Worth upgrading a 4870?

I've had my 4870 for nearly 5 years or so, i can say it served me well. Up until today i can play all the games with it. And i did pay 300Euro for it. So i think you might be right, getting a better card now and the rest later.


As for gaming, i don't really play more than 2-3 games. Grim Dawn isn't too heavy, runs very well even with my old 64x2 athlon system (35fps). Aion is heavy and gets stupidly heavier in Siege (500 people on your screen), and yea my 4870 starts having problems in huge siege battles (only there), in any other occasion my fps doesnt go below 40. That's the main reason i wanted an upgrade, maybe a little more graphics power while (if possible) decreasing or maintaining wattage usage.


As for my i7 920, im not too sure if an upgrade is worthy right now. The hasswell cpu's were not much of an upgrade, my friend is playing aion in 4770k and we have similar frame rates (his gpu is a little bit better). He told me that he regrets the upgrade from his older first get 940, he should have waited for the new 2014-15 intel cpu's (his words). So i think my 920 is still ok, for at least another year or 2. Basically i ll wait for ddr4 lol, that's the only worthwhile upgrade imo.

I might have considered a platform upgrade if the i7 920 was starting to show it's age, but for all the applications that i use i still think it's ultra fast. I do some video recording and editing with sony vegas and it doesnt have any problems.


PS: If i get the 270x or the gtx 760 will i have any problems with my PSU? Im using a 550 watt (bronze) corsair PSU. As far as i know my 4870 draws 150 watts at max usage..

You'll be fine with the 550w Corsair PSU. I think your plan is a good one.

I played aion since release til last year. I quit officially last year.

I can assure you the performance difference in aion will be fairly minor for sieges. The engine is terribly optimised. It's best to reduce all spells and effects to yourself only. Shift f12 or whatever the command was to make everyone disappear. Etc Etc. That's the only way you get better frames with aion. Regardless of your machine it WILL lag. Period. Obviously upgrading means it takes longer or requires more people to be around and more going on before it does dip, but it's not something hardware alone can fix.

That said, I still recommend the new gpu as a whole. Will last you a while based on your current use. And yes your current psu will be fine for now.

Asusguy said:

R9 280X and 290x = bottleneck for i7 920 D0? Or it ll be ok?

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You should be just fine with a I7 920 DO.. worst case a mild oc will get you out of a bottleneck.

you would see a much better performance gain with either of those 2 cards, id recommend a 290 over a 290x its alot cheaper and you can find them coming down in price now since the mining scene is crashed.

if your into used I've seen a few 290's in for sale forums for under 400$.

and with all the offloading i expect you will see them around 350$ soon.

gl.

Yall'r weird. Look at the games he plays. An R9 290 / 280 would be a waste.

Darknecron said:

Yall'r weird. Look at the games he plays. An R9 290 / 280 would be a waste.

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Agreed. Unless you've got the cash or you're buying a used 280x, I'd just grab a 270x.

GTX 570 1280MB For 120 Euro. Is it a good deal or not? Second hand i mean.

Performance wise is that card close to a r9 270x?


And another one GIGABYTE RADEON 6970 HD 2GB for 120 euro as well.

What do you guys think?

Nope. Not worth 120 euro second hand.

R9 270X ~ 1.1*HD 7870

HD 7870 > GTX 570

R9 270X > HD 6970

Thanks a lot.

Im trying to choose what's best for me. As you can see i dont play a lot of games and i dont need a very powerful card.

The 2gb asus 7850 brand new costs 130 euro in my country. Compared to my 4870 how much better is it? Would it be a good choice for me? I am trying to fit a true spirit 140 in my budget so i need to buy both. I could also sell my 4870 (for around 50 euro i think, from what i have seen at least).

I really appreciate your help.

Asusguy said:

Thanks a lot.

Im trying to choose what's best for me. As you can see i dont play a lot of games and i dont need a very powerful card.

The 2gb asus 7850 brand new costs 130 euro in my country. Compared to my 4870 how much better is it? Would it be a good choice for me? I am trying to fit a true spirit 140 in my budget so i need to buy both. I could also sell my 4870 (for around 50 euro i think, from what i have seen at least).

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4870 vs 7850
2x to 2.5x upgrade depending on the game.

Also, FYI, an HD 7850 is slightly > an R7 260X.

