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    Lightbulb Radiator Comparison thread



    Spreadsheet & Links



    Spreadsheet

    Download -> V6 rads.xls

    V5 improved spreadsheet interface courtesy of mrgettmann




    Manufacturer Sites


    Aquacomputer www.aqua-computer.de

    EKWB www.ekwaterblocks.com

    HWLabs (Black Ice)
    www.hwlabs.com


    Koolance www.koolance.com

    Magicool www.magicool.biz

    Swiftech www.swiftnets.com

    The Feser Company (TFC) www.feser-one.com

    ThermoChill www.thermo-chill.com

    XSPC www.xspc.biz






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    1x120mm Radiators Listing


    Black Ice GT Stealth 120
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting M4
    Dimensions 157x133x29.6
    Fan spacing NA
    Connection G1/4
    Factor Slim
    Design
    Construction
    Material Brass/Copper
    FPI
    Additional
    Finish


    Black Ice GT Xtreme 120
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting M4
    Dimensions 155x120x57
    Fan spacing NA
    Connection G1/4
    Factor Standard
    Design
    Construction 2 Pass 2 Row
    Material Brass/Copper
    FPI 20
    Additional
    Finish


    Swiftech MCR120-QP
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting M3
    Dimensions 158x128x34
    Fan spacing NA
    Connection G3/8
    Factor Slim
    Design
    Construction
    Material Brass/Copper
    FPI 8
    Additional
    Finish
    Diagram Link


    Swiftech MCR120-QP-B
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting
    Dimensions 158x128x34
    Fan spacing NA
    Connection G1/4
    Factor Slim
    Design
    Construction
    Material Brass/Copper
    FPI
    Additional
    Finish


    ThermoChill PA120.1
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting
    Dimensions 174x128x61
    Fan spacing NA
    Connection G3/8
    Factor Standard
    Design
    Construction
    Material Brass/Copper
    FPI
    Additional
    Finish


    XSPC RS120
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting M4
    Dimensions 155x121x35
    Fan spacing NA
    Connection G1/4
    Factor Slim
    Design
    Construction 1 Pass 1 Row
    Material Copper
    FPI
    Additional
    Finish


    XSPC RX120
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting M4
    Dimensions 162x125x58.5
    Fan spacing NA
    Connection G1/4
    Factor Standard
    Design
    Construction 1 Pass 3 Row
    Material Copper
    FPI 8
    Additional
    Finish

    2x120mm Radiators listing

    Black Ice GT Stealth 240Lite
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting M4
    Dimensions 275x120x29.6
    Fan spacing
    Connection G1/4
    Factor Slim
    Design
    Construction
    Material Brass/Copper
    FPI
    Additional
    Finish

    Black Ice GT Stealth 240
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting M4
    Dimensions
    Fan spacing
    Connection G1/4
    Factor Standard
    Design
    Construction
    Material Brass/Copper
    FPI 30
    Additional
    Finish

    Black Ice GT Stealth 240X-Flow
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting M4
    Dimensions 280x120x32
    Fan spacing
    Connection G1/4
    Factor Slim
    Design
    Construction
    Material Brass/Copper
    FPI
    Additional
    Finish

    Black Ice GT Stealth 240Xtreme
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting M4
    Dimensions
    Fan spacing
    ConnectionG1/4
    Factor
    Design
    Construction
    Material Brass/Copper
    FPI 20
    Additional
    Finish

    Black Ice GT Stealth 280Xtreme
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting M4
    Dimensions 316x153x55.7
    Fan spacing 15mm
    Connection G1/4
    Factor Standard
    Design
    Construction
    Material Brass/Copper
    FPI
    Additional
    Finish

    Swiftech MCR220-QP
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting M3
    Dimensions 284x128x34
    Fan spacing
    Connection G1/4
    Factor Slim
    Design
    Construction
    Material
    FPI
    Additional
    Finish
    Diagram Link


    ThermoChill PA120.2
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting
    Dimensions 284x129x69
    Fan spacing 15mm Standard
    Connection G3/8
    Factor Standard
    Design
    Construction
    Material Brass/Copper
    FPI
    Additional
    Finish

    XSPC RS240
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting M4
    Dimensions 277x121x35
    Fan spacing
    Connection G1/4
    Factor Slim
    Design
    Construction 1 Pass 1 Row
    Material Brass Body Copper Fins
    FPI
    Additional
    Finish

    XSPC RX240
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting
    Dimensions 286x125x58
    Fan spacing
    Connection G1/4
    Factor Standard
    Design
    Construction 3 Pass 1 Row
    Material Copper
    FPI 8
    Additional
    Finish

    3x120mm Radiators listing


    Swiftech MCR320-QP
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting M3.5 threaded fan and case-mounting holes
    Dimensions Slim form factor 16 x 5 x 1.3" (410 x 128 x 34mm)
    Fan spacing fan hole space 15mm
    Connection 1/4" BSPP / G1/4" threaded barb ports
    Factor Slim
    Design
    Construction 2-pass, single row construction
    Material Brass body and tubes, louvered copper fins
    FPI 8
    Additional
    Finish High-durability acrylic paint finish
    ROHS compliant
    Patent-pending self-purging brass plenum chamber
    Optimized fin-density for maximum heat dissipation at low noise
    Diagram Link


