cos i dont think the so much higher processors of p4 and the higher prices motherbaords are worth the little more speed they give, ill spent that money on a 9700 pro instead of getting a 9600 pro guys, thx for all the information and i hope i dont have to ask so many questions in the future, i really learned a lot the last 3 days and i cant wait to get my amd 2500+ barton and make it a 3200+ barton and laugh at my cousins 2.67 ghz p4b