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Thread: Chimp Challenge 2012
04-06-12, 10:09 PM #21
I've used Google translate to chat with the TSC! guys in the past. You won't be able to understand a good deal of what they have to say, because they use a lot of terms that Google won't translate well, but they will be able to understand what you translate into Russian, from Google's service.
And I agree, they will want to race, if I know them!
04-07-12, 07:28 AM #22
BOSUN is also a member here. You might want to contact him here as well, Adak. Of course, he has not been active around these forums since January.Fold!..It.does.a.body.good!
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04-07-12, 09:10 AM #23
04-07-12, 11:12 AM #24
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I posted at TSC as well
04-07-12, 11:31 AM #25
Have all the teams from the 2011 CC been contacted with this, now?
04-07-12, 01:18 PM #26
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Ive posted at Custom Bit-tech - but mods are real slow at posting my message (since Im too new)
and I have no PM priveleges yet
so they be the only team not informed yet (I just checked their CC thread -my post is still not up)
These have been informed
TPU (I just posted)
ones that are ?
Custom Bit tech (posted - but waiting)
MPC(but you were doing that one)
That be all nine - correct
Last edited by Xavier Zepherio; 04-07-12 at 01:36 PM.
04-07-12, 04:18 PM #27
I have PM'd their CC captain with the link to the format we're proposing. He has stated in the forum, that their team will not race this year. I have asked him to look it over however, since this format if successful, might well be used in future CC's.
Xavier, please note that anything to be approved for Overclockers.com, will need to be approved by our CC captain, and that hasn't happened yet.
Last edited by Adak; 04-07-12 at 09:52 PM.
04-08-12, 07:24 PM #28
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What if some of the teams want a modified formula for the handicap?
I talked to zodac maybe we can use one and use the contest to test some out simultaneously
it's something we would have to consider
04-08-12, 08:19 PM #29
1) If this format or points formula is unfair or unclear, then say EXACTLY what the problem is. If there's a problem, let's solve it!
There's no problem with analyzing "what if" from any previous or future CC, but there can only be ONE official points formula per CC.
2) For the Handicap bracket, it's very difficult to imagine a more fair or more motivating handicap, than basing it off that teams prior performance, in the CC.
3) For the straight (unlimited) bracket, it seems it couldn't be more fair than straight points, could it?
I know for the Handicap bracket points, I didn't answer every question. I thought the nuances of it should be worked out by the CC team captains. I will be happy to work out the details, if needed. Fair & simple - that's the key principles here.
I believe this format, and these point equations are pretty much like a very round ball. It will be VERY difficult to have the team captains somehow make the ball, "more round", by adding a bit to it, or taking a bit off it.
It's already *round*, imo.
But if they have a concern, post it and let's solve it.
Last edited by Adak; 04-08-12 at 08:28 PM.
04-08-12, 11:00 PM #30
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seems my Bit-tech post still haven't clear Moderation yet
I don't expect much yet.. it's the long weekend and Easter
still haven't got any posts replys yet.
no one has commented other than zodac wanting more detail and to post it on the CC forums
I keep looking on each of the Forums for feedback - nothing
no one posting to the CC forum either
no one has PM'd me
I don't think there is an issue with the Unlimited side
EVGA an OCN would be in a tough slug - EVGA normally can't get a very high % to convert - so I think it could be very close with OCN and their increased output
they notably get more conversion
however we are game - we may even lose and if we do...the credit goes to OCN for the turnout and the PPD increase
we can't win them all...Id rather give it to the team that really stepped up for the year
the handicap side?
well by taking off last years cc points if you produce the same you get zero points
so every team will be basing it off of team production growth
larger teams by mere upgrading will have more points even tho they could have the same growth %
if you just used sum(this year CC PPD/CC last year PPD) you would get 1+ percent growth of the team over last years
or you could use (CC PPD/team last 6 month avg PPD) if you get your team out you get 1pt if you dont you get less than 1Pt per day
this will handle conversion because it's built in with team PPD
anyways this is something we have been having issues with getting a formula - with just us and zodac offering most of them
and why I said the two biggest teams should not be setting the format or formula too much
we need as many eyes and people as we can get who can look at things
this is why the CC forum is failing... no one logs in - no one else offers suggestions
it's like we can't talk to each other or something....
and why its getting late with no agreement
zodac even put up their formula with a deadline then came and went with no response (2 different formats offered - 1 with OCN's formula)
Last edited by Xavier Zepherio; 04-08-12 at 11:54 PM.
04-08-12, 11:18 PM #31
Well, we're doing what we can. Keep the faith, Xaviar!
I am reluctant to provide all the details to the handicap points, because I feel like they won't want to accept details that come from somebody else, who isn't a CC captain. If they want the details provided, I'll be glad to do it, but I'd prefer the CC captains worked them out.
Please, no Trigonometric or functions using Calculus! You can't give that kind of explanation away, along with a free sandwich, to a starving person - and it's not needed.
I've also been scouting around the forums, but have seen nothing that can help us move this forward. It'll happen, but not tonight.
04-10-12, 01:37 PM #32
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I got some word back from TSC...
Bosun and anwjl are CC reps
I will know more in a day or two - however they like the idea of a Chat channel for the capts
coolmasta from bit-tech is gonna look at it - my posts finally got thru
tpu? nothing so far
OCAU is onboard...
and we know HWC is very probable
Im still having troubles with OCN.
04-10-12, 03:35 PM #33
I posted as well on OCN, but their captain hasn't posted back.
Hopefully, things will get moving now that the holiday is behind us.
