AMD Zen Will Compete Favorably with Intel

Evilsizer · May 17, 2016

http://www.custompcreview.com/news/amd-news/amd-claims-zen-will-favorably-compete-intel/29434/

I hope they have been able to bridge the gap alot more and now with their own version of HT. if i can get a dual cpu board + 2 8cores with their version of HT as a low cost, im in!

do i have things right, amd's SMT = intel HT? i thought AMD had smt for a while but when i read things amd equal core count equal thread count so that threw me off. fill me in guys, cause i want to get some rigs in the low cost/PPD for rosetta running. cause as it is im trying to find another old LGA1366 board to put a xeon X5660.

Bluefalcon13 · May 17, 2016

I hope so, but that article is purely marketing. There is not a single hard number there... <puts away rose colored sunglasses for another day>

ATMINSIDE · May 17, 2016

It's funny they say “..We are far closer to Intel than ever before” in the article, considering AMD was the industry leader at one point.

Bluefalcon13 · May 17, 2016

Yeah... in all fairness, that guy is a marketing executive... probably can't make his own power point presentation

ATMINSIDE · May 17, 2016

Bluefalcon13 said:
Yeah... in all fairness, that guy is a marketing executive... probably can't make his own power point presentation

Probably doesn't know what an Athlon 64 is...

Janus67 · May 17, 2016

I read that in an overclock3d post earlier. I don't think anything mentioned exactly close to which intel architecture. If they mean skylake/broadwell-e then here's hoping for them to even the playing field.

petteyg359 · May 17, 2016

Evilsizer said:
do i have things right, amd's SMT = intel HT?

SMP: Symmetric Multi Processing (e.g. multiple cores/sockets on one cpu/board)
SMT: Symmetric Multi Threading (e.g. multiple threads on one core)

"HyperThreading" is just a brand/trademark Intel uses for SMT, like FreeSync is a brand/trademark AMD uses for VESA Adaptive-Sync.

Alaric · May 18, 2016

you always need a number two to keep them honest,”

Geez, guys. Aim a little higher. The "Hertz Syndrome" seems to be institutional now.

mackerel · May 18, 2016

I want to believe, but what we really need is for Zen to be in the wild and not just something to talk about. Same with Polaris.

Having said that... if they match Intel in price, performance, power, there still would need to be a reason to choose AMD over Intel anyway. I note the quote was "compare favorably", not match.

Bluefalcon13 · May 18, 2016

mackerel said:
I want to believe, but what we really need is for Zen to be in the wild and not just something to talk about. Same with Polaris.

Having said that... if they match Intel in price, performance, power, there still would need to be a reason to choose AMD over Intel anyway. I note the quote was "compare favorably", not match.

I honestly would not be surprised if people jumped outta the Intel ship just to see if the grass was greener in this case. With so many years of Intel dominance, AMD may get some converts of people just trying to get away from Intel. I'm personally quite excited to see the Zen based APUs for mobile devices. Sadly, that will be next year IIRC.

DaveB · May 18, 2016

Janus67 said:
I read that in an overclock3d post earlier. I don't think anything mentioned exactly close to which intel architecture. If they mean skylake/broadwell-e then here's hoping for them to even the playing field.

They were comparing Zen to Haswell originally, not Skylake or Broadwell-E.

Janus67 · May 18, 2016

DaveB said:
They were comparing Zen to Haswell originally, not Skylake or Broadwell-E.

That's what I had thought too. Unfortunately if that's the case by the time Zen comes out they will be 2 generations behind on Intel CPUs.

Dolk · May 18, 2016

My 2c, I hope AMD goes after Haswell rather than Skylake. I've only seen an increase in AVX and FP when looking at Haswell and Skylake. I like to think that AMD moved away from trying to multi-thread everything to, multi-thread what you can but single-thread is the king in speed. Which is Intel's logic for most of their CPUs.

cdawall · May 18, 2016

Dolk said:
My 2c, I hope AMD goes after Haswell rather than Skylake. I've only seen an increase in AVX and FP when looking at Haswell and Skylake. I like to think that AMD moved away from trying to multi-thread everything to, multi-thread what you can but single-thread is the king in speed. Which is Intel's logic for most of their CPUs.

That and a massive multi-threading increase.

Dolk · May 18, 2016

Desktop grade x86 CPUs do not need to have a high capability to handle multi-threading. If you need something on that level, start looking into GPGPU, PHi, Xeons/Opterons, FPGAs, etc. The x86 ISA was never created to handle mutli-threading and has only been shifted to do so. Its basically asking an orange to turn into a grapefruit. Yeah you get Blood Oranges but you don't get a grapefruit.

EarthDog · May 18, 2016

Desktop grade x86 CPUs do not need to have a high capability to handle multi-threading.

Depends on the usage model/user... There are plenty of people that can use a shed load of cores. Certainly, a quad is plenty for most, but, there are plenty of users that utilize all the cores. Content creation, sim crunching, etc to name two.

cdawall · May 18, 2016

Dolk said:
Desktop grade x86 CPUs do not need to have a high capability to handle multi-threading. If you need something on that level, start looking into GPGPU, PHi, Xeons/Opterons, FPGAs, etc. The x86 ISA was never created to handle mutli-threading and has only been shifted to do so. Its basically asking an orange to turn into a grapefruit. Yeah you get Blood Oranges but you don't get a grapefruit.

While this is correct it is still a big step on intel's side for them to finally upgrade the chips to actually scale in multithreading. The skylake stuff is the first batch to actually keep up with the older AMD parts

Dolk · May 18, 2016

@ed
Yes those that work in feilds that require a beefier core to run mutli-threading are advised to buy or create a chip that can do the multi-tasking for them. Creators utilize GPGPUs or GPUs to render. Verification Engineers use Xeon CPUs. Simulators will use what ever they get their hands on.

I'll tell all of you guys right now, all the companies working in the x86 core world are moving away from the one size fit all architecture. They market is fragmenting too much with the end of the cell phone race and the beginning of the IOT race. In the next 5 years, we will see specilized cores for applications rather than an Intel x86 CPU in all products. Why do you think Intel cut ties with their mobile CPU division? Its so that they can make room for the future. ARM became the king in mobile, so instead of fighting Intel will adopt and change their gears.

AMD is doing the same thing, but maybe a bit slower. Who knows, their doors are shut tighter than usual and even direct contacts are not giving me anything.

cdawall · May 18, 2016

I think you will see some massive fragmenting, but x86-64 wont be going anywhere anytime soon. I am however curious what custom chips AMD@china will be using.

EarthDog · May 18, 2016

That is any multi-threaded CPU though. Either from Intel's HEDT platform, their Xeon platform, or whatever AMD has (Opteron still?) or even their FX. Unless I am missing your point, people, at this time, need to buy specialty chips to do anything?

AMD Zen Will Compete Favorably with Intel

Senior Forum Spammer

Member

Sim Racing Aficionado Co-Owner

Member

Sim Racing Aficionado Co-Owner

Benching Team Leader

Likes Popcorn

New Member

Member

Member

Senior Member

Benching Team Leader

I once overclocked an Intel

Member

I once overclocked an Intel

Gulper Nozzle Co-Owner

Member

I once overclocked an Intel

Member

Gulper Nozzle Co-Owner

Similar threads