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    http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...digital-piracy

    I think anything is better than what we have now. We need something to protect us because if we do not see it how do we know? The feds could run rampant because at the moment they make the rules up as they go along it seems.

    I.M.O.G. if people were surfing warez links in a PM how would you know? Would it not be nice to get a letter and have a chance to fix it before the FBI banner is hung over Overclockers?
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    Don't think iNet would, wouldn't all the DNS servers simply be told to stop resolving overclockers.com into it's IP address?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobnova View Post
    Don't think iNet would, wouldn't all the DNS servers simply be told to stop resolving overclockers.com into it's IP address?
    There are levels and iNET would be given a chance to come into compliance. Or at least make every effort to comply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archer0915 View Post
    There are levels and iNET would be given a chance to come into compliance. Or at least make every effort to comply.
    And we'd be screwed if we thought the claim was bullcrap and refused to comply. Within 5 days, our site would be taken off line by DNS from that chunk of the law I read.

    Currently, with DMCA requests if we disagree we simply reply and tell them we see things differently, and apologize that we can't comply with their wishes. If they don't like that, they can sue us, then we'll comply with a legal order from the court system. This is nice for site operators, not so nice for those with copyright complaints - they have to deal with the legal system to force a company like ours to take action, which is a pain. However, I think it is a valid protection for those operating businesses.

    If I understand SOPA/PIPA, it sounds like our site would be offline until we file a legal order to contest the accusation and get our DNS entries reinstated.


    Quote Originally Posted by Archer0915 View Post
    I.M.O.G. if people were surfing warez links in a PM how would you know? Would it not be nice to get a letter and have a chance to fix it before the FBI banner is hung over Overclockers?
    PM's are entirely private, no one would know unless one of the parties reported it or were the police themselves. If there were an offense going on like that, we would receive DMCA notice and we'd comply as its against the terms of use on the site - a portion of the rules we actively enforce as most long term members have observed in the open forums. Problem solved, no threat to the existence of the site.

    EDIT: Disclaimer - I don't completely understand the new laws, but I worry about how they would be enforced, and it doesn't stand to help our site, only potentially threaten it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I.M.O.G. View Post
    If I understand SOPA/PIPA, it sounds like our site would be offline until we file a legal order to contest the accusation and get our DNS entries reinstated.
    Point well made. Lose ground being shut down while proving your point to be valid.

    Well that is one legitimate strike against this I suppose.

    So they can not shut us down now with what is already on the books if you refuse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by I.M.O.G. View Post
    EDIT: Disclaimer - I don't completely understand the new laws, but I worry about how they would be enforced, and it doesn't stand to help our site, only potentially threaten it.
    I think we are all concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archer0915 View Post
    Point well made. Lose ground being shut down while proving your point to be valid.

    Well that is one legitimate strike against this I suppose.

    So they can not shut us down now with what is already on the books if you refuse?
    They can shut us down, but the current system provides reasonable security for us. They have to send us a DMCA request, we have a couple weeks to respond, and if our response is not satisfactory to them, they have to go through the legal system to get a court order requiring us to take action.

    Usually this involves people saying "person XYZ said ABC about us, and we believe that to be innaccurate and want it removed from your site." Typically our response is "We cannot determine the accuracy of such claims, and as our site is a publicly accessible resource, the claims are the responsibility of the individuals who made them." That's heavily paraphrased, and our response is typically slightly more professional - but thats essentially what it says. Then we don't usually hear anything further, but they could sue us at that point if they believe firmly enough that they have legal standing. Usually I don't think they do, but are hopeful sending DMCA will be enough to scare us into action - for many sites, it is enough. If they do seek legal recourse and the claims are libelous or slanderous which they want removed, the original authors could get in serious legal trouble, and we'd get a legal order to remove or amend the statements on our site - which we'd comply with unless we contested the claims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I.M.O.G. View Post
    They can shut us down, but the current system provides reasonable security for us. They have to send us a DMCA request, we have a couple weeks to respond, and if our response is not satisfactory to them, they have to go through the legal system to get a court order requiring us to take action.

