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- Jul 14, 2004
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- westminster, CO
Atleast I got an answer from a Mod this time. If you don't know about my problem. I have to remove a stick of ram everytime I warm/cold boot. I don't mind having the cold boot issue aspect of it but not being able to warmboot is a bit frustrating. Heres my convo with Angry_games. If its not ok to post this please don't freak out, just ask me to take it down and I will.
-03:37:59- (Jibby) you got a bit to help me out angry?
-03:41:04- (@Angry_Director) speak man
-03:41:20- (@Angry_Director) i got a zillion things going on at once and i am trying to get off to go to bed so speak
-03:41:29- (@Angry_Director) but ill warn you first
-03:41:39- (@Angry_Director) you should have posted whatever problem you are having in the forum at www.dfi-street.com
-03:41:48- (Jibby) I have trust me
-03:42:00- (Jibby) never got answered with something that helped
-03:42:11- (Jibby) posted of ocforums.com and xtremesystems.org
-03:42:12- (Jibby) also
-03:42:13- (@Angry_Director) and if you have not, dont bother to ask the question here if it is support related as i will instruct you to go there first and read teh rules, then make a post after you have searched the forums to see if anyone has had the same problem
-03:42:27- (@Angry_Director) give me the link then if you have posted it at dfi-street
-03:42:32- (Jibby) k
-03:43:27- (Jibby) http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showpost.php?p=275096&postcount=4
-03:43:39- (Jibby) thats the single post
-03:43:40- (Jibby) thread
-03:43:41- (Jibby) http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28733
-03:43:42- (Jibby) here
-03:44:10- (Jibby) I know theres a cold boot issue but why do I have a warm boot issue also?
-03:44:21- (Jibby) Im not using the 4v jumper im using the 3.3v trick
-03:44:30- (Jibby) 3.3v rail is at 3.55
-03:44:55- (Jibby) I've personally taken my ram to mushkin
-03:45:04- (Jibby) they've tested it and confirmed it was perfectly good ram
-03:45:33- (@Angry_Director) lol mushkin redline
-03:45:36- (@Angry_Director) *sigh*
-03:45:45- (@Angry_Director) get rid of it, or get rid of your DFI motherboard
-03:45:47- (@Angry_Director) one or the other
-03:45:56- (Jibby) umm
-03:46:45- (Jibby) are you kidding me? thats your fix for this problem?
-03:47:11- (@Angry_Director) if anyone comes to me with Redline Mushkin or OCZ VX4000
-03:47:15- (@Angry_Director) that is the answer I give them
-03:47:23- (@Angry_Director) why?
-03:47:25- (@Angry_Director) ill tell ya why
-03:47:30- (Jibby) cuz you don't care?
-03:47:47- (@Angry_Director) because these two particular sets of memory have a nasty habit of dying on this motherboard, or not dying but just not booting properly anymore
-03:48:12- (Jibby) it wouldn't have anything to do with the cold boot issue right?
-03:48:19- (@Angry_Director) they are made with Winbond CH-5 dies for the most part and Winbond CH-5 die is only a .15micron die, while true BH-5 dies are .175micron, a much much thicker and hardier die to accept high voltages through
-03:48:51- (@Angry_Director) CH-5, being the thin die that it is, gets a lot of voltage to it constantly and wears it down if not outright killing it
-03:49:25- (@Angry_Director) then you have things like electron migration that happens within silicon (thin silicon) when high voltages are applied to it
-03:49:32- (Jibby) well it does the same thing with my bh-5 sticks
-03:49:40- (Jibby) I do have bh-5 sticks
-03:49:43- • @Angry_Director shrugs
-03:49:47- (@Angry_Director) then get the motherboard replaced
-03:50:06- (@Angry_Director) i dont use nor recommend VX nor Redline in these boards
-03:50:11- (@Angry_Director) i try to steer everyone away
-03:50:22- (@Angry_Director) memory companies always pass the blame off to the board
-03:50:26- (@Angry_Director) so i say get the board replaced
-03:50:35- (@Angry_Director) if you have the same problem, and the memory companies try to blame it on the board still
-03:50:43- (@Angry_Director) then you know to get some different memory from a different company
-03:50:57- (Jibby) I coulda sworn this board was praised because of the 4v jumper and able to utilize high voltage ram without serious modding
-03:51:14- (Jibby) atleast thats the impression I got from everywhere I went when I bought it
-03:51:15- (@Angry_Director) as you are not going to get two bad boards in a row, but when you mix certain combinations of board/memory like this, you will always see this problem...we can replace your board 10000 times and it will still not work properly with these two kinds of RAM
-03:51:21- • @Angry_Director shrugs again
-03:51:32- (@Angry_Director) i use BH-5 @ 3.5v 24/7 @ 250x11
-03:51:59- (@Angry_Director) I've always used BH-5 or BH-5 UTT @ 3.3v - 3.5v @ 250-260 and have never killed any memory
-03:52:17- (@Angry_Director) i also know the value of keeping that 4v jumper VERY cool with some serious airflow when doing it
-03:52:21- (@Angry_Director) most people dont
-03:52:29- (Jibby) so should I try to get mushkin to RMA the ram or let me get their TCCD sticks?