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04-11-12, 02:54 PM #35
04-11-12, 09:24 PM #36
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seems all we need is OCN,TPU & TSC
Ive tried every thing with TPU...nothing - no response to PM's or posts
TSC will get back to me anwjl and Bosun speak english so - they will rep for their capt
if you need CC data troy8d at EVGA has it
if you want help with a formula - you can also talk to him
I'll check in once and awhile to see when you have a final version
04-12-12, 02:11 AM #37
Please request troy8d post up the data he has from the last CC, here.
I will not be registering at EVGA - their "required" data, is more than I want to post up.
I've made some changes to the recommendations mentioned above:
1) The race would be a team race - no individuals need to change their folding name or passkey. You would race as a team.
2) The Handicap "Basis" would be calculated differently, to accomodate the team race feature.
This is a rough draft, see what you think.
The format would be the same as last year, EXCEPT:
1) This is a team race. Individuals don't need to sign up, or use a different passkey. Every team folder counts in this race.
2) The Handicap (hereafter called the "basis"), is calculated quite differently. Teams that work together in the race, will be given points just like they were one team, all along. All based on their performance of last year.
The following table is JUST a projection, to show how the points format being proposed, works. Nothing personal!! :) It's a fairly standard format handicap race, except: 1) The basis is calculated based on EITHER the team's prior race performance, or their average May 2011 folding totals, for ten days - whichever is higher. and 2) The entire team (and their folding friends), will be racing, not just individuals within the team. Whichever team has the greatest increase in folding, compared to last year, should win the handicap portion of the race! Team CC actual 2011 Basis Projected Projected points Projected race points points total Increase per day, 2012 per day, 2012 ========================================================================================== CbitChimps 43947959 4394795.9 7.9 34718887 79 EVGApes 120279256 12027925.6 7.5 90209442 75 ChimpPwrUp 27266335 2726633.5 6.5 17723118 65 MonkeyBollocks 15149103 1514910.3 6.3 9543935 63 MaxMonkeys 28575342 2857534.2 5.8 16573698 58 Beavers 40660364 4066036.4 5.3 21549993 53 OCNChimpin' 107318736 10731873.6 5.2 55805743 52 T32monkeys 42670316 4267031.6 5.1 21761861 51 TSChimp 45662987 4566298.7 5.1 23288123 51
total team points for May 2011, divided by 10, whichever is higher. This is necessary to accommodate both merging teams, and teams who had a low turnout for the 2011 CC race, but a high number of active team folders.
Please look it over, and let me know if it has an OK points format. Thanks.
Last edited by Adak; 04-12-12 at 06:29 AM.
04-12-12, 12:49 PM #38
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Ive contacted troy - just witing to see if he post or he sends it to me and I do
I finally got hold of someone at TPU - crunching side moderator
Buck Nasty is their capt for the CC
still waiting on a response of some kind
PS: I have no issues with it....looks good...kinda surprised EVGA would be where it is... (we are not complaining...I thought we wind up more in the middle)
Last edited by Xavier Zepherio; 04-12-12 at 02:43 PM.
04-12-12, 02:49 PM #39
The data above is ONLY a projection and has *nothing* to do with how the 2011 rankings would have been, with this format.
04-13-12, 01:09 AM #40
I'm trying to persuade our CC captains to consider this BOOST type of a handicap race. The format proposed above was too much like the last CC, which some teams didn't like, and don't want to repeat anything like it.
In a BOOST type of handicap race, each team is given the same goal of points to reach. At the start of the race, each team is given a unique BOOST (handicap) of points, suited for their team (based on past CC performance). The most productive team, will have zero for a boost.
The goal of the BOOST is to try and get every team to finish the race at the same time, with the same number of points. Which never happens, but it makes for an exciting race, imo. Both big and small teams can do well in this kind of race, perhaps with an edge for the big teams, imo.
Anyway, this is what a spreadsheet of it might look like, with the teams from last years CC, with a handicap BOOST
high limit of the highest points in the 2011 race * 2.
Boost: Equals EVGA * 2 240,558,512 Start >> Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 Day 4 Day 5 Day 6 Day 7 Day 8 Day 9 Finish CbitChimps 152,662,594 161,452,186 170,241,778 179,031,369 187,820,961 196,610,553 205,400,145 214,189,737 222,979,328 231,768,920 240,558,512 EVGApes 0 24,055,851 48,111,702 72,167,554 96,223,405 120,279,256 144,335,107 168,390,958 192,446,810 216,502,661 240,558,512 ChimpPwrUp 186,025,842 191,479,109 196,932,376 202,385,643 207,838,910 213,292,177 218,745,444 224,198,711 229,651,978 235,105,245 240,558,512 MonkeyBollocks 210,260,306 213,290,127 216,319,947 219,349,768 222,379,588 225,409,409 228,439,230 231,469,050 234,498,871 237,528,691 240,558,512 MaxMonkeys 183,407,828 189,122,896 194,837,965 200,553,033 206,268,102 211,983,170 217,698,238 223,413,307 229,128,375 234,843,444 240,558,512 Beavers 159,237,784 167,369,857 175,501,930 183,634,002 191,766,075 199,898,148 208,030,221 216,162,294 224,294,366 232,426,439 240,558,512 OCNChimpin' 25,921,040 47,384,787 68,848,534 90,312,282 111,776,029 133,239,776 154,703,523 176,167,270 197,631,018 219,094,765 240,558,512 T32monkeys 155,217,880 163,751,943 172,286,006 180,820,070 189,354,133 197,888,196 206,422,259 214,956,322 223,490,386 232,024,449 240,558,512 TSChimp 149,232,538 158,365,135 167,497,733 176,630,330 185,762,928 194,895,525 204,028,122 213,160,720 222,293,317 231,425,915 240,558,512
As always, let me know what you think about it, either here, or on the OCN or HWC Chimp Challenge threads.
Last edited by Adak; 04-13-12 at 01:16 AM.