    Usually this involves people saying "person XYZ said ABC about us, and we believe that to be innaccurate and want it removed from your site." Typically our response is "We cannot determine the accuracy of such claims, and as our site is a publicly accessible resource, the claims are the responsibility of the individuals who made them." That's heavily paraphrased, and our response is typically slightly more professional - but thats essentially what it says. Then we don't usually hear anything further, but they could sue us at that point if they believe firmly enough that they have legal standing. Usually I don't think they do, but are hopeful sending DMCA will be enough to scare us into action - for many sites, it is enough. If they do seek legal recourse and the claims are libelous or slanderous which they want removed, the original authors could get in serious legal trouble, and we'd get a legal order to remove or amend the statements on our site - which we'd comply with unless we contested the claims.
    Well perhaps they need to rip out some componrnts and clean this up a tad. Something like this is going to pass it is just a matter of when.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archer0915 View Post
    Well perhaps they need to rip out some componrnts and clean this up a tad. Something like this is going to pass it is just a matter of when.
    Not if we continue to stand up to them. From all the stories I read, they got the message. Their email servers crashed from the traffic and their phones couldn't handle all the calls. They may be tone deaf but even they can hear all that. I know mine did. Mine even called and said we get the message. Guess he got tired of all the signed petitions, emails and calls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalek2.0 View Post
    Not if we continue to stand up to them. From all the stories I read, they got the message. Their email servers crashed from the traffic and their phones couldn't handle all the calls. They may be tone deaf but even they can hear all that. I know mine did. Mine even called and said we get the message. Guess he got tired of all the signed petitions, emails and calls.

    Something will pass. There are jobs at stake and there are more and more pissed off companies out there. I honestly think anyone who has issue with this that does not have a stake in it (A real one not just their opinion) really has no idea what it does. Do you know much about the dupporters of this who are trying to sell their products against knock off sold over the web? This is about more than most understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archer0915 View Post
    Something will pass. There are jobs at stake and there are more and more pissed off companies out there. I honestly think anyone who has issue with this that does not have a stake in it (A real one not just their opinion) really has no idea what it does. Do you know much about the dupporters of this who are trying to sell their products against knock off sold over the web? This is about more than most understand.
    Yep it is. Thing is, this is more about freedom of speech than someone downloading a mp3.

    I might also add, most hollywood types live and vote in California. That means the voters in the other 49 states can say no if they want to pass something that goes way to far. This was one of those cases.

    All these people already have a way to stop people from getting their stuff. Why not just use what they already have? Oh, bad press. People stopped buying their products in protest, like I did. I haven't bought a CD in years. Why? RIAA going after people, some of which did nothing. I still remember them going after a Grandma and it turned out to be the wrong person. That was before this thing they just wanted. It would be even worse with the new bills.

    I think they have enough power already. Just use it. If we keep sitting by and leting them do what they want, they will have badges and arrest powers next. Maybe even their own prisons to boot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalek2.0 View Post
    Yep it is. Thing is, this is more about freedom of speech than someone downloading a mp3.

    I might also add, most hollywood types live and vote in California. That means the voters in the other 49 states can say no if they want to pass something that goes way to far. This was one of those cases.

    All these people already have a way to stop people from getting their stuff. Why not just use what they already have? Oh, bad press. People stopped buying their products in protest, like I did. I haven't bought a CD in years. Why? RIAA going after people, some of which did nothing. I still remember them going after a Grandma and it turned out to be the wrong person. That was before this thing they just wanted. It would be even worse with the new bills.

    I think they have enough power already. Just use it. If we keep sitting by and leting them do what they want, they will have badges and arrest powers next. Maybe even their own prisons to boot.

    Would you have issue if they dropped the music and video from the bill?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archer0915 View Post
    Would you have issue if they dropped the music and video from the bill?
    Then what point is the law? They already have laws to deal with this. They asked for the old laws but they got really bad press when they used it. Now they want to be able to do it quietly without going through the legal system. Then the press has very little or maybe even nothing to report other than a site is gone.

    Would you want them to be able to come arrest you and take you to jail, take your house then a year or two later give you a small chance to prove you didn't even do anything? That would be after they seized your computer and did who knows what to it.

    They already put their videos on youtube. Then they complain when someone watches it. Just go to youtube, search for "official" and your favorite artist. I'd be very suprised if you didn't get quite a few hits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalek2.0 View Post
    Then what point is the law? They already have laws to deal with this. They asked for the old laws but they got really bad press when they used it. Now they want to be able to do it quietly without going through the legal system. Then the press has very little or maybe even nothing to report other than a site is gone.

    Would you want them to be able to come arrest you and take you to jail, take your house then a year or two later give you a small chance to prove you didn't even do anything? That would be after they seized your computer and did who knows what to it.