Asusguy said:

I really appreciate your help.

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My pleasure.

Darknecron said:

4870 vs 7850
2x to 2.5x upgrade depending on the game.




My pleasure.

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I'd sell the 4870 and use the extra cash to pick up a 7870 or R9 270X. JM2C. Better card is better. Nobody can argue with that. 7850 is sort of 'meh' IMO.

Darknecron said:

4870 vs 7850
2x to 2.5x upgrade depending on the game.




My pleasure.

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Thanks again

I found this http://www.hwcompare.com/12187/radeon-hd-7850-vs-radeon-hd-7870/

apparently in some aspects the 2 cards are identical? Is 130 euro good vfm buy? Is there any other card that would cost same as the 7850 but would be a better choice? Say an r7 260x? But from this comparison the 7850 seems to be quite a bit faster http://www.hwcompare.com/15503/radeon-hd-7850-vs-radeon-r7-260x/ ?

I think i ll stick to my original post. A card for under 150euro is what i need.

Theocnoob said:

I'd sell the 4870 and use the extra cash to pick up a 7870 or R9 270X. JM2C. Better card is better. Nobody can argue with that. 7850 is sort of 'meh' IMO.

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The 7850 has one of the highest price to performance ratios seen in GPUs.

Asusguy said:

Thanks again

I found this http://www.hwcompare.com/12187/radeon-hd-7850-vs-radeon-hd-7870/

apparently in some aspects the 2 cards are identical? Is 130 euro good vfm buy? Is there any other card that would cost same as the 7850 but would be a better choice? Say an r7 260x? But from this comparison the 7850 seems to be quite a bit faster http://www.hwcompare.com/15503/radeon-hd-7850-vs-radeon-r7-260x/ ?

I think i ll stick to my original post. A card for under 150euro is what i need.

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HWcompare's numbers will just give you theoretical performance estimates, whereas Anandtech's GPU benches are based of of real measurements.

HD 7850 vs R7 260X

The 7850 is indeed slightly better than the 260X.

Value and performance wise would it be better to grab a 7850 at 130 euro (only one store sells it this cheap,everywhere else it's 150+ euro) or a second hand 570/6970 for 120 euro? Are those 2 used cards better than the 7850?

I know the 6970 is a bit better than a 7850, not sure about the 570 though..

actually it looks like the 7850 and the 6970 trade back and forth when it comes to games and benchmarks..

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1061?vs=1076

Asusguy said:

Value and performance wise would it be better to grab a 7850 at 130 euro (only one store sells it this cheap,everywhere else it's 150+ euro) or a second hand 570/6970 for 120 euro? Are those 2 used cards better than the 7850?

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Do they all have the same amount of vram?

ninjacore said:

Do they all have the same amount of vram?

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6970 second hand = 120 euro 2GB DDR5 (No warranty)

GTX 570 second hand = 120 euro (1280MB) (no warranty)

7850 2GB new = 130 euro (2 or 3 years warranty) here's the link http://www.ebw.gr/el/Product/79658/...2-2GD5-V2-PCI-E-2-CH-D-HDMI-DP-A-471665925102

There also a few more options

ATI Radeon R7 265 Dual-X 2GB DDR5 PCI-E Dual DVI HDMI = 150 euro brand new link http://www.visionstudio.gr/prodinfo.asp?id=38110&cat=5

and lastly gtx 750ti starts at 128 euro and goes up, here is a list of them http://www.skroutz.gr/c/55/kartes-grafikwn-vga.html?keyphrase=gtx+750ti

and lastly r9 270 starting at 151euro http://www.skroutz.gr/c/55/kartes-grafikwn-vga.html?keyphrase=r9+270

So what is my best choice?

I vote for the 750Ti. It trades punches with the 7850, is slightly slower than the used options, but uses 1/3 the power.

Edit: Keep in mind that the any of the options you listed will roughly double your FPS, so 5% difference between most of these GPUs wouldn't be perceived by you due to the gap.

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I vote for the 750Ti. It trades punches with the 7850, is slightly slower than the used options, but uses 1/3 the power.

Edit: Keep in mind that the any of the options you listed will roughly double your FPS, so 5% difference between most of these GPUs wouldn't be perceived by you due to the gap.

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How about the 265 and 270 ? (i edited my post)

Btw is it ok that the 750ti is 128 bit?