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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    Dont get me wrong, i said it was a cheat on HWbot, not in the review. My stuff was wholely directed to HWbot. My view is, if they just wanna win the race then why not just to delete all dll which does affect settings, or what else. Its simply not honest to provide benches using tweaked settings which does give a advantage over another GPU by software. Finally its very hard for users to see the truth behind those data and it will render itself useless. If he didnt tell me, i would still have no clue that they actually tweak software related stuff.

    I never ever was expressing in any known or unknown way that any of the reviews posted on Overclockers was "unclean". Just to get that right.

    Now finish with.
    You are not familiar with HWBot. HWBot is an overclocking competition platform that defines a set of rules for everyone in the public to participate by - everyone competing in their rankings has the ability to use the same tweaks, if they are knowledgeable of them. They allow almost any tweak possible in their rankings, except those specifically disallowed in the rules. Everyone there taking part, mostly, understands the rules and interprets their rankings as is appropriate. Keep in mind if tweaking is not allowed, then there is no reason to compete - if everyone runs at default settings, everyone would get pretty much the same score. The knowledge of how to get the best scores on a given benchmark is ultimately what separates the average from the greats.

    It is their site, they make the rules, everyone who takes part plays by them. It isn't a cheat if they say it is allowed - they allow almost anything, so long as the benchmark software itself is not modified.

    Keep in mind, different cards have different capabilities. Drivers have different defaults. In reviews, things are commonly ran at default, or well-informed settings that make the comparison "fair" or as "accurate" as possible. On a site like hwbot, people spend tons of money on hardware and LN2 and exotic voltmods to get the best scores possible - it is more "anything goes" to get "the highest score possible" sort of thing there.

    In the end, when a person builds a site and creates an audience, that person gets to make the rules and people will choose if it makes sense to play within those rules. A lot of people think it makes sense to play by hwbot rules. People can disagree with their rules, and they can not take part - they could even call their rules cheating, but that isn't really fair to them to call it cheating.

    By the way, I don't intend to argue with you and can respect your perspective. I'm just sharing my perspective on behalf of the site. Sorry to distract further from the 7970 and its performance - this isn't really a thread about hwbot.
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    A test with Folding@home and Radeon 7970 ? possible ?

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    Yes indeed. I was busy torturing it over the holiday but I'll give that a try this week!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiealumnus View Post
    Yes indeed. I was busy torturing it over the holiday but I'll give that a try this week!
    Thank you for your favorable answer, I look forward to the results.

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    I thought v.7 was for nvidia only...is that a new beta?

    EDIT - Downloading now. We'll see!

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    hokie....u lucky......Congrats on a stellar review temp record and all the hard and dedicated work you have done to cover this card.......Im getting my hands on one of these babies within the next 48hrs anybody got a water block for these??? I have a spare loop setup Id luv to toss one under...ideal? I checked the usual suspects no luck yet.....frzcpu....sw...jab...dazm....if you know of a preorder or anything pm pliz
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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiealumnus View Post
    I thought v.7 was for nvidia only...is that a new beta?

    EDIT - Downloading now. We'll see!

    EDIT II - Didn't work, post here.
    For Radeon 7970, it is necessary to download folding in the beta private 7.1.42

    https://fah-web.stanford.edu/project...ent/ticket/778

    It is necessary to join here - >

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    Yea, I'm not eligible unfortunately.
    The best candidates are those who have been folding for a while and have experience with this forum, F@h clients, FahCores, WUs, Servers, etc. Thus we will check your user history. Those who participate regularly in this forum either by asking questions or helping others tend to get priority over those who rarely post, simply because it shows your willingness to be an active member within the F@h Community. If you just joined this forum and/or have very few posts, your request post should distinguish you as to why you would be a good addition to the Beta Team. Please note that if you don't plan to stick with it, we would prefer that you do not join. If this is your first visit to our forum, you are not eligible for membership to the Beta Team.
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    I can't seem to find a solid answer, but am I correct in thinking all initial launch 7970 are based on the reference design? I plan on water cooling a pair so I just want to make sure before picking them up on monday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skoreanime View Post
    I can't seem to find a solid answer, but am I correct in thinking all initial launch 7970 are based on the reference design? I plan on water cooling a pair so I just want to make sure before picking them up on monday.
    Most likely, yes. Just look for the AMD logo screen printed on the PCB at the PCIe x16 connector.
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    I gotta say Hoki, seemed a little like you wanted to bully Nvidia on this review




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    I'm sorry it seemed that way. NVIDIA had the king of the kill for a long time. AMD took that crown back with gusto, that's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiealumnus View Post
    I'm sorry it seemed that way. NVIDIA had the king of the kill for a long time. AMD took that crown back with gusto, that's all.
    Hah, I loved the review and I'm glad amd is at least on top of something for once again.

    Just noticed you pouring it on in good fashion lol.

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