    They already put their videos on youtube. Then they complain when someone watches it. Just go to youtube, search for "official" and your favorite artist. I'd be very suprised if you didn't get quite a few hits.

    I have tried and tried to explain this patent infringement as well!

    Look at this list and run through the names. Look at the patents and trade marks.

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    Blue Sky Studios, Inc.
    Bose Corporation
    Braasch Biotech LLC
    Brian Stevenson Photography
    Brigid Collins Family Support Center
    Broadcast Music, Inc. (BMI)
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    Cengage Learning
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    CFA Institute
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    Church Music Publishers Association
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    Comcast Corporation
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    Commercial Photographers International
    Comprehensive Adult Student Assessment System
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    Electronic Arts, Inc.
    Electronic Components Industry Association (ECIA)
    Eli Lilly and Company
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    Eric Meola Studio Inc
    Evidence Photographers International Council
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    FAME Publishing Co., LLC.
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    Far Bank Enterprises
    Fashion Business Incorporated
    Federation of State Boards of Physical Therapy
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    Footwear Distributors & Retailers of America (FDRA)
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    Fortune Brands, Inc.
    Fred J. Lord Photography
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    GlaxoSmithKline
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    Governors America Corp.
    Graphic Artists Guild
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    Greg Nikas Photography
    Guru Denim
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    Harley-Davidson Motor Company
    HarperCollins Publishers
    Harry Fox Agency
    Hastings Entertainment, Inc.
    ICM Distributing Company, Inc.
    IDS Publishing
    IEC Electronics corp.
    Images Plus
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    Independent Distributors of Electronics Association (IDEA)
    INgrooves
    Innate-gear
    International AntiCounterfeiting Coalition (IACC)
    International Trademark Association (INTA)
    IPC-Association Connecting Electronics Industries
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    James Drug Inc.
    Jaynes Gallery
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    Jean Poland Photography
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    Johnson & Johnson
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    Killing Jar Productions LLC
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    L’Oréal USA
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    Marmot
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    Merck & Co., Inc.
    Messy Face Designs, Inc.
    Michael Stern Photography
    MicroRam Electronics, Inc.
    Minter Works of Art
    Mira Images
    Monster Cable Products, Inc.
    Moose’s Photos
    Morningstar Films LLC
    Motion Picture Association of America, Inc. (MPAA)
    MotionMasters
    Motor & Equipment Manufacturers Association
    MPA – The Association of Magazine Media
    Mr. Theodor Feibel (sole proprietor)
    Music Managers Forum-U.S.
    Nashville Songwriters Association International
    Natalie Neckyfarow Actor/Dancer/Singer
    National Association of Broadcasters
    National Association of Manufacturers
    National Association of Recording Merchandisers (NARM)
    National Association of Theatre Owners (NATO)
    National Basketball Association (NBA)
    National Board for Certified Counselors
    National Board for Certified Counselors Foundation
    National Electrical Manufacturers Association (NEMA)
    National Football League (NFL)
    National Music Publishers’ Association (NMPA)
    National Retail Federation (NRF)
    NBCUniversal
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    New Balance Athletic Shoe, Inc.
    New Era Cap Co Inc
    New Levels Ent. Co. LLC
