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    Over the counter growth pills?

    Im not talking about steroids im talking about over the counter pills that would help increase muscle size.

    Basically im just looking for a quick increase in muscle size. I know the pills wont do nearly what steroids would do but i have no reason for needing to inject myself with roids. Any pills that could do a somewhat decent job at that?

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    Why don't you just work out and save your body from the harm these drugs bring?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack222
    Why don't you just work out and save your body from the harm these drugs bring?
    I have been but i want something that will increase it more.

    I cant just take the pills and sit on the couch all day...... that wont do anything. You gotta work out even if you took roids. Its just that the pills will amplifly what you do by so much more.

    im thinking of something like these

    http://www.supplements101.com/store/...ills_s/227.htm

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    Creatine + protein + increase calories + weights.

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    If you have an understanding of muscle physiology you'll realize that most of these supplements are a complete waste.

    Most young people have poor training habits, but very enthusiastic supplement intake.

    You would do more good refining your weight training routine, and improving your diet. There is no substantial proof (by unbiased sources) that dietary supplements make noticeable improvements in muscle mass.
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    Ehhh, I know a kid who had an excellent diet, worked out wonderfully, and was quite the incredible hulk. He started taking creatine and he got even bigger. Not necessarily stronger however.

    I still remember him refusing to carry tables in order to set up for a local event. His reason "My muscles are for ornamentation only".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    If you have an understanding of muscle physiology you'll realize that most of these supplements are a complete waste.

    Most young people have poor training habits, but very enthusiastic supplement intake.

    You would do more good refining your weight training routine, and improving your diet. There is no substantial proof (by unbiased sources) that dietary supplements make noticeable improvements in muscle mass.
    I was going to chime in with my own advice, but Richard nailed it dead on.

    In fact, whether you should take them or not is overshadowed by the fact that anything taken in pill form and available over the counter will do jack for you at the gym. Trust me on that.

    Okay, so what do you need to get big(ger)? I would say that 70% of it is all in your diet. Not whether you're slurping a protein shake every day (which, considering that a protein shake typically provides you with about 20 g of protein, won't make a big difference), or whether you're on this substance or that.

    It's what you're eating during the day. In fact, the best success is had in meal preparation: smaller meals, more often. Not only is this easier on your system, but this allows your body to absorb the necessary nutrients on a constant basis.

    Furthermore, working out right will do wonders for you. Especially in the stage you're in, in which the beginner gains are going to come fast if you do it right.

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    think of the pills like ebay scams. if its to good to be true it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brickout
    Creatine + protein + increase calories + weights.

    Hammer Nutrition can take care of it for you.
    I've heard creatine has some bad long-term effects, such as killing your liver, and I'm sure anything else you buy would do the same. There's no substitute for hard work.
    Just eat hella protein and workout hard. I've been bulking up quite a bit lately that way, my arms have about doubled in size. Lifting more weight, although decreasing the number of reps you are able to do, will increase muscle size the quickest. Also make sure you don't do the same muscle groups every day, each needs time to recover. Do upper body one day and lower body the next. I do upper body 3 times a week and lower 4 times, and usually run 5 times a week(trying to work off all the beer I've been drinking). And one of the best things about working out hard is it gets rid of hangovers almost immediately!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sno.lcn
    I've heard creatine has some bad long-term effects, such as killing your liver,
    Where the hell did you hear that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frodo Baggins
    Where the hell did you hear that?
    'Men's Journal' magazine I think and my weight training teacher at shcool. This is after years and years(20-30) of using it.

    *Edit: After doing some research, I've found that effects on liver and kidneys can be if there are pre-existing issues with those organs. However, I can't find any studies where it was used for more than five years.
    And "killing your liver" wasn't meant literally, quite an exhaduration actually.

    *Edit: After doing a good bit more research, I think I'm going to give it a shot next week.
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    So i could just walk into GNC go to the supplement isle and grab a few creatin and nitric oxcide containers pay for them and walk out?

    They aren't behind a special case or something like high end computer equipment is at comp usa or best buy?

    It just seems to simple to walk into a store and grab pills like that. It would be like buying cough medicine. Im surprised more people aren't huge if you could just buy those pills at will.

    anybody know if they are on the selves or behind a special case?

