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Does Verizon store a log of your internet browsing history?
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Depends. Are we talking about Verizon home broadband, or Verizon Wireless?
For home broadband, yes, there is at least a basic log by IP of what is accessed when. It's used for those RIAA lawsuits against individuals and when law enforcement needs that information and has a search warrant or whatever.
As for your facebook messaged? That also depends. Are you accessing facebook using SSL? If you are, then no, your ISP isn't (and can't) store your messages as they are encrypted. If you are browsing without SSL, then it is possible that they are storing content but very unlikely.
All of the above holds true for Wireless data, although I wouldn't think that they log as much information or keep it as long. I could be incorrect, though.
For home broadband, yes, there is at least a basic log by IP of what is accessed when. It's used for those RIAA lawsuits against individuals and when law enforcement needs that information and has a search warrant or whatever.
As for your facebook messaged? That also depends. Are you accessing facebook using SSL? If you are, then no, your ISP isn't (and can't) store your messages as they are encrypted. If you are browsing without SSL, then it is possible that they are storing content but very unlikely.
All of the above holds true for Wireless data, although I wouldn't think that they log as much information or keep it as long. I could be incorrect, though.
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Thanks. When might a warrant be issued? I'm not worried about being caught for cybercrime so much as I'm worried about getting caught for some silly thing (unpaid parking ticket, smoking in a no smoking area, etc.) and then being convicted of several other misdemeanor charges because I used facebook to bet more than $2,000 on a sports game or I looked up the maximum penalty for disturbing the peace on google.
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I am not familiar enough with the legal system to answer that question. It also depends on what branch of law enforcement that we are talking about. Your local PD will handle things differently than a state-level entity, while any of those three-letter government folks handle things in a different way as well.
I'd suggest browsing some legal forums to see if your question could be answered. We usually don't go into detailed discussions about topics of this nature.
I'd suggest browsing some legal forums to see if your question could be answered. We usually don't go into detailed discussions about topics of this nature.
If you are truly paranoid about having your connection logged, get a VPN and use that (do your homework on this as there are some which log nothing). As for the actual level of logging that Verizon does, I believe that they only log which IP address they have assigned you.
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is that even ok to discuss here?
anyways back to the OP, i'll tell you one thing, if you didnt want to get caught in the first place, then why post it all on facebook? .... just curious
thats the worst thing you can do. damm kids! i'm not trying to bash you, keep that in mind
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Well, if you do not want to pay the penalty, then do not do the crime. Especially do not take pictures of said rule breaking and then post them in a manner that looks like bragging (facebook, in this example).
As for the internet betting, if you are in the US, it is currently illegal online. If you are outside of the US, then you would have to look up your current country's laws on the matter.
is that even ok to discuss here?
It should be perfectly legal to discuss here. VPNs are used heavily in corporate settings to get onto private networks and secure sensitive communications (read: totally legal). As for the OP's activities, that is very questionable.
Anyways, as others have said, if you don't want to pay the consequences, don't do it in the first place. If you are going on Facebook and bragging about illegal activities then a VPN or any other "anonymizing" setups will do you no good. My suggestion is you just stop the childish illegal stuff and stay under the law so you don't have to worry.
Oh, and any messages you post online on sites like Facebook (yes private messages included) can simply be subpoenaed from that respective site. So any encryption does not make everything magically hidden. But I digress... I have typed way too much on this topic.
Ehhh, Torrents are also legal, but you cannot discuss illegal wares or methods here... the story sounds a bit familiar, especially with the aparent admission that he did something wrong already... I would be surprised if this thread is allowed to proceed personally.
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It should be perfectly legal to discuss here. VPNs are used heavily in corporate settings to get onto private networks and secure sensitive communications (read: totally legal). As for the OP's activities, that is very questionable.
Anyways, as others have said, if you don't want to pay the consequences, don't do it in the first place. If you are going on Facebook and bragging about illegal activities then a VPN or any other "anonymizing" setups will do you no good. My suggestion is you just stop the childish illegal stuff and stay under the law so you don't have to worry.
Oh, and any messages you post online on sites like Facebook (yes private messages included) can simply be subpoenaed from that respective site. So any encryption does not make everything magically hidden. But I digress... I have typed way too much on this topic.
Ive never bragged about illegal activity online. As for the childish illegal stuff, i try not to break the law but i tend to have lapses in judgement.
Thanks for the input guys, sorry if this thread wasnt 100% in line with forum rules
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negative.
you're right about getting the work side (legit side), however, what you present ed to the OP was advice on bypassing a service by the ISP IMO.
i'm not here to start a fight, but really, thats the way i see it, read your first post over and over, you will see it.
its not your fault OP, you had a question, and if it was questionable the Mods would have closed it with the quickness
i'm not here to start a fight, but really, thats the way i see it, read your first post over and over, you will see it.
I still disagree with you here. But, I say we agree to disagree over this topic.
A service of the ISP? IMO them recording your data and using it in ways that you do not like, is not a "service" the ISP is providing. The gray area for me is if he just wants to exercise his right to privacy or us it to commit illegal acts.
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Neither. I just want to know how limited my privacy is, and what can be seen. I have no intent of using the internet for this purpose anymore.
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If you know where to look you can find just about anything online. The Internet forgets almost nothing.
So pretty much don't do unintelligent things and definitely don't post such things online.
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I still disagree with you here. But, I say we agree to disagree over this topic.
lol, we all have our opinions, nobody in their right minds thinks person A is right over person B if they truly believe it
well, the way i look at it is the ISP has a requirement to record or log whatever it needs to for legal reasons (ip addresses, browsing history, illicit acts such as child porn, DOS attacks, and the likes) so yes, i consider it a service of the ISP because they need hardware, software or whatever means to record. just because you don't have "monitoring service" on your bill wont mean its being done internally and rolled into your monthly bill.
and yeah, the gray area is very prominent here, as the op could have been curious as to what the procedure was to how things get investigated, or perhaps these acts were illegal enough to get attention from the local police department, its hard to tell, but then again it all boils down to what you've done.
I was referring the "service" as one for the customer, not law enforcement. If I dare to assume, I would think that they record a lot of your information; but, I have to claim ignorance on how much they are required by law to record and for how long. I just hope from a legal standpoint, that they do not serve it to the police on a silver platter. I know text messages are saved (how long depends on the carrier) and can be given to the law enforcement. This "service" is not given to customers, only law enforcement, at least from what I have seen.
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having worked at a couple ISP's.... one of them as someone with access to practically everything.... your ISP knows everything you do.
It is just up to them as to how much they invest in storage to keep track of your activities as to how much they really store. They know what websites you visited, what proxies or VNC's you are using, and where those are connecting to on the other end.
It is hilarious when a guy who is doing some illegal things online calls in to ask why his service is broken and you get to tell him: "Your TOR client doesn't keep you safe. We know you were trading child porn online and the authorities have been notified. Have a nice day."
It is just up to them as to how much they invest in storage to keep track of your activities as to how much they really store. They know what websites you visited, what proxies or VNC's you are using, and where those are connecting to on the other end.
It is hilarious when a guy who is doing some illegal things online calls in to ask why his service is broken and you get to tell him: "Your TOR client doesn't keep you safe. We know you were trading child porn online and the authorities have been notified. Have a nice day."
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