1...

someone please help me :(

[grunjee]

D'oh!

If I were you I'd head over to the Rage3d forums... I really don't know what to tell you as far as what to do... good luck though...

[ucfswimmer]

they arent the greatest help over there...i've gotten like 2 or 3 replies total from a post for help i made 2 days ago and it wasnt even good advice...im counting on you guys here! ;)

~jeff~

[gtsimmo]

Have you tried my suggestion? If you go to www.ati.com they have two sets of drivers. One for retail "Built by ATI" and one for reference (OEM and third party) "powered by ATI" you need to make sure you downloaded the right driver version

[ucfswimmer]

*bump*

[grunjee]

Yeah I think for the last little while the Rage3d forums have slowed down... they're always hella busy when a new card comes out... everyone getting on and moaning about drivers, etc :D

[bdf24]

Originally posted by grunjee
Yeah I think for the last little while the Rage3d forums have slowed down... they're always hella busy when a new card comes out... everyone getting on and moaning about drivers, etc :D
They can be pretty brutal over there though. And the moderator's can be as well. There not consistant with keeping the forum's clean of flaming and bashing. One thread will have swear's, insult's, etc... and it'll stay open like nobody care's. Then there'll be another thread that's not quit as bad and they'll close it, And ban people for a few day's for posting in it. Really weird. The moderator's are more like "Little Hitler's" over there :)
But for the most part if your an ATI junky you'll get your fair share of excellent info over there. I mostly just browse there to see if I can find answer's or tweak's to my problem's when something arises. I try not to post to much. You never know what sort of responsis you'll get.

[Tracert]

So is the bios actually taking and then it sits there not responding? It would be interesting to see which one is in there. I wonder if it is still the retail?

Can you make another backup of the bios and then crack it open and take a look to see which one it actually has?

Also if it is the retail one then you will need to uninstall the OEM driver version and pull the retail one and instal that one as gtsimmo has said before.

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if it started to give you problems because you now had a retail card (after the flash) installed with "Powered By" drivers.

[hemmerling]

Same hiere for an old Pentium-III board with BX440 chipset, and Nvidia GeForce 6600 graphics board ( advertised as AGP8x, but with 2 keys in the slot interface so that I was able to install it ),

conflict is on W2k

************
General:
This device cannot finde enough free resources that it can use ( Code 12)

Resources
Memory Range: D0000000-DFFFFFFF "is not available"
************

D80000000 - E7FFFFFF
is used by the "Intel 82443BX Pentium® II Processor to AGP Controller" of the motherboard.

Same here
http://www.msfn.org/board/Intel-915GM-chipset-Nvidia-6600-board-problem-t66858.html


It did not help me to reduce my memory from 512 MB to 256 MB ( it was just a try ).

A GeForce 4-MX440 card with 64 MB works properly :-).

There are a lot of more memory conflicts with Win98SE, but on different (lower) memory addresses !

Sincerely
Rolf

[ratbuddy]

Wow. Just, wow.

[moocow]

Holy Jebus. Was that possible?