    News Corporation
    Next Decade Entertainment, Inc.
    NHL Enterprises, L.P.
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    Nike, Inc.
    Nintendo of America Inc.
    Nissle Fine Art Photography
    North Dakota Pharmacists Association
    North Dakota Pharmacy Service Corporation
    Oakley, Inc.
    One Voice Recordings
    OpSec Security, Inc.
    Outdoor Industry Association
    Outdoor Power Equipment Institute (OPEI)
    Outdoor Research, Inc
    Pacific Component Xchange, Inc.
    Party Killer Films LLC
    Pearson Clinical Assessment
    Peavey Electronics Corporation
    Perry Ellis International
    Personal Care Products Council
    Peter C. Brandt, Architectural and Fine Art Photography
    Peter Hawkins Photography, Inc.
    Petzl America
    Pfizer Inc.
    PGA of America
    Philip Morris International
    Photojournalist Dave Bartruff
    Picture Archive Council of America (PACA)
    Pigfactory Music
    PING
    PNW Images
    Premier League
    Production Music Association (PMA)
    Professional Photographers of America
    Quality Float Works, Inc.
    Raging Waters Music
    Ralph Lauren Corporation
    Ramsay Corporation
    Rebel Photo
    Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA)
    Red4 Music/Doogs Rock Inc
    Reebok International Ltd.
    Reed Elsevier Inc.
    Retail Industry Leaders Association (RILA)
    Revlon
    Richard Flutie Photography
    Rite Aid
    Robin Davis Photography, Inc.
    Rodger Scott Craig, a member of Liverpool Express, The Merseybeats, Fortune, Harlan
    Cage, 101 South, and Mtunz Media
    Roger Smith Photography Services
    Rolex Watch USA Inc.
    Romance Writers of America (RWA)
    Rosetta Stone Inc.
    Saddle Creek
    Sage Studios LLC
    Sam D’Amico Photography
    Schneider Electric
    Sean McGinty Photography
    Secret Sea Visions (Photography)
    SESAC, Inc.
    SG Industries, Inc.
    Shure Incorporated
    SIGMA Assessment Systems
    Six Degrees Records
    Small Business & Entrepreneurship Council
    SMC Entertainment
    SMT Corp.
    SoBe Entertainment
    Society of Sport & Event Photographers
    Software & Information Industry Association (SIIA)
    Sony Electronics Inc.
    Sony Music Entertainment
    Sony Pictures Entertainment
    Soul Appeal Records and Music
    SoundExchange
    Southern Gothic LLC
    Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA)
    SPI (The Plastics Industry Trade Association)
    Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association
    Sports Rights Owners Coalition
    Spring Fever Productions LLC
    Spyder Active Sports, Inc
    Stenbakken Photography
    Stephen Dantzig Photography
    Stock Artist Alliance
    Stuart Weitzman Holdings, LLC
    Student Photographic Society
    Studio 404
    SunRise Solar Inc.
    Taylor Glenn Photographs
    Taylor Made Golf Company, Inc.
    Tednologies, Inc.
    The Cambridge Don
    The Collegiate Licensing Company/IMG College
    The Donath Group, Inc.
    The Dow Chemical Company
    The Estee Lauder Companies
    The McGraw-Hill Companies
    The Music People! Inc.
    The National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA)
    The Recording Academy (National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences)
    The Timberland Company
    The Walt Disney Company
    Tiffany & Co.
    Time Warner Inc.
    Tony Bullard Photography
    Toshiba America Business Solutions, Inc.
    TRA Global
    Tricoast Worldwide
    Trio Productions, Inc. / Songscape Music,
    Twist & Shout, Inc.
    U.S. Chamber of Commerce
    Ultimate Fighting Championship
    Underwriters Laboratories Inc.
    Universal Music Group
    Uniweld Products Inc.
    VF Corporation
    Viacom
    Vibram USA, Inc
    Virtual Chip Exchange USA, Inc.
    Voltage Pictures, LLC
    W.R. Case & Sons Cutlery Co.
    Walcott Studio, LLC
    Wal-Mart
    Warner Music Group
    Wendy Kaveney Photography
    Western Psychological Services
    Westmorland Images, LLC
    Wild & Associates, Inc.
    Wild Eye Photos LLC
    William Sutton Photography
    Willis Music
    WindLegends Ink LLC
    Winestem Company
    Winslow Research Institute
    Wolfe Video
    Wolverine World Wide, Inc.
    Woolrich, Inc.
    World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc.
    Xerox Corporation
    Zippo Manufacturing Company
    Zumba Fitness, LLC

