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The point from this is, IBM doesn't have as good a track record with HDs as do many other companies. At one time yes, but they squandered it with bad HDs, HDs that they wouldn't and haven't admitted was bad. Which is why we have a class action lawsuit against IMB right now.
Now since you claim a lack of personal experience with some types of HDs, and claim you can't comment because of that; I don't see how you can make any comment on any other HD you haven't owned, or any other company because of some of their HDs you haven't owned?
The thing is, a company's reputation is based, in large part, on their total performance with all their products in a particular area. In this case HDs. Have a big enough flop, treat the people bad enough, and make enough excuses, and you're sure to alienate your market base! I wouldn't hesitate to say that IBM sold their HD division because they have ruined their reputation with that division among the marketplace. I mean anyone who knowingly buys an IBM HD right now has several things against them. Blind alligence, disavowing noted concerns/problems, disavowing public opinion, disavowing known service and support. I am sure this can be expanded upon, but the point is there comes a point where people, as a whole, stops and says, hey something is wrong here because too many people are saying negative things about something. Plus what they directly see coming from the company.
While all these things doesn't mean every single HD from IBM is bad, and one stands a chance of getting a good one. It does mean you are taking more risk in getting a good one. I don't know what the prices are of IBM HDs at this moment, but they should be considerably cheaper than anything else on the market. Maybe 25% cheaper.
Still as I said, anyone can have and claim good luck with practically anything. What works for one doesn't work for another, or even a majority.
While Maxtor may be no.1 right now with their HDs, I can guarantee you one thing, they won't stay there forever. Being no.1 in brings with it arrogance and a superiority complex, that they can do no wrong. (Applies to all companies.) At some point cost cutting, trying to maximize profits on a no.1 ranked reputation will lead to a poorly designed product. What remains to be seen is if Maxtor handles their future flub-up with the dignity and integrity to move them back to no.1 after their fall. IMB has completely failed in this area because they really haven't admitted they ever made a mistake, which is about the biggest blunder a company can make.
On a side note; Do any of you remember how Seagate got their start? How they first manufactured their HDs? What their reputation was? I didn't know untill I bought a early Seagate HD that failed on me and I needed it replaced under warranty. A couple of guys started the company in a vacant warehouse. There was no clean room where the HDs were assembyled. Needless to say, they continued this practice even after large numbers of their HDs were being returned to them. It took a lawsuit then to get many people their HDs fixed, replaced, or refunds. Seagate ended up having to destroy thousands of new HDs because they were suspect and people had quit buying their HDs. Thus they tried to save face and show they were doing something to improve their quality by pulling all them HDs.
That happened back around 1990. And I never have had the urge to want to own another Seagate since that bad experience with them. OTOH Seagate bought out the best HD maker there ever was when they aquired Conner HDs. Conner HDs were known as the best you could buy the whole time they remained a company, and had a sterling reputation for the 8-10 years they were in business. There are today, thousands of Conner HDs running that are over 10 years old! The point is, Seagate even with purchase of the best HD maker that ever was, still in my mind and I'm sure in other early Seagate owners mind's as well, is still is a company I would prefer NOT to do business with!
Maxtor isn't innocent either. When it was Maxtor and Conner, along with Seagate, Quantum, WD and IBM, it was Maxtor who had the ackward HDs, just above the Seagates in reputation. Their HDs wouldn't run with anything but another Maxtor or maybe some WDs. They were loud/noisy and slow. Plus they had a high failure rate, although not anywhere near what the Seagates had. While building computers then, in the late 80s and early 90s, I said to myself, I'd never buy a Maxtor HD, and I didn't! IMHO Maxtor has only recently, since about 1998, really improved their HDs. Yet the main thing that kept Maxtor in the hunt was they never alienated many people, and always tried too put forth a little more effort in satisfying the demands of the market. So in the last couple years I think Maxtor has seen this philosophy pay off. Again though, whether they can keep this position and reputation remains to be seen. If they can't, that's when I'll go elsewhere again.
This past month, when I purchased my 3 Maxtor D740Xs, I came real close to getting the WD Special Editions instead. The only reason I didn't was because I was now already comfortable with Maxtor's HDs, knowing their track record. Plus the only other HD I ever had to die on me was a WD, back in about 1994. (Don't forget WD had some bad HD models in the mid to late 90s as well. They took a beating for awhile, but they too seem to have pulled themselves back out of their problems by fixing their mistakes.)