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    It's on shelves in the store, it's not regulated at all. You can even buy it at the drug store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sno.lcn
    It's on shelves in the store, it's not regulated at all. You can even buy it at the drug store.
    cool. i better buy a boat load b4 the govt cracks down on it and makes it prescription only.

    barry bonds and company will probably lead to a new law making all enchancement drugs illegal.

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    ^^^ SOLEY taking these thigns wont make you huge

    you have to eat right and work out with it, you can take all the pills and vitamins you want - it ISNT going to make you big on their own.


    You need to use them in conjunction with working out and eating right, basically these items will feed your muscles with what they need to grow,

    This is why you can just walkin and buy them, they are not steroids.


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    O yea i know you gotta work out. But working out + taking these will increase results by sooo much. working out for 2 months taking these will give you results that would of taken like 6 months or more.

    Basically what everyone wants is to keep the "pump" you know that look you get after u finish working out. your friggin huge. then you go to bed wake up the next morning and your like "Wtf" where did it all go.

    well these pills maintain the "pump" look all the time so you always look big even if you aren't big in reality.

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    Just work out. It may not look as good as the steroid bodies (puke..) but you will gain in power, and thats what im doing it for, not the showoff ''look he has them'' but the split-second ''****, he's able to use them''.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zatrix
    cool. i better buy a boat load b4 the govt cracks down on it and makes it prescription only.

    barry bonds and company will probably lead to a new law making all enchancement drugs illegal.
    lol you don't have to worry about that, the stuff's been around for as long as I can remember and I haven't heard anything about anyone trying to pull it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zatrix
    So i could just walk into GNC go to the supplement isle and grab a few creatin and nitric oxcide containers pay for them and walk out?
    Nitric oxide has some industrial uses. As a raw material it is used in the semiconductor industry for various processes. In one of its applications it is used along with nitrous oxide to form oxynitride gates in CMOS devices.

    In the body, nitric oxide is synthesized from arginine and oxygen by various nitric oxide synthase (NOS) enzymes.

    The endothelium (inner lining) of blood vessels use nitric oxide to signal the surrounding smooth muscle to relax, thus dilating the artery and increasing blood flow; bodybuilders use this to achieve a more "ripped", vascular look. This underlies the action of nitroglycerin, amyl nitrate and other nitrate derivatives in the treatment of heart disease: The compounds are converted to nitric oxide (by a process that is not completely understood), which in turn dilates the coronary artery (blood vessels around the heart), thereby increasing its blood supply. Nitric oxide also plays a role in erection of the penis, and explains the mechanism of sildenafil (Viagra). The effects of the recreational drugs known as poppers are also thought to be due to nitric oxide.

    Macrophages, certain cells of the immune system, produce nitric oxide in order to kill invading bacteria. Under certain conditions, this can backfire: Fulminant infection (sepsis) causes excess production of nitric oxide by macrophages, leading to vasodilatation (widening of blood vessels), probably one of the main causes of hypotension (low blood pressure) in sepsis.

    Nitric oxide also serves as a neurotransmitter between nerve cells. Unlike most other neurotransmitters that only transmit information from a presynaptic to a postsynaptic neuron, the small nitric oxide molecule can diffuse all over and can thereby act on several nearby neurons, even on those not connected by a synapse. It is conjectured that this process may be involved in memory through the maintenance of long-term potentiation. Nitric oxide is an important non-adrenergic, non-cholinergic (NANC) neurotransmitter in various parts of the gastrointestinal tract. It causes relaxation of the gastrointestinal smooth muscle. In the stomach it increases the capacity of the fundus to store food/fluids.

    Production of NO also plays a role in development and maintenance of erection by stimulating the production of intracellular cGMP in the smooth muscle cells surrounding the blood vessels supplying the corpus cavernosum; through relaxation of these muscles, more blood can flow in. This is the biological basis of sildenafil (Viagra), which works to inhibit the enzyme PDE5 that lowers the cGMP concentration by converting it to GMP. The high levels of cGMP that result lead to vasodilation and hence erection

    Side effects that you should report to your prescriber or health care professional as soon as possible:
    •blood in the urine
    •high blood sugar
    •increased difficulty breathing
    •infection
    •low blood pressure
    •skin infection
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    Personally I would not take anything that icreased the possibility of blood in my urine, not to mention im quite partial to breathing..

    I would advise seeing your health care representative or doctor before making a final choice
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