    That is where I am going. It ain't just about movies and music.

    (Some very bad words) when is it going to be clear it is not just music behind this bill.

    Why Ford? Why Zippo? Why Rite Aid? Why Oakley, Inc.?

    How else can it be made clear? There is much more than just the Big Record companies here.

    http://www.uspto.gov/news/speeches/2011/kappos_gw.jsp
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    So then what exactly is this bill trying to protect? What are the goals that it hopes to accomplish? Is it just trying to stop us americans from buying from these illegal sites? If so, why not just list them on a website and we all agree to not buy from them because we'd be hurting our own country. I don't agree with this bill based on how it wants to enforce it's policies but that doesn't mean I disagree with what it's designed for.

    I don't see why this can't be handled without censoring my intraweb.
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    Meathead, because informing the public doesn't work. Too short of an attention span and too apathetic. Something may be needed to enable these companies to better protect their IP, but informing the public wont have broad enough impact and this bill seems too broad and unspecific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archer0915 View Post
    I have tried and tried to explain this patent infringement as well!

    Look at this list and run through the names. Look at the patents and trade marks.

    Companies Supporting SOPA:

    << SNIP ONE LONG LIST >>>

    That is where I am going. It ain't just about movies and music.

    (Some very bad words) when is it going to be clear it is not just music behind this bill.

    Why Ford? Why Zippo? Why Rite Aid? Why Oakley, Inc.?

    How else can it be made clear? There is much more than just the Big Record companies here.

    http://www.uspto.gov/news/speeches/2011/kappos_gw.jsp
    Why are these supporting this?

    National Board for Certified Counselors
    National Board for Certified Counselors Foundation
    American Mental Health Counselors Association

    Are people losing their minds or something?

    I'm just tired of the companies thinking they can run over the people. Yea, people shouldn't take companies stuff but companies shouldn't be able to run over people either. They already have more than enough laws to deal with this. Use them or maybe come up with a better plan for the business.

    Oh, even if this law passes, all you have to do is type in the IP address directly. If a person uses Seamonkey, Firefox or a few other browsers, you can use keywords to type in the name of the site and they will go to the site without knowing the IP. Just bookmark the IP address instead of the name. The browser remembers the IP address but you can type in the name as a keyword. This alone renders the law null and void.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalek2.0 View Post
    Why are these supporting this?

    National Board for Certified Counselors
    National Board for Certified Counselors Foundation
    American Mental Health Counselors Association

    Are people losing their minds or something?

    I'm just tired of the companies thinking they can run over the people. Yea, people shouldn't take companies stuff but companies shouldn't be able to run over people either. They already have more than enough laws to deal with this. Use them or maybe come up with a better plan for the business.

    Oh, even if this law passes, all you have to do is type in the IP address directly. If a person uses Seamonkey, Firefox or a few other browsers, you can use keywords to type in the name of the site and they will go to the site without knowing the IP. Just bookmark the IP address instead of the name. The browser remembers the IP address but you can type in the name as a keyword. This alone renders the law null and void.

    Many of the people on those boards hold Doctorates that they worked very hard for amd Doctors dubmit papres to these things. Many work for institutions that require them to research. There is a bunch of money going into this stuff and then to have it freely spread over the web or "SOLD" is where the issue lies.

    EDIT: Thinking about this I do still support thre premise of SOPA but I think a federal blocked site list would work better. The sad thing is it only works in the US.

    The FCC can figure out who is going direct by bothering the providers with it. Hey try can get daily reports at the FCC and micromanage the media theft. Because it is really not worth it they can get the media companies to pay a special tax to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archer0915 View Post
    Many of the people on those boards hold Doctorates that they worked very hard for amd Doctors dubmit papres to these things. Many work for institutions that require them to research. There is a bunch of money going into this stuff and then to have it freely spread over the web or "SOLD" is where the issue lies.

    EDIT: Thinking about this I do still support thre premise of SOPA but I think a federal blocked site list would work better. The sad thing is it only works in the US.

    The FCC can figure out who is going direct by bothering the providers with it. Hey try can get daily reports at the FCC and micromanage the media theft. Because it is really not worth it they can get the media companies to pay a special tax to do it.
    Well, another way to get around all this is a anonymizer. There are lots of them on the net. Nobody can see what is going on when you use them. The traffic is encrypted all the time from the user to the server.

    Think they can shut down the anonymizer, nope. If they shut them down, people in China can't get to facebook and LOTS of other social sites. If facebook lost all those users, facebook would be in court faster than a bolt of lightning.

    I wanted to see how easy it is to setup and use a anonymizer. I used Firefox since it is the most popular. I installed tor, installed the Firefox plugin for it to use tor and in about 10 minutes, I was invisible. From what I have read, if you use a tool like that, they have no idea what the traffic is. There are also other options than tor. There are lots of them.

    I use Linux here and there are lots of ways to do this. All are open source and no hidden code either. Some websites do this too. I found one at http://hidemyass.com/ and it seems to work fine. Encrypted all the way and no record keeping.

    I just don't see the need for any more laws. If they can use current laws to bring down megaupload then they have more than enough. It's just that they have chosen not to because the media had a field day with them going after the wrong people. Plus, we have already found not one but two ways around the new law. Use the IP address and/or a anonymizer. Use both and short of shutting down a website, you can't be stopped.

    What these people need to do is update their business models. They are outdated and I think they know it.

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