$150....hrmm

the Undone guy · Jul 11, 2003

say i had 150 bucks laying around, or around that....what would be the better bang for my buck? If i overclock it wont be by much...but my choices are:

GF4 ti4200
GF4 ti4800se

ati 9500pro
ati 9600np/pro (less pixel shaders make a diff here?)

Right now i have a GF3 ti200 overclocked to stock ti500 speeds, and getting tired of lagging in SWG. How much difference would it make if my card was dx9.0 compatable compared to the nvidia ones that are not? Thanks for the help...

funnyperson1 · Jul 11, 2003

The 9500Pro is the best of all those choices.

Damian · Jul 11, 2003

The 9600 has less pixel pipelines, not pixel shaders. Pixel pipelines are the mechanisms which generate the pixels themselves. Yes, they do make a difference, and yes, the 9600 is pretty bad.

I'd also reccommend a 9500 non-pro for $130 at allstarshop.com. Not only do you have a chance of softmodding it to a 9700, but if you can't, you're still left with a pretty decent card which when overclocked is faster than an overclocked 9600 pro.

El<(')>Maxi · Jul 11, 2003

Of those cards the 9500pro is the best.

The 9600 has other deficiencies other that the pixel shaders, for instance it has about half the core transistors of the 9500pro. It would run cooler however. I run DX9 on my Radeon 8500 and it's no problem.

And I heard that the ti4800 has exactly the same core it's just clocked higher than the ti4200. But don't quote me on that.

Kino · Jul 11, 2003

kinda off-topic, but how come you have an avatar already? i mean, youre a new memeber

Damian · Jul 11, 2003

El<(')>Maxi said:
Of those cards the 9500pro is the best.
And I heard that the ti4800 has exactly the same core it's just clocked higher than the ti4200. But don't quote me on that.

Yes. All GF4 Tis use the same basic core.
Ti4200: 250/444 or 250/513
Ti4400: 275/550
Ti4600: 300/650
Ti4800: Ti4600 with AGP 8x
Ti4800se: Ti4400 with AGP 8x

A Ti4200 with AGP 8x is just called a Ti4200.

john240sx · Jul 11, 2003

Kino said:
kinda off-topic, but how come you have an avatar already? i mean, youre a new memeber

look at the joined date, he was a member before that rule was put into effect so i assume he either had an avatar before or his account isn't restricted.

from that list i would go with the 9500Pro, but good luck finding one for $150.

the TI4800 is a TI4600 with AGP 8X support i belive.... i'm pretty sure that's what i read.

the Undone guy · Jul 11, 2003

Damian said:
I'd also reccommend a 9500 non-pro for $130 at allstarshop.com. Not only do you have a chance of softmodding it to a 9700, but if you can't, you're still left with a pretty decent card which when overclocked is faster than an overclocked 9600 pro.

Could you elaborate on this a little more? *edit* why is it only a chance?

btw i really appritiate the help guys, you rock. john240sx i found one for like 180 something, so 30 extra bucks isnt any biggie if its going to make a dramatic difference compared to the other cards.

Falcon-K · Jul 11, 2003

its only a chance because a lot of the time it fails and u are left with the 9500 np iv heard that its anywhere from less than 30% up to 70% succesful, if i had the choice and could get a 9500 pro for 150$ i would get that.

memphist0 · Jul 11, 2003

I'd go with the 9500Pro. It can't be softmodded but its still a good card.

Derivative · Jul 11, 2003

9500pro. Can't go wrong with it.

MrMarbles · Jul 11, 2003

if someone finds a 9500 pro for $150 from a reputable source (and I pray you do) POST LINK PLZ because I'd love to jump on that

seriously though, I doubt you can find it anywhere for under $180

the Undone guy · Jul 12, 2003

nah its not for 150, i meant around 150....they run usually about 180ish, worth the extra 30 bucks if you ask me...

btw thanks for the advice guys!

*edit* it looks like someone fixed the bios on the 9500np/pro and 9700np to be overclockable:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=33654157

i guess the new bios changes one hex value alowing software overclocking through the registry. One guy had his 9500pro up to 9700pro speeds it looks like.....anyone try this out?

Bahamet · Jul 13, 2003

Omega drivers(at least the newest ones) have hacked drivers thet softmod the card automaticly. give em a try. www.omegacorner.com

CrystalMethod · Jul 13, 2003

I'd go with the 9500Pro as well. It's best overall without tweaking anything. Once you start tweaking it, it only gets better.

repo man11 · Jul 13, 2003

Look at this, 9500 for $142.00 from Newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=14-102-271&DEPA=1

Edit: You're right, it is not the Pro. Sorry for the false alarm.

MrMarbles · Jul 13, 2003

I think thats non pro..

Maxwell Murder · Jul 13, 2003

Thats the non pro card, I thought holy crap at first but I know it was to good be true

Hurk · Jul 13, 2003

It's bean said to death, but I'd also get the 9500 Pro. I would not take the chance of so called softmod for the 9500 non-pro, it's just too risky. The 9500 Pro is a very fast card and really, you can't go wrong with it.

On a side note: The overclocked Ti200 should be good enough to play SWG. I'm now wondering what kind of system you are running, maybe the money would be better spent on CPU / MoBo / Memory.

the Undone guy · Jul 13, 2003

well i want to take full advantage of how beautiful that game is....and its just not possible with my ti200. I have a p4 2.53ghz (intel mobo) with 512 of 2700mmry. So its not a matter of my system being too slow, its just bottlenecked at the card. I can run the game fine with no details on the buildings, no shadows, and little floral, but i want all of it...can you blame me? Not to mention i want to upgrade before Half Life 2 comes out.

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