    ThermoChill PA120.3
    Dimensions & fittings
    Case mounting 6-32 fan screw and case mounting holes (un-tapped)
    Dimensions (LxWxH): 397 x 127 x 62mm
    Fan spacing 15mm Fan spacing
    Connection 3/8" BSPP (G3/8) Barb Ports
    Factor Standard
    Design
    Construction 2-pass, double row construction
    Material Brass Tanks, brass Tubes and Copper Fins
    FPI 5
    Additional
    Finish Matt Black


    TFC X-Changer 360
    Dimensions & fittings
    Case mounting M3 tapped screw holes
    Dimensions 411x123x62mm (LxWxH)
    Fan spacing 17mm Fan spacing, 15mm Fan spacing
    Connection G1/4 Barb ports
    Factor Standard
    Design
    Construction 2 row 2-pass design
    Material Copper fins, brass end tanks
    FPI 12 Fins Per Inch (FPI)
    Additional
    Finish Black Finish (5Ám)


    XSPC RX 360
    Dimensions & fittings
    Case mounting M4 tapped screw holes
    Dimensions 125x58.5x410mm (WxDxH)
    Fan spacing fan spacing 15mm
    Connection G1/4 Barb ports
    Factor standard
    Design
    Construction 3 row 2-pass design
    Material Copper Tubes and Copper fins
    FPI 8 Fins Per Inch (FPI)
    Additional
    Finish Black Gloss Finish


    HWLabs GTX360
    Dimensions & fittings
    Case mounting M4 tapped screw holes
    Dimensions 397x133x55.7mm (LxWxH)
    Fan spacing fan hole space 15mm
    Connection 1/4" BSPP / G1/4" threaded barb ports
    Factor Standard
    Design
    Construction 2 row 4-pass design
    Material Copper Tubes and Copper fins
    FPI 20 Fins Per Inch (FPI)
    Additional
    Finish Black High Gloss Finish


    HWLabs SR1-360
    Dimensions & fittings
    Case mounting M4 tapped mounting holes
    Dimensions 397x133x55.7mm (LxWxH)
    Fan spacing fan hole space 15mm
    Connection G1/4 Barb ports
    Factor Standard
    Design
    Construction Two row, Two-pass u-flow configuration
    Material Copper fins, brass end tanks
    FPI 9 Fins Per Inch (FPI)
    Additional
    Finish Carbon Black Finish


    XSPC RS360 BLACK
    Dimensions & fittings
    Case mounting
    Dimensions Dimensions: 121x35x397mm (WxDxH)
    Fan spacing
    Connection G1/4" Ports
    Factor Slim
    Design
    Construction 1 Row 11 Tubes
    Material 19mm Flat tubes for reduced flow resistance
    FPI Sub 8fpi (fins per inch)
    Additional
    Finish Black Gloss Finish


    XSPC R120-T
    Dimensions & fittings
    Case mounting
    Dimensions 420x139x45mm
    Fan spacing
    Connection 1/4" Thread
    Factor Standard
    Design
    Construction 2 rows of 12 tubes
    Material Copper and Brass construction
    FPI
    Additional
    Finish Chromed shroud for 3x 120mm fans


    Black Ice GT Stealth 360 Lite Radiator
    Dimensions & fittings
    Case mounting M4 threads
    Dimensions (L x W x H): 397 x 120 x 29.6mm
    Fan spacing
    Connection G1/4" Thread
    Factor Slim
    Design
    Construction
    Material Soldered copper fins, brass casing and chambers
    FPI
    Additional
    Finish


    Black Ice GT Xtreme 360 Lite Radiator
    Dimensions & fittings
    Case mounting M4 threads
    Dimensions (L x W x H): 397 x 120 x 55,7mm
    Fan spacing
    Connection G1/4" Thread
    Factor Standard
    Design
    Construction
    Material Soldered copper fins, brass casing and chambers
    FPI
    Additional
    Finish

    4x120mm Radiators listing


    XSPC RX480
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting
    Dimensions
    Fan spacing
    Connection 1/4" BSPP / G1/4" threaded barb ports
    Factor Standard
    Design
    Construction 3 row construction
    Material copper
    FPI 8
    Additional
    Finish


    Black Ice SR-1 480
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting M4
    Dimensions 517x133x54
    Fan spacing 15
    Connection G1/4"
    Factor Standard
    Design
    Construction 2 Pass
    Material Brass/copper
    FPI 9
    Additional
    Finish


    ThermoChill PA120.4
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting
    Dimensions 129 x 524 x 60mm
    Fan spacing 15mm
    Connection Fitting Thread: 3/8" BSPP or G3/8
    Factor Standard
    Design
    Construction
    Material Brass Tanks & Tubes, Cu Fins
    FPI
    Additional
    Finish Matt Black
    Optimised for fans upto 130cfm


