water cooling help

[SolidWolf]

Well, for now i been using a volcano 7 at full speed (mod) without any thermal "paste" and the temp are abit to high for my style..
Its around 49c idle and goes up to 55c on full load, which like i said, seems to high..
So since i wanna overclock i'm looking for a better way to cool down my cpu and gf4, which is why i made this thread with a couple of question..

I'm new at water cooling and not even complely sure how it works, i think i got the basic tho, so i was wondering if its possible to have the cpu and gf4 on water cooling thru the same water cooling system.. if yes, wont the water be abit hot after passing thru cpu? meaning when it passes thru the gf4, it wont be as cold.. sorry if it dosent make sense, but i still dont fully get how it works..

If someone know a nice full kit, plz post the link, and the reason why i dont make my own is cause i'm still very new at it and wont know if i'm would be doing it right..

[MajinSSJVegetto]

If you run a GPU (graphics pu) and a CPU cooler in series then yes, when the water hits the second part it will be slighlt hotter.
Not to much hotter, just a few degrees. Really it doesn't make much of a difference.
Although, if you run them parrellel, it will run the water slower, but not be any hotter when reaching the second part.

[SolidWolf]

even tho is abit hotter, it will still do its job on the second part, right?
and do you happend to know any water cooling kit with the gpu thing included, or am i gonna have to buy 2 extra tube and the gpu thing seperetly? sorry, but i dont know how they call these things.. ;-)

[UnseenMenace]

Originally posted by SolidWolf
Well, for now i been using a volcano 7 at full speed (mod) without any thermal "paste" and the temp are abit to high for my style..
Its around 49c idle and goes up to 55c on full load, which like i said, seems to high..

Wow im not personally surpised that your tempratures are not higher as running with out thermal paste is a NO NO, you would most certainly get a noticable temprature drop just by lapping your heatsink and using a quality paste such as Artic Silver.

How cool the water is depends upon the volume of water you are running through your system, the size or the radiator, and many other things not to mention the setup which may or may not include a pelt.
Possibly the best solution should you wish to continue towards watercooling would be to buy a koolerance case which has all the watercooled equipment installed, Do not under any circumstances think or believe that watercooling is the solution to all your problems and in some cases it can make as many as it cures. A large majority of the high performing watercooled systems have parts such as radiators outside the case and as such are you willing to do such a thing?
There are many other questions which have to be answered such as .. how often is this PC moved... what precautions am I going to take incase the pump fails.

[SolidWolf]

i'm gonna be getting some artic silver soon, hopefully that should lower my temp for around 5c (guessing), but i'm still very instrested in water cooling, thats why i need help in choosing a quality one, not something thats wont cool to well..

[UnseenMenace]

Originally posted by SolidWolf
i'm gonna be getting some artic silver soon, hopefully that should lower my temp for around 5c (guessing), but i'm still very instrested in water cooling, thats why i need help in choosing a quality one, not something thats wont cool to well..

The pre-manufactured watercooling kits generally sit on the side of caution and reliability rather than performance. To obtain a high perfoming watercooled system you have no choice but to go it alone and create a one off to suit your requirements.. some people run big pelts.. huge radiatiors all outside the case as this allows better airflow around the items

[SolidWolf]

well, i'm 2 new at water cooling to make my own, unless someone is willing to help me every way of the steps..
even tho, are there any tuts around i could read to get me started? and do you happend to know some good parts i should get.. btw, i'm hooping to get something that would fit my case, meaning not too big since the gf4 is HUGE...

[SolidWolf]

ok, i think i miss understood you when you said to make my own..
i took it as making my parts and stuff, which sounds way to hard, but now i took it as in buy the parts i one, which makes sense..
if thats what you mean, can you give me a list of the things i would need, and the basic setup? tia..

[UnseenMenace]

http://www.dangerden.com/

[Mobile]

You will need a:

Waterblock (best to purchase one if your this new at watercooling; search the forums)

Radiator (you can use a heater core, such as a '87 Chevette heater core; search the forums)

Pump (use the seach function on the forums to learn about all the different pumps available, and the pro's and cons of each)

Resevoir (this is only needed if you choose to submerge the pump in water, if you get an inline pump, u dont need a resevoir; althoug some people still use them in an inline system)

Silicone/Tygon/Vinyl Tubing (use the search function on the forums to find out the pro's and con's of each)

Fan to cool the radiator (usually 120mm, again use the search function on the forums)

As you can see ALL of the information you need to build your own watercooling setup is already in the forums. After doing all your forum research then you can come up with some personalized, educated questions that many helpfull people will be willing to answer.

