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Barton can we get an idea of what these coputers will be used for?
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johan851 said:
Even though I'm a pretty strong AMD fan, I have to agree with the deals Intel/Dell give to schools. Intel is much more likely to give you very good deals on bulk processor purchases. Of course, their CPU's are expensive to begin with...but in terms of building an AMD system yourself as opposed to buying a (probably cheaper overall, if purchased in bulk) Dell...for a school I might just go with the Dell/Intel deal.
Sorry for the confusion, I mean if you use any heatsink/fan other than the one that comes with it.Also bear in mind that AMD's 3 year warranty on retail processor voids when using a heatsink/fan that comes with it.
Without overclocking, my XP2400 on stock heatsink runs at 32C after playing an hour of Ghost Recon. I don't have an Intel to compare after heavy processor usage, but the machine I use at work has 28C while CPU is idle.With an Athlon Xp and a stock cooler, a cabinet with no air, just wont do. Sure it will run, but not at its full capabilities.
That might be an issue if the processor had to be replaced. But UW buys the computer preassembled by a local vendor.The only thing I see that could cause trouble is that AMD dosent have a heatspreader so if you have no clue what you are doing when putting the heatsink-fan on, you may crack/crush/chip the core. But that dosent happen too often.
I would think so, but my supervisor said if I can show that using AMD makes more sense, then go with AMD. I'll have to ask to verify if UW has a deal with Intel.The University of Waterloo I am pretty sure has a deal with Intel, as they do with Microsoft.
There is actually a Linux lab in Engineering. The rest of the labs are Windows 2000/XP or Unix terminals.Don't forget that intel often gives huge discounts to companies buying bulk, both on boards and chips. They also provide tech support. And you know for sure that the company will be there three years down the road.
www.benchtest.com/calc.htmlbarton2500 said:@md0Cer, where did you get the thermal wattage calculator? I'm interesting in getting the Wattage for a Celeron 2.4 and a P4 2.6C.
Definatly the 2400+ if it is cheaper. You probably have a little less performance than the 2.6C, but if it is less than half the price definatly go for it. It would probably take a 3.4Ghz celeron to compete with a stock 2400+ becuase of the fact that it has most of its L1 and L2 cache disabled. Also, the celeron only has a 100X4 fsb. The 2400 has a 133X2, and the 2.6C a 200X4. If you can get the 2.6C cheaper than the AMD I would get that, but if the AMD is cheaper definatly go with that.I think the choices for reasonable price/performance:
P4 2.6C, Celeron 2.4, AthlonXP 2400.
Official prices from Intel and AMD for them are: $178, $79, $79 respectively.
Note: no overclocking, I don't want to get in trouble for voiding the warranty
Here's my evaluation:
P4 2.6C
- is Intel, which is the usual choice
- has a nice heatspreader
- has hardware thermal protection
- reasonably fast, won't be obsolete
- more expensive
Celeron 2.4
- same as above, except it is a lot slower(like a P4 1.6A) and that it is cheap
AthlonXP 2400
- harder to install heatsink, but that is the vendor's problem, UW isn't assembling computers.
- cheap as Celeron
- slower than P4 2.6C, but it is still fast
I'm going to have to get the usual vendor's pricelist so that I can decide if the price difference between Intel/AMD is worth it. It is possible that the vendor could sell AMDs for higher profit margin than Intels, or it could be reverse. Also, P4 2.6C might be priced higher than P4 2.4C even though Intel sells both for the same price.
Also I'd like to know what motherboard I should use. Generally, UW uses Asus boards with integrated graphics, and the P4 2.4B system in my office is a P4P800-VM(yes, it is silly to use a FSB533 processor on a 800 FSB board). Here's my choices for now:
Intel processor: P4P800-VM
AMD processor: A7N8X-VM
I'll have to see if a A7V8X-MX is available. Asus doesn't have a KT600 motherboard with integrated graphics though.The nforce2 chipset is awsome for overclocking, but if you arent overclocking, money could be saved by getting a VIA based board. Perhaps one based off of the Kt333 or even the kt400.
That is why we have uniform labs. We're not replacing every computer lab right now, we're only replacing the Pentium II 400s.It's important to have one build of PC; one software build; one identical hardware build
Both of the rigs in my sig have zero driver issues. How could most of us have problems? So far the driver CDs that come with the hardware works for me.Chipsets for one - how many of us who have worked with AMD boards have dealt with nVidia and VIA chipset driver issues? Most of us, I'm assuming.