    4x140mm Radiators listing


    Black Ice GT Xtreme560
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting M4
    Dimensions (L x W x H): 610 x 153 x 48mmmm
    Fan spacing
    Connection threads: 2x G 1/4"
    Factor Standard
    Design
    Construction
    Material Soldered copper fins, brass casing and chambers
    FPI
    Additional


    Black Ice GT Stealth 420
    Dimensions & fittings
    mounting M4
    Dimensions 460x153x29.6
    Fan spacing
    Connection G1/4
    Factor
    Design
    Construction 2 Pass
    Material Brass/copper
    FPI 30
    Additional
    Finish
    140mm fans





    note: due to time and limited info this list is not complete











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    Know anything missing or a new entry please copy and paste the blank list below




    Make -
    Model -
    Mounting -
    Width -
    Depth -
    Height -
    Fan spacing -
    Connection -
    Pass -
    Row -
    Body -
    Fins -
    FPI -
    Fan size -
    RPM -
    CFM -



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    Fin Count Update


    To match figures for fin count Swiftech and Thermochill`s counts have been doubled as apparent differences have been brought to my attention within the spreadsheet by our trusted water guru Spawn-Inc.


    most third party "fin counters" and companies interpret the fins to be counted as shown in the diagram. b1 & b2 equals 2 fins count.




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    im not gonna hold my breath for an end to world poverty & conflict... but at least now were all clear on how to count fins?




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    Nice idea; this would definitely be good to have in chart/spreadsheet form. It would also be good for a front page piece; may as well get the info out there as well! Let me know if that interests you when you're done.

    Anyway, if you feel ambitious, I know some manufacturers post charts. Here is the one for the MCR-320. You could link to them after their listings so people get a visual of the proportions to go with the dimension measurements.

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    I will try to get as much compiled as we can find usefull to stick in there but sometime down the line my own focus may be forced to move away to other things.

    But for now were good to go

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    As far as i know new ThermoChill PA120.3 have now little different dimensions (LxWxH): 397 x 127 x 62mm and spacing 15mm.

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    yep theres two versions still available here in the uk but only one listed as current at there site so I will update to the modern dimensions and spacing.

    cheers xrodney

    Edit: updated

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    I just link folks to Skinnes web page. Besides size etc, the thermal testing info gets people to open thier eyes to the inner workings of watercooling.

    Thanks tho Bobby, putting this in a table format would be much easier to compare, especially for sizes. Once it's all done hopefully this can be put in the WC FAQ/stickies.
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    carnt deny ive been to skinnies on my travels today all respect to the guy

    A one stop spreadsheet source to all rads is another vision

    once top side of it. updates should be steady work.

    so anyone out there with the ability to drop a ruler on a rad we dont know the FPI and fan spacing for will help the cause

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    To make this easy and less confusing, we should stick to the major players out there, and only the newer models. For example, the XSPC RS rads are easily outperformed by the RX series. So why mention the older rad which can cause confusion. Like the black ice stealth series and others.
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    FYI, EK rads were just released. Skinnee has one for review now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conumdrum View Post
    To make this easy and less confusing, we should stick to the major players out there, and only the newer models. For example, the XSPC RS rads are easily outperformed by the RX series. So why mention the older rad which can cause confusion. Like the black ice stealth series and others.
    well I remain fluid with the idea.

    next batch we will confirm which models then source the info.

    rough XLS template linked at the top... only one entry, im hungry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conumdrum View Post
    To make this easy and less confusing, we should stick to the major players out there, and only the newer models. For example, the XSPC RS rads are easily outperformed by the RX series. So why mention the older rad which can cause confusion. Like the black ice stealth series and others.
    Because they are still used? The whole idea of a database is to include most available information.

    Radiator performance, relative to density, varies by such a marginal amount.

    Edit: I believe they may also support a nitch market where thin is needed for mounting issues.
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    more I got to thinking in the background the more I have to agree there schmide

    here in the uk older models are still available hence my confusion... sure other poor uk folk also have fun figuring out what the lead market has left behind.

    anyhow the spreadsheet of first draft variety has been completed (as far as current info goes) and linked at the top of the thread.

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    nicely done. should be plenty helpful even as it is right now.

    for the quad rads the black ice 560 uses 140mm fans, not 120mm as listed.
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    Pretty darn nice Bobby, will help for figuring out what case will allow xx to fit.
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    Super cool. Adding a cooling area column then sorting by it provides their relative cooling ability. Maybe put in a fan count so that can be taken into consideration. (i.e. a thin 120.3 may outperform a thick 120.2)

    Edit: or one could just weight the width and height higher than the depth. (some fudge factor) Never mind.

    Of course density is the wrong word. Cooling area is the right term. Doh.

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    @spawn - noted will change the 560

    @conum - yep fitting and offset was my original need

    @Schmid - top suggestion for some kind of ability ordering we should do that

    any usefull info that can be sourced about these rads can be added obviously.
    anyhow its starting to build up quite nice.

    (best sort that 560 out then and maybe carry on sorting the order of the listing out)


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    Some rads have a bit of a plenum area on one side for less dead spots. Like the new EK rad. Makes a diff when mounting fans in push or pull etc. But not a huge deal at all.

    Maybe a colume for what basic fan speeds work best. That would help the noobs a lot.
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