What would be the better card?

x800xt non-pe or x800xl? This is for AGP by the way.

I am not the ATI expert (nvidia fanboy), but i believe the order is xtpe>xt>pro>xl best to worst.

The X800 XT is the superior card for both overclocking, and for stock performance.


It is however, a more expensive video card. If you decide to buy one over an X800 XL, you also need to make sure that you get your moneys worth, and a card with the more robust 1.6 ns Samsung memory - there have been X800 XTs made with the worse 2.0ns Samsung memory, which is a ripoff for the cost of the cards.

For priceerformance, the X800XL is hard to beat at stock speeds. But the 110nm core that the X800XLs use has not yet proven itself to be a strong or consistant overclocker, lowering the card's appeal. The core process appears to still be infantile, and has not been overclocking particularly well in the real-world examples that we have so far (at least at stock voltages, with stock aircooling, to good watercooling).

stang8118 said:

I am not the ATI expert (nvidia fanboy), but i believe the order is xtpe>xt>pro>xl best to worst.

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xtpe>xt>xl>pro>np

Ok well I can get a Saphire XT for $439 and I am guessing the AGP XL will be about $360-370. 500mhz core vs 400mhz and 1000mhz ram vs 980mhz. Sounds pretty close but I don't think the XL core will be able to make up the 100mhz. But is it worth the extra $60-100 getting the XT?

There is no AGP XL.

infinitevalence said:

There is no AGP XL.

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There will be.

its worth the extra cash imho, if you go with the XL you will probably never see 500mhz, if you go with the XT you will definitely see the cash again

infinitevalence said:

There is no AGP XL.

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Yes, there is


right here.

May be an All-in-Wonder, but it's still an AGP XL
Was $450 when i saw it first about a week and a half ago. Now $409. This is high on my list of possible upgrades after i get my new mobo/cpu/ram set up..

EDIT: I meant to say high on my list after the price drops some, and it has been steadily. At the current price I'd definitely go for the XT though..

gibletzor said:

Yes, there is


right here.

May be an All-in-Wonder, but it's still an AGP XL
Was $450 when i saw it first about a week and a half ago. Now $409. This is high on my list of possible upgrades after i get my new mobo/cpu/ram set up..

EDIT: I meant to say high on my list after the price drops some, and it has been steadily. At the current price I'd definitely go for the XT though..

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i think thats the wrong pic for that card i think that pic is a aiw x800xt but yah agp xls do exist

gibletzor said:

Yes, there is


right here.

May be an All-in-Wonder, but it's still an AGP XL
Was $450 when i saw it first about a week and a half ago. Now $409. This is high on my list of possible upgrades after i get my new mobo/cpu/ram set up..

EDIT: I meant to say high on my list after the price drops some, and it has been steadily. At the current price I'd definitely go for the XT though..

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ZOMG! THANK YOU!. ive been looking around at the potential of this because i dont want to drop the cash for a new mobo AND gpu all at once <_< all in wonders rule... and agp? awsome.. just... awsome.