-03:52:39- (@Angry_Director) and end up killing the board because they dont realize that jumper gets about 160°C with no airflow
-03:52:55- (Jibby) yea I know that part but I'm not using the 4v jumper
-03:53:01- (Jibby) so it shouldn't be a problem
-03:53:15- (@Angry_Director) or it might kill the RAM because after that 4v regulator gets hot, it tends to spike when you don't keep it cool
-03:53:24- (@Angry_Director) the problem is you are passing 3.3v or more into that memory
-03:53:42- (@Angry_Director) after time, Redline and VX degrades
-03:53:50- (@Angry_Director) its a well documented issue with plenty of forum posts
-03:54:03- (@Angry_Director) ive never been able to kill them but i dont discount those that have
-03:54:08- (@Angry_Director) so my answer is
-03:54:11- (Jibby) Can you link me if you can?
-03:54:16- (@Angry_Director) replace the board, or get some different memory
-03:54:21- (@Angry_Director) you know how to use a search button i am sure
-03:54:41- (Jibby) w/e thanks for the help
-03:54:44- (@Angry_Director) search is very useful and should be used liberally at any forum for hte most information possible
-03:55:57- (Jibby) Yea I know what search is
After that, Angry_Games got real nasty and I saved all of it but chose not to release it unless angry games ****es me off again by telling me to sell my ram like he did later on if I want my problems to go away.
So, I'm being told by mushkin its DFI's board that is not up to par and I'm being told by DFI its mushkins faulty ram. I'm lost on what to do. Based on Angry_games logic, bh-5 should work fine. I dunno if he was hoping I didn't have any bh-5 but I have 2 trusty sticks and the bh-5 has the same problem with the board. If its such a big issue, why hasn't DFI made a huge sticky saying don't use one of the main features of the board (the 4v jumper) with mushkin and ocz ram. I'm gonna RMA the board and sell this piece and pick up an epox or abit board.
*EDIT* I just found out why from Angry_games himself why they don't have a sticky about issues with the board and UTT.
-04:19:44- (Jibby) please add a post thats stickied
-04:19:47- (Jibby) that says
-04:19:50- (Jibby) beware
-04:19:51- (@Angry_Director) how about read what i already said
-04:19:52- (@Angry_Director) we did
-04:19:54- (@Angry_Director) you didnt listen
-04:19:56- (@Angry_Director) so we took it down
-04:20:01- (@Angry_Director) because just like right now
-04:20:03- (@Angry_Director) you dont listen
*2nd EDIT* He also told me the expert board was being made to fix NO PROBLEMS WITH THE DFI BOARD. He said the expert board was being made to fix problems with the nf4 chipset.
-03:37:59- (Jibby) you got a bit to help me out angry?
-03:41:04- (@Angry_Director) speak man
-03:41:20- (@Angry_Director) i got a zillion things going on at once and i am trying to get off to go to bed so speak
-03:41:29- (@Angry_Director) but ill warn you first
-03:41:39- (@Angry_Director) you should have posted whatever problem you are having in the forum at www.dfi-street.com
-03:41:48- (Jibby) I have trust me
-03:42:00- (Jibby) never got answered with something that helped
-03:42:11- (Jibby) posted of ocforums.com and xtremesystems.org
-03:42:12- (Jibby) also
-03:42:13- (@Angry_Director) and if you have not, dont bother to ask the question here if it is support related as i will instruct you to go there first and read teh rules, then make a post after you have searched the forums to see if anyone has had the same problem
-03:42:27- (@Angry_Director) give me the link then if you have posted it at dfi-street
-03:42:32- (Jibby) k
-03:43:27- (Jibby) http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showpost.php?p=275096&postcount=4
-03:43:39- (Jibby) thats the single post
-03:43:40- (Jibby) thread
-03:43:41- (Jibby) http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28733
-03:43:42- (Jibby) here
-03:44:10- (Jibby) I know theres a cold boot issue but why do I have a warm boot issue also?
-03:44:21- (Jibby) Im not using the 4v jumper im using the 3.3v trick
-03:44:30- (Jibby) 3.3v rail is at 3.55
-03:44:55- (Jibby) I've personally taken my ram to mushkin
-03:45:04- (Jibby) they've tested it and confirmed it was perfectly good ram
-03:45:33- (@Angry_Director) lol mushkin redline
-03:45:36- (@Angry_Director) *sigh*
-03:45:45- (@Angry_Director) get rid of it, or get rid of your DFI motherboard
-03:45:47- (@Angry_Director) one or the other
-03:45:56- (Jibby) umm
-03:46:45- (Jibby) are you kidding me? thats your fix for this problem?
-03:47:11- (@Angry_Director) if anyone comes to me with Redline Mushkin or OCZ VX4000
-03:47:15- (@Angry_Director) that is the answer I give them
-03:47:23- (@Angry_Director) why?
-03:47:25- (@Angry_Director) ill tell ya why
-03:47:30- (Jibby) cuz you don't care?