Happy researching, go to it!

http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/search.php?s=

[garasaki]

Building everything yourself isn't that tough. You can have someone machine the WBs if you need to. You can also watercool your Mobo chipsets if you want. Personally, I'd suggest cooling the different chips in series, as long as you have a pump that can handle that...

[SolidWolf]

sorry, but i still dont get the whole thing, is there any guide around which explain what does what and in order?

[garasaki]

Well, did you try the "Ultimate Cooling Guide" sticky at the top of the screen?? That should answer most questions...

Do you have specific questions for us? Those are a lot easier to anwser then "I don't understand it"...:beer:

[SolidWolf]

what i really meant was what each part does scientificly, like how the radioter cools the water down, or how the peltier works, the different water cooling type (something about getting air inside the water or some ****), ect.. cause i want to understand how it works, not just use it..

[SolidWolf]

Also a complete list of the parts i'm gonna be needed and optional parts i could use to keep it even cooler..

[Hardass]

Here,s a link to another company that sells prefab H2o systems. Link (www.xtwerkz.com/Liquid_Cooling.htm)

[Malakai]

Solidwolf, i think before u go getting hardcore with the water u need to REALLY< REALLY learn the basics of aircooling 1st. there are many risks when it comes to watercooling.

get an AX-7 HSF from www.newegg.com or someplace comparible, go grab a tube of Arctic Silver 3 from www.svcompucycle.com for 7$ including shipping, and get a nice quiet Mecatronics 80mm 51cfm fan, or a whining delta if u dont mind the noise. an AX7 is an EXCELLENT air cooler, and will serve u well and let u get some nice o/c'ing in.
IMO watercooling only becomes needed when your ready to start soldering volt mods onto the mobo and advanced stuff like that. and watercooling a GPU is a real bitch.

my pump (danner 500) and my rad (heatercore) sit on top of my case because it doesnt all fit inside, and i dont want hot casee air sucked through the rad, or the warm rad exaust put into the case.

i have damaged a mobo and had to completely disassemble my comp more than a few times cause of it, watercooling really isnt for the new.

just a few pointers there bud, i HIGHLY recommend u get a high performance air cooling solution to start with, than a few months (or a year) down te road go water, only after learning everything u can about it.

-Malakai

[masitti]

Ok, I remember being where you were. I was looking for a logical explanation of WHAT the hell I needed to do it, and how to set it up, etc. Check this guide here... http://www17.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q2/010528/

This looks good: http://www.highspeedpc.com/index.htm?WaterCoolingSetupGuide.htm

And see if some watercooling kits have instructions on how to set one up; that will help too.

[SolidWolf]

Malakai, you are right, lately i been going abit crazy about water cooling, even tho i wont be able to get one anytime soon cause of the price tag, but the point of it is to learn as much as i can for when i'm ready to get it, also my mid tower case is 2 small for water cooling so thats another thing holding me back..
but i just finished ordering the highspeed unlocking kit which hopefully should help overclocking and artic silver 3 for my volcano7 at full speed..
if the temp are still high after using thermal paste on my volcano, i'll go ahead and pick up that ax-7, for now i'm gonna try and stick with the volcano since i already have it.. :)
and thx for the advice..

msmasitti, thx for the links, gonna start reading them in a sec. :)

[bongo]

I think you really don't need to even dreamabout water cooling.......not for anytime soon atleast.
You should see a big temp. drop when you apply a thin layer (VERY THIN) of AS3 .
And if that doesn't satisfy your needs go get a monster hsf like MCX462 or AX-7. These hsf do just as good of a job as some of those pre-fabed watercooling kits.


Take UNseens advice and stay away from the water,because water and electronics dont like to play well together when used incorrectly as you did with going w/o thermal paste :P

[Malakai]

be sure to go to www.arcticsilver.com and read the directions on applying well. ill admit i was putting a way think layer on back in the day before i saw their very detailed instructions there.

good luck, may the chickens be with u