Cheers,
Mike
Now since you claim a lack of personal experience with some types of HDs, and claim you can't comment because of that; I don't see how you can make any comment on any other HD you haven't owned, or any other company because of some of their HDs you haven't owned?
The thing is, a company's reputation is based, in large part, on their total performance with all their products in a particular area. In this case HDs. Have a big enough flop, treat the people bad enough, and make enough excuses, and you're sure to alienate your market base! I wouldn't hesitate to say that IBM sold their HD division because they have ruined their reputation with that division among the marketplace. I mean anyone who knowingly buys an IBM HD right now has several things against them. Blind alligence, disavowing noted concerns/problems, disavowing public opinion, disavowing known service and support. I am sure this can be expanded upon, but the point is there comes a point where people, as a whole, stops and says, hey something is wrong here because too many people are saying negative things about something. Plus what they directly see coming from the company.
While all these things doesn't mean every single HD from IBM is bad, and one stands a chance of getting a good one. It does mean you are taking more risk in getting a good one. I don't know what the prices are of IBM HDs at this moment, but they should be considerably cheaper than anything else on the market. Maybe 25% cheaper.
Still as I said, anyone can have and claim good luck with practically anything. What works for one doesn't work for another, or even a majority.
While Maxtor may be no.1 right now with their HDs, I can guarantee you one thing, they won't stay there forever. Being no.1 in brings with it arrogance and a superiority complex, that they can do no wrong. (Applies to all companies.) At some point cost cutting, trying to maximize profits on a no.1 ranked reputation will lead to a poorly designed product. What remains to be seen is if Maxtor handles their future flub-up with the dignity and integrity to move them back to no.1 after their fall. IMB has completely failed in this area because they really haven't admitted they ever made a mistake, which is about the biggest blunder a company can make.
On a side note; Do any of you remember how Seagate got their start? How they first manufactured their HDs? What their reputation was? I didn't know untill I bought a early Seagate HD that failed on me and I needed it replaced under warranty. A couple of guys started the company in a vacant warehouse. There was no clean room where the HDs were assembyled. Needless to say, they continued this practice even after large numbers of their HDs were being returned to them. It took a lawsuit then to get many people their HDs fixed, replaced, or refunds. Seagate ended up having to destroy thousands of new HDs because they were suspect and people had quit buying their HDs. Thus they tried to save face and show they were doing something to improve their quality by pulling all them HDs.
That happened back around 1990. And I never have had the urge to want to own another Seagate since that bad experience with them. OTOH Seagate bought out the best HD maker there ever was when they aquired Conner HDs. Conner HDs were known as the best you could buy the whole time they remained a company, and had a sterling reputation for the 8-10 years they were in business. There are today, thousands of Conner HDs running that are over 10 years old! The point is, Seagate even with purchase of the best HD maker that ever was, still in my mind and I'm sure in other early Seagate owners mind's as well, is still is a company I would prefer NOT to do business with!
Maxtor isn't innocent either. When it was Maxtor and Conner, along with Seagate, Quantum, WD and IBM, it was Maxtor who had the ackward HDs, just above the Seagates in reputation. Their HDs wouldn't run with anything but another Maxtor or maybe some WDs. They were loud/noisy and slow. Plus they had a high failure rate, although not anywhere near what the Seagates had. While building computers then, in the late 80s and early 90s, I said to myself, I'd never buy a Maxtor HD, and I didn't! IMHO Maxtor has only recently, since about 1998, really improved their HDs. Yet the main thing that kept Maxtor in the hunt was they never alienated many people, and always tried too put forth a little more effort in satisfying the demands of the market. So in the last couple years I think Maxtor has seen this philosophy pay off. Again though, whether they can keep this position and reputation remains to be seen. If they can't, that's when I'll go elsewhere again.
This past month, when I purchased my 3 Maxtor D740Xs, I came real close to getting the WD Special Editions instead. The only reason I didn't was because I was now already comfortable with Maxtor's HDs, knowing their track record. Plus the only other HD I ever had to die on me was a WD, back in about 1994. (Don't forget WD had some bad HD models in the mid to late 90s as well. They took a beating for awhile, but they too seem to have pulled themselves back out of their problems by fixing their mistakes.)
Cheers,
Mike
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