-03:47:47- (@Angry_Director) because these two particular sets of memory have a nasty habit of dying on this motherboard, or not dying but just not booting properly anymore
-03:48:12- (Jibby) it wouldn't have anything to do with the cold boot issue right?
-03:48:19- (@Angry_Director) they are made with Winbond CH-5 dies for the most part and Winbond CH-5 die is only a .15micron die, while true BH-5 dies are .175micron, a much much thicker and hardier die to accept high voltages through
-03:48:51- (@Angry_Director) CH-5, being the thin die that it is, gets a lot of voltage to it constantly and wears it down if not outright killing it
-03:49:25- (@Angry_Director) then you have things like electron migration that happens within silicon (thin silicon) when high voltages are applied to it
-03:49:32- (Jibby) well it does the same thing with my bh-5 sticks
-03:49:40- (Jibby) I do have bh-5 sticks
-03:49:43- • @Angry_Director shrugs
-03:49:47- (@Angry_Director) then get the motherboard replaced
-03:50:06- (@Angry_Director) i dont use nor recommend VX nor Redline in these boards
-03:50:11- (@Angry_Director) i try to steer everyone away
-03:50:22- (@Angry_Director) memory companies always pass the blame off to the board
-03:50:26- (@Angry_Director) so i say get the board replaced
-03:50:35- (@Angry_Director) if you have the same problem, and the memory companies try to blame it on the board still
-03:50:43- (@Angry_Director) then you know to get some different memory from a different company
-03:50:57- (Jibby) I coulda sworn this board was praised because of the 4v jumper and able to utilize high voltage ram without serious modding
-03:51:14- (Jibby) atleast thats the impression I got from everywhere I went when I bought it
-03:51:15- (@Angry_Director) as you are not going to get two bad boards in a row, but when you mix certain combinations of board/memory like this, you will always see this problem...we can replace your board 10000 times and it will still not work properly with these two kinds of RAM
-03:51:21- • @Angry_Director shrugs again
-03:51:32- (@Angry_Director) i use BH-5 @ 3.5v 24/7 @ 250x11
-03:51:59- (@Angry_Director) I've always used BH-5 or BH-5 UTT @ 3.3v - 3.5v @ 250-260 and have never killed any memory
-03:52:17- (@Angry_Director) i also know the value of keeping that 4v jumper VERY cool with some serious airflow when doing it
-03:52:21- (@Angry_Director) most people dont
-03:52:29- (Jibby) so should I try to get mushkin to RMA the ram or let me get their TCCD sticks?
-03:52:39- (@Angry_Director) and end up killing the board because they dont realize that jumper gets about 160°C with no airflow
-03:52:55- (Jibby) yea I know that part but I'm not using the 4v jumper
-03:53:01- (Jibby) so it shouldn't be a problem
-03:53:15- (@Angry_Director) or it might kill the RAM because after that 4v regulator gets hot, it tends to spike when you don't keep it cool
-03:53:24- (@Angry_Director) the problem is you are passing 3.3v or more into that memory
-03:53:42- (@Angry_Director) after time, Redline and VX degrades
-03:53:50- (@Angry_Director) its a well documented issue with plenty of forum posts
-03:54:03- (@Angry_Director) ive never been able to kill them but i dont discount those that have
-03:54:08- (@Angry_Director) so my answer is
-03:54:11- (Jibby) Can you link me if you can?
-03:54:16- (@Angry_Director) replace the board, or get some different memory
-03:54:21- (@Angry_Director) you know how to use a search button i am sure
-03:54:41- (Jibby) w/e thanks for the help
-03:54:44- (@Angry_Director) search is very useful and should be used liberally at any forum for hte most information possible
-03:55:57- (Jibby) Yea I know what search is
After that, Angry_Games got real nasty and I saved all of it but chose not to release it unless angry games ****es me off again by telling me to sell my ram like he did later on if I want my problems to go away.
So, I'm being told by mushkin its DFI's board that is not up to par and I'm being told by DFI its mushkins faulty ram. I'm lost on what to do. Based on Angry_games logic, bh-5 should work fine. I dunno if he was hoping I didn't have any bh-5 but I have 2 trusty sticks and the bh-5 has the same problem with the board. If its such a big issue, why hasn't DFI made a huge sticky saying don't use one of the main features of the board (the 4v jumper) with mushkin and ocz ram. I'm gonna RMA the board and sell this piece and pick up an epox or abit board.
*EDIT* I just found out why from Angry_games himself why they don't have a sticky about issues with the board and UTT.
-04:19:44- (Jibby) please add a post thats stickied
-04:19:47- (Jibby) that says
-04:19:50- (Jibby) beware
-04:19:51- (@Angry_Director) how about read what i already said
-04:19:52- (@Angry_Director) we did
-04:19:54- (@Angry_Director) you didnt listen
-04:19:56- (@Angry_Director) so we took it down
-04:20:01- (@Angry_Director) because just like right now
-04:20:03- (@Angry_Director) you dont listen
*2nd EDIT* He also told me the expert board was being made to fix NO PROBLEMS WITH THE DFI BOARD. He said the expert board was being made to fix problems with the nf4 chipset.
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